Horrible cold hand commute with 2 gloves?

BMKN

After the last few days of cold I bought neoprene gloves thinking these will help with rain and cold. They dont they suck, I had two mornings of numb hands nearly crying from the pain. I get cold hands from anything below 6 degrees while wearing gloves. This morning I tried wearing to sets of gloves, they were better but my finger tips were numb. I am asking for advice on wind chill gloves and sub zero gloves. At this point I am willing to fork out €100 budget for them.

Wishbone Ash

Try using very thin glove liners under normal gloves or, if you are not going to be out for hours, a pair of surgical examination gloves under normal gloves.

Tenzor07

I find these good up to freezing or -1: Thermolites

After that I would use these: Strike

Plastik

I've had the Endura Thermolites before personally I found them way too light to handle anything below about 5/6deg. That said, for an autumn/spring glove I used them a lot. Wouldn't buy again though, I found the cuff too short. My favourite cold weather gloves remain Prendas AirTunnel.

Lumen

I use cheap thick fleece (Berghaus or something) gloves over a set of thin Prendas Super Roubaix.

Neoprene are useless for really cold weather.

GreeBo

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Try using very thin glove liners under normal gloves or, if you are not going to be out for hours, a pair of surgical examination gloves under normal gloves.

Surgical gloves wont do anything for heat, you would be better off wearing them outside of normal gloves as they will help with wind resistance.

OP layers are your best bet, thin liners and then something water and wind proof.
Have you tried ski gloves?

Planet X

Large size PrimaLoft actual Ski Mitts and Merino fingered inner gloves. No probs.

Tenzor07

+1 on Merino wool glove liners

Planet X

Correct me if I'm wrong but Neoprene is for waterproofing. No thermal properties.
Go for wool. With a windproof outer.

nak

GreeBo wrote: »

Surgical gloves wont do anything for heat, you would be better off wearing them outside of normal gloves as they will help with wind resistance. QUOTE]

They make your hands horribly sweaty; have to wear nitrile gloves at work and hate them, wouldn't dream of wearing them on the bike.

+1 on the layers - merino liners work well for me too.

Peterx

It's all about the air gap. If your hands are tight in the gloves your fingers will get cold.
Make sure the gloves are a loose fit. And windproof. After that most gloves work. Those cheap oversized fleece gloves are brilliant on a dry day and they are not even windproof, just oversized.

I'm a big believer in the air gap. Same with shoes, I only ever wear one pair of sox and a pair of overshoes with the shoes and find it works great as long as your toes are not squashed into the toebox.

arybvtcw0eolkf

My daughter is a chef, she uses heat resistant gloves (they're really think like glove liners).. I've tried these the last while (under my gloves) and have found them great, they only cost a few Euro's in the likes of Dunnes and Tescos.

lennymc

motorbike gloves. you wont beat them. designed for all weathers, and designed to take wind chill into account. I have winter cycling gloves, ski gloves and motorbike gloves and the motorbike gloves win hands down when it's really cold

arybvtcw0eolkf

lennymc wrote: »

motorbike gloves. you wont beat them. designed for all weathers, and designed to take wind chill into account. I have winter cycling gloves, ski gloves and motorbike gloves and the motorbike gloves win hands down when it's really cold

I have heated grips on my motorbike

lennymc

Ramona Juicy Hanger wrote: »

I have heated grips on my motorbike

I keep meaning to get heated grips on my motorbike!

montac

Hi there
I have used 2 different Sealskinz gloves for winter cycling over the last few years and I have found them great.

For cold weather I use Ultra Grips:
http://www.sealskinz.com/UK/gloves/ultra-grip-gloves-black

For really really cold weather, I bought their Extreme Cold Weather gloves (well, a previous version of them), and found them great, even in sub-zero cycling:
http://www.sealskinz.com/UK/gloves/extreme-cold-weather-gloves

The Great Outdoors usually stock some Sealskinz if you want to try them.

Ken1975

BMKN wrote: »

After the last few days of cold I bought neoprene gloves thinking these will help with rain and cold. They dont they suck, I had two mornings of numb hands nearly crying from the pain. I get cold hands from anything below 6 degrees while wearing gloves. This morning I tried wearing to sets of gloves, they were better but my finger tips were numb. I am asking for advice on wind chill gloves and sub zero gloves. At this point I am willing to fork out €100 budget for them.

Get these, you wont regret it http://www.evanscycles.com/products/sealskinz/winter-cycle-gloves-ec030436 (they only have SMALL left on Evans but you can get them from a few places.)

I have suffered with cold hands in the same temp range as you. Windproof gloves will work as far as 6-7degrees , below that my hands are cold and dont heat up.

These SealSkinz are savage. the windproof/waterproof membrane really does work. Ive use these gloves in the p*ssings of rain for 4 hours and my hands and fingers stay dry. You can wring the glvoes out durin ghte ride and hands are still dry.

On the down side you do get a little sweaty if its about 5-7degrees but i'll live with that.

ted1

Planet X wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but Neoprene is for waterproofing. No thermal properties.
Go for wool. With a windproof outer.

Neoprene isn't waterproof.

ted1

GreeBo wrote: »

Surgical gloves wont do anything for heat, you would be better off wearing them outside of normal gloves as they will help with wind resistance.

OP layers are your best bet, thin liners and then something water and wind proof.
Have you tried ski gloves?

Surgical gloves are good for keeping wind chill off your hands and stops water penetrating to your skin

Planet X

ted1 wrote: »

Neoprene isn't waterproof.

Fair enough.

Neoprene is in fact waterproof. It's a type of synthetic rubber. It's waterproof because water molecules are too big to pass through gaps in between polymer strands. Also, because there's no hydrogen bonding between the water added upon neoprene, and neoprene has no hydrogen from water to bond with the added water.
Source:

Newton BBS: Waterproof Neoprene

07Lapierre

ted1 wrote: »

Neoprene isn't waterproof.

I find wool gloves under neoprene gloves great on days like today (Cold but Dry)

But if there is the slightest chance that it might rain, I wouldn't wear them.. once they get wet, your hands will freeze solid! :mad:

mondeo

I got a big pair of mittens, Eskimo style... I feel no chill on my hands! I've pedaled the hills in the darkness at -5 and lower and still have my finger tips.

MB Lacey

mondeo wrote: »

I got a big pair of mittens, Eskimo style... I feel no chill on my hands! I've pedaled the hills in the darkness at -5 and lower and still have my finger tips.

Mittens are supposed to be the way to go, the fact that your fingers are together in one space rather than separated allows them to generate more heat (in theory).

I have these Specialised Sub Zero lobster claws, they come with inner gloves, they kept my hands warm in -15°

Idleater

lennymc wrote: »

I keep meaning to get heated grips on my motorbike!

Muffs?

:pac:

Pinch Flat

For really cold days, trekmates gore wind-stopper gloves with my own merino linings. I have been out in these for hours in freezing temperatures and no issues. Rain protection is okay - you'll get damp but hands don't get cold

http://m.blacks.co.uk/mens/042856-trekmates-mens-classic-windstopper-gloves-black.html

pprendeville

Today was my first morning of really cold commuting with the Garmin reading -3deg after Trim. Have been using the Assos rain gloves (neoprene) up to now and they're fine for me in anything above 2deg but once the temp goes below this it's like the cold increases exponentially.

On some mornings I'll stop once, remove the gloves and put them back on after heating up my hands and they remain warm or at least not numb for the rest of the ride. Today I stopped about 7 times and tried wearing wind proof liners underneath, no effect, then surgical latex gloves underneath, also no effect. So I grinned and beared it for the last 15km. Went into Cycleways and picked up a pair of Specialized Element 2.0 hope to God they work. Nothing worse on the bike than numb hands.

Where to get Merino liners?

martyc5674

MB Lacey wrote: »

Mittens are supposed to be the way to go, the fact that your fingers are together in one space rather than separated allows them to generate more heat (in theory).

The mitten has less surface area in contact with the cold air than a glove...thats essentially the difference

Lumen

ted1 wrote: »

Neoprene isn't waterproof.

Open-cell neoprene isn't waterproof. Closed-cell neoprene is.

Alek

For really, really, REALLY cold days - bike pogies:

http://www.bikeforums.net/winter-cycling/606952-woohoo-got-my-pogies.html

Really. People have cycled to Nordkapp in winter in these.

Craig06

I have castelli winter gloves for the last 2 years and never been cold. Was even out in negative temperatures. I crashed with them on, put my hand down and they are still ok.

GreeBo

ted1 wrote: »

Surgical gloves are good for keeping wind chill off your hands and stops water penetrating to your skin

They dont really though.
Just keeping the wind off your hands wont do anything to keep you warm, you need to wear them as the outer most layer to keep the wind off and allow whatever gloves you have underneath to keep you warm via insulation.
There is no insulation in surgical gloves and thus they will not keep you warm.

Cold water against the surgical gloves which are against you skin will also freeze your hands, again you need to keep the cold away from your hands via insulation.

Lumen

GreeBo wrote: »

They dont really though.
Just keeping the wind off your hands wont do anything to keep you warm, you need to wear them as the outer most layer to keep the wind off and allow whatever gloves you have underneath to keep you warm via insulation.
There is no insulation in surgical gloves and thus they will not keep you warm.

Cold water against the surgical gloves which are against you skin will also freeze your hands, again you need to keep the cold away from your hands via insulation.

Have you actually tried surgical gloves as a liner or is this all just theory?

I haven't, but I found a couple of reports on t'web that suggests they work.

GreeBo

Lumen wrote: »

Have you actually tried surgical gloves as a liner or is this all just theory?

I haven't, but I found a couple of reports on t'web that suggests they work.

Its science tbh.

You will end up with clamy, cold hands.

Try this, put one hand with just surgical gloves and the other with surgival gloves over normal gloves
Stick an ice cube on both palms and see which melts first and/or which feels cold to your hand.

If latex had magical insulating properties then we would be seeing it everywhere, it doesnt as it has no means of insulating from cold.

eeeee

Ski gloves work for me. They're lined and quite waterproof. After numerous glove losings, I now use the Aldi ones, They're brilliant. I get really cold hands going day to day. If it gets super chilly I throw the ski gloves over a pair of leather gloves. I use lined regular leather gloves day to day until it gets really cold (like today). Only use dark ones though, paler ones get irrevocably stained. They are in Tiger for €7 currently.

Lumen

GreeBo wrote: »

Its science tbh.

I'll take that as a 'no' then. :pac:

ROK ON

http://www.rapha.cc/eu/en/shop/winter-gloves/product/WTG04

Rapha winter gloves.
Best glove investment ever.
Bought four years back during the snow.
I get really cold fingers and these work brilliantly. Good fit and not bulky. You can still feel brake hoods and shifters. I couldn't recommend them more.

These are not the deep winter ones - no idea as to what they are like.

clod71

I've 2 pairs of LIDL (or are they ALDI) thick gloves. They were out today on a cold Cork morning.
If weather forecast looks changeable I use Neoprene gloves over a pair of woolen DeFeet... and I can take them off if it's too hot

GreeBo

Lumen wrote: »

I'll take that as a 'no' then. :pac:

I don't try things that can't work, in my house we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

UDP

Bought these from wiggle:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-long-finger-windproof-cycling-gloves/

Have used them at 0c so far without issue (dry weather). Also used them in fairly heavy rain and they lasted about 30 minutes. The problem in the rain was the water was running down my jacket towards the gloves until eventually they gave in. Seem perfectly fine for 30-40 minute commutes not sure about longer rides on the rain. I'd say they are fine up to a few degrees below zero in dry weather.

Lumen

GreeBo wrote: »

I don't try things that can't work, in my house we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

Spurred on by your theoretical bullishness, I pulled out a pair of largeish latex medical gloves and did some experiments on the (cold, dry) commute this morning.

I tried three permutations: latex under gloves, latex over gloves, and no latex as a control.

Surprisingly they do make a difference. They make the cold even worse. This is probably because they reduce the amount of trapped air.

I think they might be useful as an over glove in slightly warmer wet conditions (maybe 8-12C), and they stash very easily so I've not totally given up on them.

gctest50

shields maybe ?

http://www.breezeblockers.com/buy.php?f=hands

lennymc

Lumen wrote: »

latex under gloves, latex over gloves, and no latex as a control.

lumen has three hands.

Seweryn

lennymc wrote: »

lumen has three hands.

And I would like to know what the control one is used for .

It must be handy .

Carawaystick

Clenching and relaxing the fingers increases the bloodflow and keeps fingers warmer, than a constant grip

BMKN

Thanks for all your replies. Ive went and bought a pair of heated ski gloves for €40 hopefully these will work well. Ive gone with advice of large sized gloves to avoid being to fitted and stopping circulation. Thanks ill update when I test them out

pprendeville

Did anyone ride on Sunday in the wind and rain/snow and still finish their ride with warm hands (maybe wet but at least warm)? If so, what gloves were you wearing?

Pigeon Reaper

pprendeville wrote: »

Did anyone ride on Sunday in the wind and rain/snow and still finish their ride with warm hands (maybe wet but at least warm)? If so, what gloves were you wearing?

I'm using Aldi's winter cycling mittens. Sweaty in anything over 3 degrees but when it's cold and wet they're great. On Sunday my hands where warm.

pprendeville

must have a look and see if there's any left.

flatface

any links for decently priced glove liners, merino or otherwise?

Wishbone Ash

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

.. a pair of surgical examination gloves under normal gloves.

GreeBo wrote: »

Surgical gloves wont do anything for heat, you would be better off wearing them outside of normal gloves as they will help with wind resistance...

GreeBo wrote: »

They dont really though.
Just keeping the wind off your hands wont do anything to keep you warm, you need to wear them as the outer most layer to keep the wind off and allow whatever gloves you have underneath to keep you warm via insulation.
There is no insulation in surgical gloves and thus they will not keep you warm.

Cold water against the surgical gloves which are against you skin will also freeze your hands, again you need to keep the cold away from your hands via insulation.

Lumen wrote: »

Spurred on by your theoretical bullishness, I pulled out a pair of largeish latex medical gloves and did some experiments on the (cold, dry) commute this morning.

I tried three permutations: latex under gloves, latex over gloves, and no latex as a control.

Surprisingly they do make a difference. They make the cold even worse. This is probably because they reduce the amount of trapped air.

I think they might be useful as an over glove in slightly warmer wet conditions (maybe 8-12C), and they stash very easily so I've not totally given up on them.

Surgical gloves always work for me. I used them as recent as yesterday when my gloves were soaked through from snow, hail and sleet. It doesn't interest me if science/laws of thermodynamics etc. say otherwise - it works for me and I'll continue to carry them in the jersey pocket. (Also handy for mechanicals).

simonw

I had a nice pair of "winter" neoprene cycling gloves that I used through November and December, some evenings I couldn't put the key in the door when I got home because my hands were so cold. Got a pair of thinsulate ski gloves in lidl for 6.99 on the way home one night, best impulse purchase ever. Waterproof, wind proof, and go up the wrist a little so you don't get the wind blowing up your sleeves either - just the job