Bressie's Teenage Kicks

Cityslicker1

Has anyone seen the ads on TV for the new series Bressie's teenage kicks based around kids to come together to express themselves through music in disadvantaged communities around the city, what do ye think?

Silentcorner

They could have done a series on the over 120 Made In Limerick LCOC events this year, from all parts of the city,...but I guess RTE had no interest in that.

Poxyshamrock

Talented teenagers aren't confined to certain parts of Limerick. :rolleyes:

That's all I'll say!

thesimpsons

only ad I saw had a horse and trap running down the street with the voice over saying "this is limerick city centre " !!!!!!!! made it sound like it was O'Connell Street !

bigpink

More Moyross,Southill or Weston stuff i take it

Cityslicker1

thesimpsons wrote: »

only ad I saw had a horse and trap running down the street with the voice over saying "this is limerick city centre " !!!!!!!! made it sound like it was O'Connell Street !

Ya it starts off with 'this is the heart of Limerick city' with an image of a sign saying Moyross. Ah no it's not..most of those areas are at the edge of the city nowhere near the centre of Limerick like as if you could just happen to stumble in there but I suppose people who have never set foot in Limerick will believe it and avoid the place like the plague.

Whatsgonewrong

This really annoys me, why do scumbag teenagers get so much help when,
1. They don't deserve it.
2. They don't appreciate it and,
3. They're not talented.

And I'm in a so called advantaged area and can't get any work nor would I get any government help.

sleepyman

Cityslicker1 wrote: »

Ya it starts off with 'this is the heart of Limerick city' with an image of a sign saying Moyross. Ah no it's not..most of those areas are at the edge of the city nowhere near the centre of Limerick like as if you could just happen to stumble in there but I suppose people who have never set foot in Limerick will believe it and avoid the place like the plague.

It just perpetuates the myth that Limerick is one big council estate.This is what people see & it just reinforces the negative stereotype of the city.There's people in the likes of Dublin & Kilkenny who think there's no middle class areas in the city just the likes of Moyross,Southill etc

Xennon

Sure wasnt Dublin in the 80s just Tallaght and Ballymun?

seachto7

Silentcorner wrote: »

They could have done a series on the over 120 Made In Limerick LCOC events this year, from all parts of the city,...but I guess RTE had no interest in that.

The rest of Ireland probably don't either.

Bit of a cliched programme though, teenage kids, etc etc etc, moyross, etc etc etc, yawn

kerrylad1

Whatsgonewrong wrote: »

This really annoys me, why do scumbag teenagers get so much help when,
1. They don't deserve it.
2. They don't appreciate it and,
3. They're not talented.

And I'm in a so called advantaged area and can't get any work nor would I get any government help.

Are you simon cowell,how do you know that they don't deserve,appreciate or are talented enough.Do you know these kids on a personal level?I assume you don't since you live in a (advantaged) area,even though you say ur unemployed.And ur comment about them being scumbags just begger's believe,If someone from Dublin posted some of the comments in here,the tread would be in meltdown.

bigpink

Moyross has great people but it has serious problems too im sure but there is always a media postive spin story put on or done.How long and much money has and will be spnd on Moyross

Moyross prob hassome of the best facilties and funding in the country

Whatsgonewrong

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Are you simon cowell,how do you know that they don't deserve,appreciate or are talented enough.Do you know these kids on a personal level?I assume you don't since you live in a (advantaged) area,even though you say ur unemployed.And ur comment about them being scumbags just begger's believe,If someone from Dublin posted some of the comments in here,the tread would be in meltdown.

I live so close to that ****e area and even some of the people in the advert I know, they all hang around the local shop asking people to buy them cans etc. Funny how most of them I know for a fact they will have some **** life because they think its cool to be all smoking and drinking at like 14. I honestly think the place should be bombed, just an area filled with sewer rats

kerrylad1

Whatsgonewrong wrote: »

I live so close to that ****e area and even some of the people in the advert I know, they all hang around the local shop asking people to buy them cans etc. Funny how most of them I know for a fact they will have some **** life because they think its cool to be all smoking and drinking at like 14. I honestly think the place should be bombed, just an area filled with sewer rats

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Mc Love

Another attempt by our fee paying television broadcaster to look down their noses at the people from Limerick! Sickens me to be honest!

Cityslicker1

Did anyone watch it tonight?What are your views?

Silentcorner

Cityslicker1 wrote: »

Did anyone watch it tonight?What are your views?

Was it about music or horses?

It was not as bad as I thought it could be, but I'll give RTE their dues, they are getting very creative about how they get our more infamous estates on National TV.

Puibo

Bressie is one of the biggest twits around.

clappyhappy

I watched it and can almost say I enjoyed it. I'm from west limerick and can honestly say I have never been in moyross, south hill or “d'iland", but I have some idea where they are all in the city. Anyone watching that has no idea of limerick would think they were side by side on the same estate.

I think the idea is good, but would hate to think these kids are getting their hopes up to be multi selling artists. It could do more damage than good if they don't succeed.

Will be interesting to see how the ex girlfriend will react to being dropped as a result of the break up!!!!

Whatsgonewrong

Lol I knew it, state of all of them, filthy tracksuits and not an ounce of talent between them. There is proper talent in limerick but jesus what was that about. 'man i need this rap thing or i,ll end up in jail' 'if i dont do rap i do drugs' hahahaha wtf? I dont rap and i dont do drugs. Come on give up on this showing limerick in a positive vibe, the smart people among us will know this was a joke

um7y1h83ge06nx

I saw it on my guide and deliberately avoided it, couldn't be watching that crap.

whatdoicare

Avoided watching it, saw the advert, saw no mention about anywhere in Limerick other than certain estates - Des Bishop already did this ****e, it was crap then and I don't expect Bressie to do any better.

The one and only program that actually showed Limerick for how wonderful it could actually be was "three men in a boat" with Dara O' Briain, Rory McGrath and Griff Rhys Jones. Fantastic series!

Cartman78

Yaaawwnn....this has been done to death.

Will be avoiding this like the plague...the trailer is the usual tabloid shoite image of Limerick - scobes hanging around, scobes having the craic, scobes shouting and scobes riding horses with wild abandon.

Just for a change, would love to see an RTE programme that didn't feature scobes hanging around, scobes having the craic, scobes shouting and scobes riding horses with wild abandon..."Darina Allen cooks in Castletroy", "Neil Delamere: Dooradoyle - A Personal Journey", "George Hook Rucks up in Thomond" etc

....it would still probably be a pile of crap but at least it wouldn't be all about scobes hanging around, scobes having the craic, scobes shouting and scobes riding horses with wild abandon :mad:

eternal

I thought it was alright. It was funny though, the guy who broke up with his girlfriend, his ear was going green from the earring and I mean bright green. Please tell me someone saw this?

Silentcorner

Cartman78 wrote: »

Yaaawwnn....this has been done to death.

Will be avoiding this like the plague...the trailer is the usual tabloid shoite image of Limerick - scobes hanging around, scobes having the craic, scobes shouting and scobes riding horses with wild abandon.

Just for a change, would love to see an RTE programme that didn't feature scobes hanging around, scobes having the craic, scobes shouting and scobes riding horses with wild abandon..."Darina Allen cooks in Castletroy", "Neil Delamere: Dooradoyle - A Personal Journey", "George Hook Rucks up in Thomond" etc

....it would still probably be a pile of crap but at least it wouldn't be all about scobes hanging around, scobes having the craic, scobes shouting and scobes riding horses with wild abandon :mad:

You mean like TnG do, I have seen one on Thomond Park, it was excellent, and more recently one on Limerick City of Culture, that one was a really good decent piece, hit the right note, tone dealt with everything but in a good way. RTE simply do not want to do such a piece. To put this in perspective the ONLY department of RTE that doesn't take a hatchet to Limerick at every opportunity is RTE Radio 1...the rest do, that is how deep the culture in RTE goes...

I have said it before and I'll say it again, if the Dublin based media treated this city the same way the UK media, or even TnG treat this city we wouldn't have an image problem...

I just watched the start on player because I missed it last night..."a city scarred by violence" is how it began...whatever scar violence has left in this city pales in comparison to the scar Irish media have left.

Larbre34

Seemed just the same as the show where Liam Toland and Niamh Briggs (i think) tried to get a bunch of pramfaces and weed head chavs playing rugby and taking photos for an expo, some were sound, some were wasters.

Your wan last night Leanne was a little cracker though

seachto7

Here's a good idea. Why not do a music related programme in inner city estates or disadvantaged areas and find people who DON'T rap, or people who DON'T want to do X Factor sh*t.

Are there any musicians in real bands in these places? I know there are.

Why do people in disadvantaged areas feel that they have to rap, but never form an indie band or a rock band or an acoustic duo?

It's a tired cliche: I'm from Moyross and I like to rap. Next!!!

You're Irish and you are never going to be able to compete against what the Americans have on their own doorsteps.

Poxyshamrock

It's also worrying to think that some people in these areas think the only way to "get out" is to make millions as a rapper and not just get a job/education like the rest of us!

seachto7

Well, if they're trying to make it in the music game, they'll spend a lot of time not making much money, and hanging around. Oh wait....

This inner city rap sh*t does my head in. It's old hat at this stage. It's ridiculous, and even more ridiculous when you see white lads and lassies from a provincial town dressed like black folk from The Bronx, who they'd probably call "black c*nts" if they ever met them.

Insect Overlord

seachto7 wrote: »

You're Irish and you are never going to be able to compete against what the Americans have on their own doorsteps.

Check out https://www.facebook.com/OfficialGodKnows?ref=profile for a quality rapper from the Midwest. There are a few talented rappers in this part of the world.

seachto7

Sorry, not my thing. I just don't get it. Obviously music is subjective and all that lark...

I could put forward the stupid argument that none of them are American, so it's not going to work for me anymore than the Celtic Crew didn't work for me.

I want to see more black guys playing electric guitars, that's what I want to see.

I could spend time deconstructing/pulling the rug from under my own statements here, but it is getting off topic.

I'm just sick of "rappers" from estates in LImerick, Dublin, Cork, etc. ****.

VintageKaren

Guys, can you lot please think before you type and leave nasty comments online for the world to see!! These are kids for goodness sake! Regardless of how they sound, how they dress or where they are from - don't be bullies!
why, because of how they sound and where they are from, should these guys (or anyone, for that matter) be labeled a scobe or a scumbag?! Do you lot know these people personally?! No.
I do know these people both personally (I'm related to one through marriage) and to see them around Limerick. They are neither scobes nor scumbags as you 'keyboard warriors' most eloquently put it...
not everyone from these disadvantaged estates has a shot at further education or jobs - because of the actions of a minority of people, everyone from the same area is tarred with the one brush!! I don't think thats fair at all, do you?
These young people are trying to get a shot at what they love to do, and they weren't promised the sun, moon and stars by Bressie, they were given a chance by him, which is more than what any of you naysayers are doing!!

Im as sick of the Limerick stereotypes as the next Limerick person, but the rap scene is big here, and for once (as much of a rugby lover as I am) I'm thrilled to see the city being shown for something other than rugby/sport, it shows that we are a diverse city and that its not just one past-time that rules supreme!! (and it was Rosie Foley who did that docu with Toland!)

Give them a chance, its the least they deserve - the Irish media doesn't give Limerick many chances, don't take it away from the group!

smilerxxx

Rapping is definitely not my taste but you have to give these kids credit for trying to follow their dream.

@vintagekaren I think youre right about the education part. There are lots of "opportunities" for education but its a deeper culture that no government scheme can just fix. Even with great parents & financial aid, a life of further education can (I say can because I cannot make a blanket judgement) seem alien.

Any outlet a kid has to express themselves should be encouraged. Maybe then they will never end up meeting me.

I really hope rte don't make a mockery of them.

Silentcorner

VintageKaren wrote: »

Guys, can you lot please think before you type and leave nasty comments online for the world to see!! These are kids for goodness sake! Regardless of how they sound, how they dress or where they are from - don't be bullies!
why, because of how they sound and where they are from, should these guys (or anyone, for that matter) be labeled a scobe or a scumbag?! Do you lot know these people personally?! No.
I do know these people both personally (I'm related to one through marriage) and to see them around Limerick. They are neither scobes nor scumbags as you 'keyboard warriors' most eloquently put it...
not everyone from these disadvantaged estates has a shot at further education or jobs - because of the actions of a minority of people, everyone from the same area is tarred with the one brush!! I don't think thats fair at all, do you?
These young people are trying to get a shot at what they love to do, and they weren't promised the sun, moon and stars by Bressie, they were given a chance by him, which is more than what any of you naysayers are doing!!

Im as sick of the Limerick stereotypes as the next Limerick person, but the rap scene is big here, and for once (as much of a rugby lover as I am) I'm thrilled to see the city being shown for something other than rugby/sport, it shows that we are a diverse city and that its not just one past-time that rules supreme!! (and it was Rosie Foley who did that docu with Toland!)

Give them a chance, its the least they deserve - the Irish media doesn't give Limerick many chances, don't take it away from the group!

I agree, the use of the words you mentioned serve no purpose at all.

The kids on this from Limerick seem really nice and I for one wish them the best of luck.

And sure there is a rap scene here, but it represents maybe 10% or less of the diverse music scene that exists in the city.

There are an amount of bands in the city that would give their right arm for the exposure these kids are getting, bands who have poured a lot of time and effort and talent into their endeavours but they will never get that exposure purely because they are not from the estates these kids are from.

This is not the RTE giving Limerick a chance, do not be fooled, these kids, whether you like to hear it or not, are pawns in RTEs persistent narrow narrative that has created the stereotypes you referred to.

We all know the nickname/image issue.
What feeds that nickname/image issue is the constant repeating of the following
Murder/Gangs/Violence/social deprivation/Crime
They keep repeating the above in any sentence/article/program with Limerick, every chance they get, this creates the image problem.

The reason you may not see this is because you are judging RTE by your standards, you are clearly not a cynical person, neither are the kids on the show, but the image problem is a problem created by the likes of RTE, unfortunately we have to become cynical to be able to defend ourselves from this, otherwise we will be having this discussion in 10, 20, 30 years time.

What I would love to see is all communities rejecting any RTE Production crew as soon as they pull up in the city with whatever wannabe celebrity they are dragging behind them...they are not here to give us a chance.

The kids may well make it, tho it is not an easy business, I wish them the best, but this is RTE in Limerick doing what RTE in Limerick do.

Vanquished

Silentcorner wrote: »

I agree, the use of the words you mentioned serve no purpose at all.

The kids on this from Limerick seem really nice and I for one wish them the best of luck.

And sure there is a rap scene here, but it represents maybe 10% or less of the diverse music scene that exists in the city.

There are an amount of bands in the city that would give their right arm for the exposure these kids are getting, bands who have poured a lot of time and effort and talent into their endeavours but they will never get that exposure purely because they are not from the estates these kids are from.

This is not the RTE giving Limerick a chance, do not be fooled, these kids, whether you like to hear it or not, are pawns in RTEs persistent narrow narrative that has created the stereotypes you referred to.

We all know the nickname/image issue.
What feeds that nickname/image issue is the constant repeating of the following
Murder/Gangs/Violence/social deprivation/Crime
They keep repeating the above in any sentence/article/program with Limerick, every chance they get, this creates the image problem.

The reason you may not see this is because you are judging RTE by your standards, you are clearly not a cynical person, neither are the kids on the show, but the image problem is a problem created by the likes of RTE, unfortunately we have to become cynical to be able to defend ourselves from this, otherwise we will be having this discussion in 10, 20, 30 years time.

What I would love to see is all communities rejecting any RTE Production crew as soon as they pull up in the city with whatever wannabe celebrity they are dragging behind them...they are not here to give us a chance.

The kids may well make it, tho it is not an easy business, I wish them the best, but this is RTE in Limerick doing what RTE in Limerick do.

Spot on! It's quite simple really. RTE are just compounding and reinforcing the stereotypical narrative that Limerick is all but one large local authority housing project with all the usual associated social problems!

In this particular case it happens to be under the guise of the well intentioned national broadcaster reaching out in a most noble fashion and providing an outlet for these poor, underprivileged misfortunes to reach for the stars against all the odds! :rolleyes:

zulutango

VintageKaren wrote: »

Guys, can you lot please think before you type and leave nasty comments online for the world to see!! These are kids for goodness sake! Regardless of how they sound, how they dress or where they are from - don't be bullies!
why, because of how they sound and where they are from, should these guys (or anyone, for that matter) be labeled a scobe or a scumbag?! Do you lot know these people personally?! No.
I do know these people both personally (I'm related to one through marriage) and to see them around Limerick. They are neither scobes nor scumbags as you 'keyboard warriors' most eloquently put it...
not everyone from these disadvantaged estates has a shot at further education or jobs - because of the actions of a minority of people, everyone from the same area is tarred with the one brush!! I don't think thats fair at all, do you?
These young people are trying to get a shot at what they love to do, and they weren't promised the sun, moon and stars by Bressie, they were given a chance by him, which is more than what any of you naysayers are doing!!

Im as sick of the Limerick stereotypes as the next Limerick person, but the rap scene is big here, and for once (as much of a rugby lover as I am) I'm thrilled to see the city being shown for something other than rugby/sport, it shows that we are a diverse city and that its not just one past-time that rules supreme!! (and it was Rosie Foley who did that docu with Toland!)

Give them a chance, its the least they deserve - the Irish media doesn't give Limerick many chances, don't take it away from the group!

I really don't see this as giving Limerick a chance. As others have said, it simply perpetuates the narrative about the city. RTE are simply using those kids.

The kids in St. Nessan's had a project that was brought to the International Space Station. I don't recall RTE covering that. Let's tell the country that the kids of Limerick aspire to be rap stars rather than scientists. For all the talent that rap requires, there's a lot that's negative about the rap scene, and rap stars wouldn't exactly be the best role models.

And, yes, of course it's completely wrong to label the kids as scobes or scumbags.

Cartman78

zulutango wrote: »

I really don't see this as giving Limerick a chance. As others have said, it simply perpetuates the narrative about the city. RTE are simply using those kids.

This x 10,000,000.

re: the Limerick city narrative - The Republic of Telly highlighted this in a reasonably amusing manner last night....eg. do we really need to see shots of wild horses every 30 seconds

I've actually ended up watching the episodes so far - hard to see why anyone outside of Limerick (and/or mega Bressie fans) would have any interest tbh. It really feels like the kids are being exploited for cheap laughs

seachto7

VintageKaren wrote: »

Guys, can you lot please think before you type and leave nasty comments online for the world to see!! These are kids for goodness sake! Regardless of how they sound, how they dress or where they are from - don't be bullies!
why, because of how they sound and where they are from, should these guys (or anyone, for that matter) be labeled a scobe or a scumbag?! Do you lot know these people personally?! No.
I do know these people both personally (I'm related to one through marriage) and to see them around Limerick. They are neither scobes nor scumbags as you 'keyboard warriors' most eloquently put it...
not everyone from these disadvantaged estates has a shot at further education or jobs - because of the actions of a minority of people, everyone from the same area is tarred with the one brush!! I don't think thats fair at all, do you?
These young people are trying to get a shot at what they love to do, and they weren't promised the sun, moon and stars by Bressie, they were given a chance by him, which is more than what any of you naysayers are doing!!

Im as sick of the Limerick stereotypes as the next Limerick person, but the rap scene is big here, and for once (as much of a rugby lover as I am) I'm thrilled to see the city being shown for something other than rugby/sport, it shows that we are a diverse city and that its not just one past-time that rules supreme!! (and it was Rosie Foley who did that docu with Toland!)

Give them a chance, its the least they deserve - the Irish media doesn't give Limerick many chances, don't take it away from the group!

They made the choice to go on tv, so unfortunately one has to take the sh*t that comes with it. I watched it, it's good craic, they're funny kids, but Irish rap just isn't cutting it for me. Sorry.

If RTE really wanted to get rid of the stereotyping, they could have looked for bands, singers, or guitar players, or piano players from these areas. It's not like those areas haven't a track record of producing some of the finest musicians in town. They are there.

The guy who sees rap as a "ticket out" needs a reality check. Sorry.

I could be wrong, but one of the biggest bands to come out of Ireland is made up of lads from Moyross is it not? No mention of this on the show at all from what I saw.

The rap scene is big here? Since when?

The heavy metal scene is probably bigger in Limerick. Again, it's going off topic.

Best of luck to them whatever path they choose.

Bressie has enough problems trying to relaunch his own music career. Only for the rugby jockness of him, he'd have been gone out of sight long ago along with the rest of The Blizzards.

Middle Ireland loves a rugby hunk.

CatFromHue

seachto7 wrote: »

I could be wrong, but one of the biggest bands to come out of Ireland is made up of lads from Moyross is it not?

What band is that?

seachto7

CatFromHue wrote: »

What band is that?

The Cranberries. The two Hogans. You can say what you like about them, but they cracked America and sold over 40 million albums in their time.

But let RTE stick with the rappers.

bigpink

Wasn't there a major music project this year for city of culture..music generation limerick how the hell wasn't this featured

seachto7

bigpink wrote: »

Wasn't there a major music project this year for city of culture..music generation limerick how the hell wasn't this featured

As well as the Pigtown Fling which involved pulling a lot of musicians together over a period of time.

If that had happened in Dublin, they'd be creaming themselves over it. Xposé would be there and all!

zulutango

seachto7 wrote: »

As well as the Pigtown Fling which involved pulling a lot of musicians together over a period of time.

If that had happened in Dublin, they'd be creaming themselves over it. Xposé would be there and all!

Was Pigtown Fling any good? I saw some of the videos they made and they were cringeworthy. One line from Barry Murphy - "Limerick has per capita the most talented people you'll find anywhere". This self-congratulatory stuff doesn't do us any favours, and especially when it's made up bull****.

CatFromHue

seachto7 wrote: »

The Cranberries. The two Hogans. You can say what you like about them, but they cracked America and sold over 40 million albums in their time.

But let RTE stick with the rappers.

The Cranberries would be right up there with U2 if you ask me.

seachto7

zulutango wrote: »

Was Pigtown Fling any good? I saw some of the videos they made and they were cringeworthy. One line from Barry Murphy - "Limerick has per capita the most talented people you'll find anywhere". This self-congratulatory stuff doesn't do us any favours, and especially when it's made up bull****.

Well, you could argue that it was a smugfest, with a distorted sense of how good some of the contributors were.

It could be argued that it could have been better produced, but for what it was, it was still an achievement.

The point isn't really whether it was any good or not though.

godfrey

I've just one thing I want to point out here:

This programme is not an RTE production.

Yes, it was commissioned by a commissioning editor in RTE and that says a lot for sure.

However, the core of my point is that an independent production company created this programme concept, sought funding for it and got it aired ON RTE , but it's still not an RTE programme or programme idea. It's produced by ShinAwiL Productions.

You can learn a little more about this process here:

http://www.rte.ie/commissioning/rteentertainment.html

godfrey

I'm only now seeing the full credits, which reveals even more information:
It's a BAI funded programme, which means most if not all the funding for it comes from Licence fee, and not from the usual IPU budget in RTE. Draw your own conclusions there too...

zulutango

godfrey wrote: »

I'm only now seeing the full credits, which reveals even more information:
It's a BAI funded programme, which means most if not all the funding for it comes from Licence fee, and not from the usual IPU budget in RTE. Draw your own conclusions there too...

Go on, tell us. What does it mean?

Special Circumstances

zulutango wrote: »

Go on, tell us. What does it mean?

It's a Cork conspiracy.... Bai.

tipptom

godfrey wrote: »

I've just one thing I want to point out here:

This programme is not an RTE production.

Yes, it was commissioned by a commissioning editor in RTE and that says a lot for sure.

However, the core of my point is that an independent production company created this programme concept, sought funding for it and got it aired ON RTE , but it's still not an RTE programme or programme idea. It's produced by ShinAwiL Productions.

You can learn a little more about this process here:

http://www.rte.ie/commissioning/rteentertainment.html

Wonder would it have been commissioned if the kids were from Castletroy.?

godfrey

I just wish there had been better music/real musicians on it. But I'm old...

g