falsely claiming the sick

ricero

A friend of mine recently told me about how one of his uncles has been falsely claiming the sick benefits for the past 10 years. He had an accident a decade ago but is fine now but yet still claiming pretending he has a deformity.

Why is the government not doing more to counter act such fraud ? What are the current methods they use to investigate false claims ?

burstbuckle

Why don't you report said person?

rob316

FFS another social welfare thread.

Karl Stein

How can a person pretend to have a deformity?

Is he pretending to be profoundly cross-eyed or something?

ricero

burstbuckle wrote: »

Why don't you report said person?

Not my style. Surely the government should be doing more to counter act such fraud by getting the person medically examined

Tokyo

ricero wrote: »

Why is the government not doing more to counter act such fraud ? What are the current methods they use to investigate false claims ?

They actively monitor 'After Hours' as their primary source of information. Or, you could just phone them up and report him for welfare fraud....

Timberrrrrrrr

ricero wrote: »

A friend of mine recently told me about how one of his uncles has been falsely claiming the sick benefits for the past 10 years. He had an accident a decade ago but is fine now but yet still claiming pretending he has a deformity.

Why is the government not doing more to counter act such fraud ? What are the current methods they use to investigate false claims ?

Will you be reporting this to the relevant authorities?

Lau2976

ricero wrote: »

Why is the government not doing more to counter act such fraud ? What are the current methods they use to investigate false claims ?

How can anybody do anything when the people that know don't report it?

Timberrrrrrrr

ricero wrote: »

Not my style. Surely the government should be doing more to counter act such fraud by getting the person medically examined

Oh so everybody else should do something about it but it's not your place to report a crime? :rolleyes:

Tokyo

ricero wrote: »

Not my style. Surely the government should be doing more to counter act such fraud by getting the person medically examined

Reporting the fraud itself - not your 'style'

Complaining online for days straight that it's terrible and the government need to do something about this - not a problem.

racso1975

ricero wrote: »

Not my style. Surely the government should be doing more to counter act such fraud by getting the person medically examined

Not your style.....but you will come on here and moan about why the government wont do more!!!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: (YEAH 3 ROLLIE EYES)

Cannot wait till the xmas bonus is paid ah meltdown

ricero

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Oh so everybody else should do something about it but it's not your place to report a crime? :rolleyes:

I never said I wanted someone to report the person I'm just highlighting the fact that the government should have other ways of discovering false claims themselves rather then waiting for people to pick up the phone.

BoJack Horseman

Ireland has the most disabled adult population in the world.

Fact*


(*May not be a fact..... but is close).

Timberrrrrrrr

ricero wrote: »

I never said I wanted someone to report the person I'm just highlighting the fact that the government should have other ways of discovering false claims themselves rather then waiting for people to pick up the phone.

Like?

ricero

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Like?

Investigators perhaps or medically examing the person frequently.

Lau2976

ricero wrote: »

Investigators perhaps or medically examing the person frequently.

So guilty until proven innocent?

0byme75341jo28

ricero wrote: »

Investigators perhaps or medically examing the person frequently.

This happens, it's entirely possible that your friend's uncle has been through this process already and the Department have decided he's fully entitled to his payment.

Why anyone would go around telling their friends about their relatives' social welfare payments is beyond me..

BoJack Horseman

There are periodical assessments folks.

They aren't the most rigerous though.

gandalf

ricero wrote: »

Not my style. Surely the government should be doing more to counter act such fraud by getting the person medically examined

No point whinging about it if you are not prepared to take action yourself.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/state-crackdown-social-welfare-fraud-3397563

Some serious monies have already been saved.

The State saved €632million last year following a crackdown on social welfare fraud, a new report revealed.

The Department of Social Protection report for 2013 showed huge success in highlighting fraud and taking cases against scammers.

Social Protection Minister Joan Burton revealed that 674 cases were taken against fraudsters last year following more than 25,000 tip offs from the public.

Initiatives like facial imaging in welfare offices has seen the State claw back a whopping €632million in benefits.

Ms Burton’s department carried out more than one million reviews of welfare payments last year.

ricero

Lau2976 wrote: »

So guilty until proven innocent?

The said person claims his arm is deformed so can't work even after having surgery and therapy. Surley if they were to investigate and inspect this persons day to day activity's they could see if said person is lieing or not

Timberrrrrrrr

ricero wrote: »

Investigators perhaps or medically examing the person frequently.

Which they do but they can hardly do that for e everyone, why won't you report this crime?

Timberrrrrrrr

ricero wrote: »

The said person claims his arm is deformed so can't work even after having surgery and therapy. Surley if they were to investigate and inspect this persons day to day activity's they could see if said person is lieing or not

Why would they investigate? How many investigators should they hire and how long should they follow EVERYONE claiming the sick/dole for?

Lau2976

ricero wrote: »

The said person claims his arm is deformed so can't work even after having surgery and therapy. Surley if they were to investigate and inspect this persons day to day activity's they could see if said person is lieing or not

But investigating everybody would mean that your constantly guilty until they tell you your not. They could however investigate the accused, if people reported them

jamesbere

Well whatever you do don't report it, because that would make sense and that's a silly thing to do.

Mr Freeze

burstbuckle wrote: »

Why don't you report said person?

ricero wrote: »

Not my style. Surely the government should be doing more to counter act such fraud by getting the person medically examined

You can't complain if you don't report him!

Moneymaker

OP, your attitude is exactly why the system is so open to the rampant abuse it gets.

Report it. FFS.

AnonoBoy

ricero wrote: »

Not my style. Surely the government should be doing more to counter act such fraud by getting the person medically examined

So you want the government to sort it out and you think it should be sorted out but you won't do anything to help them sort it out?

If a house on your street was burning down would you be on here asking why the government aren't doing more to help the fire brigade stop houses burning down?

Littlekittylou

ricero wrote: »

Not my style. Surely the government should be doing more to counter act such fraud by getting the person medically examined

They do. Surely???? Surely they do???

elefant

ricero wrote: »

The said person claims his arm is deformed so can't work even after having surgery and therapy. Surley if they were to investigate and inspect this persons day to day activity's they could see if said person is lieing or not

Imagine the uproar if the government started monitoring everyone receiving welfare's day-to-day activities. :pac: I'm sure plenty of people on welfare feel bad enough about it already without being constantly under investigation.
And that's to say nothing of the logistical and financial ridiculousness of the idea.

The delusion.

0byme75341jo28

Littlekittylou wrote: »

They do. Surely???? Surely they do???

They do.

ricero

Littlekittylou wrote: »

They do. Surely???? Surely they do???

Once in 10 years since the accident he got examined. It lasted 5 minutes.

Report him OP or PM his name to someone on here who will.

gandalf

ricero wrote: »

Once in 10 years since the accident he got examined. It lasted 5 minutes.

Does that automatically mean you can't pick up the phone to report him?

You can even do it online.

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/ReportFraud.aspx

cletus van damme

I believe ( based on my experience) that the op is lying or being lied too.

My missus was on the sick and after 9 months was called for an interview.
The building was opposite Pearce street garda station in Dublin.
20 questions if you will. most of which weren't relevant to her illness.
She got a letter 2 weeks later saying they were terminating her benefit and she could apply for the dole or appeal.
despite letters from relevant doctors saying g she had x and y.
whereas this interviewer never introduced themselves or stated their qualifications.

If she appealed she would get no benefit till the appeal was successful (if it was).
In our case short term she needed to live so it was the dole and eventually booted off that despite still having X and y.

Given my experience I doubt the chap is faking it as they have been ruthless since the economic collapse.

biko

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Lau2976

ricero wrote: »

Once in 10 years since the accident he got examined. It lasted 5 minutes.

Are you close enough to this guy to know this though? Until he tells you, or you've seen proof it's all hear-say. Hear-say should be reported if your worried, your not the judge and jury, they are. Report and be done with it. :cool:

McGrath5

Welcome to the hourly dole bashing thread.

Op why don't you simply report this person and stop crying about it online, its obviously causing you some serious bother.

_Whimsical_

ricero wrote: »

The said person claims his arm is deformed so can't work even after having surgery and therapy. Surley if they were to investigate and inspect this persons day to day activity's they could see if said person is lieing or not

You can't claim your arm is deformed if is not. Presumably he has been examined and run through pretty rigorous tests to assess his range of motion and strength in the limb. If he has a serious issue in these regards his ability to work might be seriously compromised. He might have learned to adapt to his disability so that other people no longer notice it in his daily life but he might well notice it himself and just not regularly complain.
The situation may be very different to your understanding of it.

elefant

biko wrote: »

Welcome to today's


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kowloon

You could be a quadruple amputee and they would still need your GP to officially confirm it and fill in the correct forms.

looking_around

I don't know why we have an illness benefit for longer than a year.

disability benefit is supposed to be for any illness or disability thats expected to last 1 year or more...

seems redundant. (illness benefit allows people to get double the benefit when doing a course, though they require permission...idk..seems a bit ..of a waste.)

also, isnt illness benefit supposed to require frequent medical checks?

why would anyone want to be on it for more than a year? switch to disability and get a bus pass and less hassle.