Horses shot dead

AndyBoBandy

While this act is utterly shocking & disgusting

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-horses-dead-and-third-traumatised-after-gun-attack-30763499.html

Why is it not shocking and disgusting when a race horse is shot after a leg break?
does the horse choose to run in a race for rich people? knowing that a bad fall could mean a bullet in the head.

Is a shotgun the standard method vets use when euthanising a horse?

AndyBoBandy

Deleted User wrote: »

Is a shotgun the standard method vets use when euthanising a horse?

I don't know, but being shot and killed is the same as being shot and killed!

jimgoose

There is a big difference between a racehorse being destroyed by a vet after a bad break - horses have perfectly functional bone-marrow like the rest of us, the problem is if they stay off their feet sufficiently long to let certain leg breaks heal they develop bad circulatory and cardiovascular problems - and some idiot letting rip with a shotgun into the flank of a pregnant mare.

MoyVilla9

Sounds like you're getting two different situations mixed up here.

AndyBoBandy

MoyVilla9 wrote: »

Sounds like you're getting two different situations mixed up here.

I know the 2 situations are worlds apart.

but if there is potential for a racehorse to break a leg, and have to be destroyed, is that not just as cruel?

jimgoose

Andybobandy wrote: »

I know the 2 situations are worlds apart.

but if there is potential for a racehorse to break a leg, and have to be destroyed, is that not just as cruel?

It is. The World is a savage, heartless, beautiful place. Horses run, that's what they do.

SEPT 23 1989

Andybobandy wrote: »

I know the 2 situations are worlds apart.

but if there is potential for a racehorse to break a leg, and have to be destroyed, is that not just as cruel?

are you one of these militant animal rights types?

Nonoperational

Racehorses are treated like royalty, they enjoy training and running, very rarely they get injured and are humanely put down. I wouldn't describe it as cruel personally.

AndyBoBandy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

are you one of these militant animal rights types?

most certainly not, I eat beef, chicken etc.. and always will. they are a necessity,

horses running round a field for fun is not an essential part of life imo

jimgoose

Andybobandy wrote: »

most certainly not, I eat beef, chicken etc.. and always will. they are a necessity,

horses running round a field for fun is not an essential part of life imo

...unless you're a horse.

Timberrrrrrrr

Andybobandy wrote: »

I don't know, but being shot and killed is the same as being shot and killed!

Get shot in the gut and take 4 hours to die

Get shot in the head and die instantly


HUGE difference.

AndyBoBandy

I guess when I hear of a horse being put down, I immediately think, well, if that horse was not running around today, it would still be alive.

Pumpkinseeds

There is a massive difference between shooting a race horse dead and shooting horses and leaving them to die a slow painful death. The fcukers that shot those horses on the Limerick border are probably the same scum who pop up on Facebook ranting about how much they love their horses. I hope whoever shot them dies screaming, bastards.:mad:

SEPT 23 1989

Andybobandy wrote: »

most certainly not, I eat beef, chicken etc.. and always will. they are a necessity,

horses running round a field for fun is not an essential part of life imo

that's what they are bred for,they know no other life

o1s1n

Deleted User wrote: »

Is a shotgun the standard method vets use when euthanising a horse?

They only use shotguns when they don't have RPGs handy.

I would imagine the answer to your question is 'no'.

AndyBoBandy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Get shot in the gut and take 4 hours to die

Get shot in the head and die instantly


HUGE difference.

I agree, a huge difference, but both sadly with the same end result. a dead animal, only dead because of human involvement

SEPT 23 1989

Andybobandy wrote: »

I guess when I hear of a horse being put down, I immediately think, well, if that horse was not running around today, it would still be alive.

he would not be alive if there was no race

piperh

Depending on the leg break of a horse it can be crueler, more painful and more distressing for a horse if they try rehabilitation. It is not as simple as a break healing because of a horses anatomy.

A thug with a gun is no comparison to a trained equine vet pts a racehorse.

Timberrrrrrrr

Andybobandy wrote: »

I agree, a huge difference, but both sadly with the same end result. a dead animal, only dead because of human involvement

Say that next time you are n McDonalds, or eating Sunday dinner. Unless you are a vegan animals are going to die for you, fact of life.

Ave Sodalis

Andybobandy wrote: »

I know the 2 situations are worlds apart.

but if there is potential for a racehorse to break a leg, and have to be destroyed, is that not just as cruel?

Not at all comparable. A racehorse who breaks his leg, it's standard of living is dramatically decreased. Horses are not designed to stay in one spot. It causes destress and the longer it goes on, the more behaviour problems develop, especially something so highly sprung as a racehorse. They may not even be touchable by the end of it and the horse could end up very dangerous. That's not to mention the health problems. They're also put down after careful consideration, those horses could be worth millions. They're put down as quick and painless as possible.

These horses were shot in cold blood, with no consideration to their welfare or suffering. It's disgusting

AndyBoBandy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

that's what they are bred for,they know no other life

bred for, yes, so, again human interference with nature

jimgoose

Andybobandy wrote: »

bred for, yes, so, again human interference with nature

Have you ever seen a wild Mustang? They go like the wind. That's what horses do. They suffer plenty fatal bone-breakages in the wild as well, and die slowly and painfully. You hardly ever see them lounging around the paddock reading the Independent and fretting about pensions.

AndyBoBandy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Say that next time you are n McDonalds, or eating Sunday dinner. Unless you are a vegan animals are going to die for you, fact of life.

I agree, but I don't eat horses (at least not that I know of) ,but in both situations mentioned, the death of the animal is not for human consumption purposes

Ave Sodalis

Andybobandy wrote: »

bred for, yes, so, again human interference with nature

No. All horses run, majority love it. The first thing a horse does when it's put in a field is gallop. Even if it's been kept in the field, it'll still go for a gallop at times.

AndyBoBandy

jimgoose wrote: »

You hardly ever see them lounging around the paddock reading the Independent and fretting about pensions.

race horses only ever read the Racing Post I was told..

DEFTLEFTHAND

Andybobandy wrote: »

I agree, but I don't eat horses (at least not that I know of) ,but in both situations mentioned, the death of the animal is not for human consumption purposes

In the case of the racehorse it's the only humane option open, it's terribly sad but it's a grim fact of the industry.

SEPT 23 1989

Andybobandy wrote: »

bred for, yes, so, again human interference with nature

so you want a complete cessation of the world horse racing industry

jimgoose

Andybobandy wrote: »

race horses only ever read the Racing Post I was told..

No-one reads the Racing Post but the plebians, my dear man. Racehorses are worth millions, and read the Financial Times.

gouche

Andybobandy wrote: »

bred for, yes, so, again human interference with nature

You may as well get used to it.
Humans have been 'interfering' with nature since we started hunting.

phater phagan

It's a horrific and cruel thing to do innocent animals. I hope that the gardai find whoever did that appalling act, and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. There is ample evidence that people who have a history of cruelty to animals often kill people. I'm not a fan of horse racing but I rather think that the method of euthanasia practiced by vets is more humane than that horrible deed by some heartless thugs in Cork/Limerick.

AndyBoBandy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

In the case of the racehorse it's the only humane option open, it's terribly sad but it's a grim fact of the industry.

So would this not make some reconsider the industry?

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

so you want a complete cessation of the world horse racing industry

if it halts the ending of an animals life because it was being pushed to its limits in a race, then maybe yes.

jimgoose

Andybobandy wrote: »

...if it halts the ending of an animals life because it was being pushed to its limits in a race, then maybe yes.

It has nothing to do with the animal being pushed to its limits. Are you taking a blind bit of notice of what I'm telling you in this thread??

Ave Sodalis

Andybobandy wrote: »

So would this not make some reconsider the industry?



if it halts the ending of an animals life because it was being pushed to its limits in a race, then maybe yes.

There are lots of faults in the racing industry, this isn't really a big one.

SEPT 23 1989

Andybobandy wrote: »

if it halts the ending of an animals life because it was being pushed to its limits in a race, then maybe yes.

a horse falls

Beano

Andybobandy wrote: »

So would this not make some reconsider the industry?



if it halts the ending of an animals life because it was being pushed to its limits in a race, then maybe yes.

So then we have to euthanise all the race horses in the world as they are pretty much useless for anything else. great plan.

AndyBoBandy

Beano wrote: »

So then we have to euthanise all the race horses in the world as they are pretty much useless for anything else. great plan.

we could eat them, feed the poor/starving

The_Valeyard

Absolute scum. These people are lower than cockroaches.

jimgoose

Andybobandy wrote: »

we could eat them, feed the poor/starving

And this would bother you less than the occasional racing fatality?? Yer a hawrd maun, hi!! :pac:

Andybobandy

Andybobandy wrote: »

So would this not make some reconsider the industry?



if it halts the ending of an animals life because it was being pushed to its limits in a race, then maybe yes.

Can you think of anything with no danger involved?

AndyBoBandy

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you think of anything with no danger involved?

masterbating

Andybobandy

Andybobandy wrote: »

masterbating

You're doing it wrong.

ScumLord

Andybobandy wrote: »

I agree, but I don't eat horses (at least not that I know of) ,but in both situations mentioned, the death of the animal is not for human consumption purposes

No it's not for consumption but horses are domesticated animals, they have been for a long time we originally tamed them on the grass planes of central asia thousands of years ago and they were a very different animal back then. America offered a unique opportunity for feral horses (not wild anymore) to survive on their own but they wouldn't have that opportunity in an overpopulated europe. They either team up with humans or there's no place for them.

phater phagan wrote: »

There is ample evidence that people who have a history of cruelty to animals often kill people.

I don't think there is, animal cruelty happens all the time and the majority of people don't turn into serial killers regardless of what hollywood horror films would have you believe.

razorblunt

Oh FFS, this Friday had been a good one until now.

Beano

Andybobandy wrote: »

we could eat them, feed the poor/starving

that does still mean killing them. You do realise that dont you?

Beano

Deleted User wrote: »

You're doing it wrong.

spelling it wrong as well.

wendell borton

Euthanising a injured horse is diametrically opposite to what those sick scum did, they did what they did to cause suffering while a vet does it in a controlled manner to end suffering.

topper75

wendell borton wrote: »

Euthanising a injured horse is diametrically opposite to what those sick scum did, they did what they did to cause suffering while a vet does it in a controlled manner to end suffering.

Can't believe that has to be pointed out to people, but it seems from reading the thread that it actually does.

If it is a shotgun, then there is no ballistics from pellets and catching the perpetrators may not be likely, sadly.

mikehn

Big difference between your normal horse race meeting where strict standards have to be met and something like below. I think the sooner that horse tagging is brought in the better to keep track of the gobs***tes that treat horses like this.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/call-for-ban-on-sulky-racing-after-horse-dies-257568.html
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ispca-calls-for-sulky-racing-ban-after-latest-injury-30337300.html

Littlekittylou

I am absolutely shocked. It's so pointless.

Justjens

Andybobandy wrote: »

most certainly not, I eat beef, chicken etc.. and always will. they are a necessity,

horses running round a field for fun is not an essential part of life imo

Andybobandy wrote: »

bred for, yes, so, again human interference with nature

So it suits you to interfere when it's bred to be put on your plate?