Manny Pacquiao vs Chris Algieri - Nov 22nd - Venetian Macao

megadodge

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Never disputed that

I was asking about his "flaws" and the language you used in your answer suggested that he wasn't hard to hit, which I strongly disagree with.

megadodge

Bad call by the ref there. That was no knockdown.

megadodge

Good footwork from Algieri so far, even with his fast feet Manny is finding it hard to close the distance.

Chrissybhoy

megadodge wrote: »

I was asking about his "flaws" and the language you used in your answer suggested that he wasn't hard to hit, which I strongly disagree with.

Well the fight tonight showed that he can get hit but doesn't have an effect on him. We'll be raving about him in a year or two

Chrissybhoy

megadodge wrote: »

Good footwork from Algieri so far, even with his fast feet Manny is finding it hard to close the distance.

Were at loggerheads tonight lad. I think manny is getting into the pockets very easy just needs his shots to ge cleaner

megadodge

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Well the fight tonight showed that he can get hit but doesn't have an effect on him. We'll be raving about him in a year or two

Yeah, but that's hardly a 'flaw', as every fighter gets hit.
Mayweather was hit something like 220 times against Maidana in their first fight, yet you'd never hear anyone saying "he can be hit".

I agree though that he's on his way to being a big star.

megadodge

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Were at loggerheads tonight lad. I think manny is getting into the pockets very easy just needs his shots to ge cleaner

He is now. I wrote that in the second I think and things have changed in the meantime.

Chrissybhoy

megadodge wrote: »

Yeah, but that's hardly a 'flaw', as every fighter gets hit.
Mayweather was hit something like 220 times against Maidana in their first fight, yet you'd never hear anyone saying "he can be hit".

I agree though that he's on his way to being a big star.

It will be flaw if a better fighter hits him clean to many times

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It's over.

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How did Algieri survive that

moneymad

pacquiao needs a ko or this is a setback for him.

megadodge

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

I will be flaw if a better fighter hits him clean to many times

But he's not getting hit very often.
And that was my whole point. You seem to be suggesting he is.
It's pretty obvious that he'll be hard to hit for anybody. His defense is brilliant. But even defensive wizards get hit.
Roy Jones is the only boxer in the history of Compubox to go through a round without having a punch scored against him. ONE ROUND EVER.

Chrissybhoy

Middle class loses again. Working class sport!!!

Kirby

Algieri corner is completely delusional.

Chrissybhoy

Kirby wrote: »

Algieri corner is completely delusional.

100% agree

megadodge

Katie's on TG4 right now.

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That was never in doubt.

Henno30

Kirby wrote: »

Algieri corner is completely delusional.

Hilarious though

12thofthe12th

weemcd wrote: »

Manny is looking superb. Lean and quick.

I'm expecting him to win a wide UD, flurries in and out again all night. I don't think he'll get the KO though.

I hope you've put money on that, good prediction man.

walshb

Very unimpressed with Algieri. In there to survive. Never offered anything of substance.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

Very unimpressed with Algieri. In there to survive. Never offered anything of substance.

I expected more from him too. He hardly committed to a right hand all night.

Henno30

For any of you that didn't see the HBO broadcast, this is gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WBttSGT1YM

walshb

Lomachenko impressed me a lot more than previous. He was very offensive. His feet and movement are magician like. Never seen anything like it. Unreal.

The opponent wasn't all that good, but still very game. Lomachenko must have covered 2-3 miles in that fight? That requires serious legs and a very good engine. As for his power: I think it's quite good when he sets himself and connects. It's enough to hurt you and back you up. I Want to see him in against Waters or Rigo soon. Let's see these fights....

Oh, throw in Donaire. Would love to see that. If Donaire lands clean with that left hook?

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

Lomachenko impressed me a lot more than previous. He was very offensive. His fet and movement are magician like. Never seen anything like it. Unreal.

The opponent wasn't all that good, but still very game. Lomachenko must have covered 2-3 miles in that fight? That requires serious legs and a very goo engine. As for his power: I think it's quite good when he sets himself and connects. It's enough to hurt you and back you up. I Want to see him in against Waters or Rigo soon. Let's see these fights....

Oh, throw in Donaire. Would love to see that. If Donaire lands clean with that left hook? l

Lomachenko's footwork is simply incredible. His speed of thought and movement is like nothing you're used to watching. It's like the tape is sped up at times.

I would like to see him go towards an opponent and drive them back more often though. He expends a huge amount of energy circling his opponent when at times it would be nice to see him step to them a bit more.

Great to watch all the same. A joy to see a masterful boxer who wants to make a fight and not prevent one.

braddun

the fights are fixed

many has a few more wins until they find some one else

from a review

for a number of years now, the majority of boxing PPVs have been sold on the name value of just one of the night's combatants. Whether Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather, the reason to watch has as of late been to see one of the sport's best in actions - who stands across the ring is many times a mere formality. This Saturday's HBO Boxing PPV absolutely fits into that mold.

Pacquiao vs. Algieri features pound for pound great Manny Pacquiao taking on Chris Algieri - one of the least known boxers to get the PPV treatment in quite some time. Casual fans have never heard of him, and even decently devoted boxing fans did not have him on their radars 6 months ago. And so, for the casual fans in particular, there's an important question to ask here:
Does Chris Algieri have a shot against Manny Pacquiao?

Ask the surprisingly candid Freddie Roach, world famous trainer to Pacquiao, and the answer is a resounding no. Roach has emphatically stated that Pacquiao is simply a class above, and that Algieri has no idea what he's getting into Saturday night in Macao. This has been echoed by most experts and fighters who have weighed in. Ruslan Provodnikov things Algieri needs to "run and hide"; Timothy Bradley somewhat more diplomatically think Algieri might give Pacquiao a little trouble, but the legend will adjust and take the fight.

megadodge

braddun wrote: »

the fights are fixed

many has a few more wins until they find some one else

from a review

for a number of years now, the majority of boxing PPVs have been sold on the name value of just one of the night's combatants. Whether Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather, the reason to watch has as of late been to see one of the sport's best in actions - who stands across the ring is many times a mere formality. This Saturday's HBO Boxing PPV absolutely fits into that mold.

Pacquiao vs. Algieri features pound for pound great Manny Pacquiao taking on Chris Algieri - one of the least known boxers to get the PPV treatment in quite some time. Casual fans have never heard of him, and even decently devoted boxing fans did not have him on their radars 6 months ago. And so, for the casual fans in particular, there's an important question to ask here:
Does Chris Algieri have a shot against Manny Pacquiao?

Ask the surprisingly candid Freddie Roach, world famous trainer to Pacquiao, and the answer is a resounding no. Roach has emphatically stated that Pacquiao is simply a class above, and that Algieri has no idea what he's getting into Saturday night in Macao. This has been echoed by most experts and fighters who have weighed in. Ruslan Provodnikov things Algieri needs to "run and hide"; Timothy Bradley somewhat more diplomatically think Algieri might give Pacquiao a little trouble, but the legend will adjust and take the fight.

So, if one competitor is a lot better than the other, that means the event is fixed?

Then...
All Usain Bolt's races are fixed.
All Kilkenny hurling games are fixed.
All All-Blacks rugby games are fixed.
etc. etc.

Yaaaaaaaawwwwnnnn.....

titan18

Watched the Lomachenko fight this morning. My god, he just keeps on getting better. Would love to see him and Walters fight

walshb

titan18 wrote: »

Watched the Lomachenko fight this morning. My god, he just keeps on getting better. Would love to see him and Walters fight

Big time. Lomachenko has definitely improved. His jab was amazing. So fast and fluid, and good pop. So much to praise. What stands out for me is something "minor". Maybe others can see it too, but when he is moving away and "fleeing" he has an extraordinary ability to do it whilst also keeping his hands very tight and high. That is an extremely difficult this to do, as your arms and hands are so needed when moving.

His engine and output have improved, and his shot variation has improved. Loving this "new" and more assertive Lomacahenko.

boxer.fan

walshb wrote: »

Big time. Lomachenko has definitely improved. His jab was amazing. So fast and fluid, and good pop. So much to praise. What stands out for me is something "minor". Maybe others can see it too, but when he is moving away and "fleeing" he has an extraordinary ability to do it whilst also keeping his hands very tight and high. That is an extremely difficult this to do, as your arms and hands are so needed when moving.

His engine and output have improved, and his shot variation has improved. Loving this "new" and more assertive Lomacahenko.

I think his technical ability could be greatly underrated by many fans. I can't remember ever seeing another boxer with such amazing skill. He uses his footwork & movement not only to evade attack, but also to deliver punches from crazy angles. His opponent's head was being snapped back continuously despite having their gloves up in a reasonably good defensive position.

I was getting pissed off with the commentary the last night. They were criticizing Lomachenko for circling too much. Why on earth would he want to plant his feet in front of a durable, tough opponent trade blows when he has such supreme footwork & gas tank.

walshb

One question I would ask is was he moving so much because he had to, or did he choose to want to keep away? Was the dude stronger than him? I don't think it's clear cut. I think Lomachenko maybe could have moved a lot less and maybe been the aggressor that bit more. He has a decent inside game, but seems reluctant to use it.