People filming fatally injured 2 year old at Traffic Collision

EveAlex

The fire services in Waterford have said emergency crew members were “astounded” by the number of people who attempted to capture video and images of a fatal road incident in which a two-year-old girl died.
Daenerys Crosbie, was struck by a lorry on Manor Street in Waterford city shortly after 10am yesterday.
Her mother, Carole-Ann Crosbie (30), suffered minor injuries.
Both were taken by ambulance to University Hospital Waterford and the girl was pronounced dead a short time later.
In a post on its Facebook page today, Waterford City Fire Service said the crew at the scene “were astounded by the number of people trying to capture the incident on their phones”.
It said this had been an “ongoing trend for a number of years now”.
It was “never better illustrated” than at a recent road crash.
“A man (in his thirties, not a teenager) crept up, phone poised and recording, to within ten feet or so of a car where we were trying to extricate the driver while the ambulance crew were treating him. The driver died en route to hospital.”
The post continued: “Why do people do this? It’s ghoulish, thoughtless and extremely distasteful.
“ We could fill this page with photos of the injured and dead that we see. But we don’t. Sometimes it’s enough to know that horrible things happen without having to see them.
“Most obviously there’s the matter of respect for the dignity of the people involved and the desire of paramount importance to not add to the grief and anguish felt by their families and friends.
“So if you know somebody who considers this kind of thing alright ask them to think about it just a little more.”
The post said the fire service “walk a straight line” on its social media page, “trying not to criticise or condemn” but that following the tragedy in Manor Street it was “time to weigh in on this”.
Chairman of the Irish Fire and Emergency Services Association John Kidd said members of the public taking images in such situations was “widespread”.
He said it was also common for members of the public to take out their phones while driving, in order to capture images of crashes on motorways and other roads.
“First of all they are putting themselves at risk. Secondly, they should ask themselves if it was their child would they like to see those images on social media?”
“Families already go through to much trauma. And some of our colleagues do cry (at such scenes). You are taking pictures of people who are operating in a very difficult environment.”
Gardaí have asked witnesses to the fatal incident in Waterford to contact them.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/public-urged-not-to-take-ghoulish-photos-at-crash-scenes-1.2007453

The mind boggles. This also happened in Dublin where a car killed a Chinese National. Most people chose to video rather than aid her or call the emergency services

Highflyer13

That is absolutely disgusting behaviour. Shame on them morons.

RIP to the little one.

who_me

Same thing happened at a fatal car accident in Cork city centre a few months back, huge crowd gathered around with many taking photos or videos. In their defence it's not always obvious if someone is seriously injured, but in the case above it sounds like that's really not the case. Sometimes I really want off this planet.

Deenie123

Vile and reprehensible behaviour. People shouldn't need to be told not to film people in these situations. When did all the cop on and decency leave the country?

glued

Anyone taking pictures or filming anything like that should be put down.

Deenie123

who_me wrote: »

Same thing happened at a fatal car accident in Cork city centre a few months back, huge crowd gathered around with many taking photos or videos. In their defence it's not always obvious if someone is seriously injured, but in the case above it sounds like that's really not the case. Sometimes I really want off this planet.

In fairness, that's absolutely no defence at all - whatsoever. Little bit of cop on wouldn't go astray that you're really invading someone's privacy by filming in such a situation.

costadeldole

I think social media and smart phones have been the most 2 damaging inventions to society in the last decade.
I gave up Facebook in 2005, and sold my last smart phone a year ago. I now have a base model Nokia with no camera or internet.
2 of the best things I ever did to be honest with you. I no longer share the popular desire to live my life through the lens.
Spreading viral pictures of death online just desensitizes people to it. A life has become so cheap thanks to Facebook and iphones.

costadeldole

Deenie123 wrote: »

Vile and reprehensible behaviour. People shouldn't need to be told not to film people in these situations. When did all the cop on and decency leave the country?

Around 2004 when Facebook was created. What we have now is the legacy of it, 10 years on.

eviltwin

People look at the world through the filter of a phone now, it has to have some effect. You'll see it at gigs, people watching the gig on the phone as they film it rather than live in the moment. I don't get it. I think this is just disgusting though, what on earth do they do with footage like that? Rip little one xx

Peist2007

It's another sign of the narcissism that is everywhere and seemingly encouraged nowadays. Twitter, facebook etc are all means to make one look good to their peers - a narcissist's dream. Let's face it, that's what people were taking photos for - bigging up their own social media page.

dark crystal

You'd want to be a special form of scum-sucking pondlife to capture a dying toddlers last moments on your phone.

I weep for humanity sometimes.

Generic Dreadhead

costadeldole wrote: »

I gave up Facebook in 2005

Did you now?

What absolute rubbish.

anncoates

I don't think blaming social media and technology is accurate.

To do so would suggest that a depressingly substantial proportion of the population haven't always been callous, selfish morons.

In other words, social media and technology have just helped foreground some people's nature rather than influenced it.

costadeldole

Peist2007 wrote: »

It's another sign of the narcissism that is everywhere and seemingly encouraged nowadays. Twitter, facebook etc are all means to make one look good to their peers - a narcissist's dream. Let's face it, that's what people were taking photos for - bigging up their own social media page.

Selfies taken to feed their ego's on Facebook.
Look at me, and my great life.
German psychologists have published an interesting paper on the phenomenon that is; Facebook envy.
The more users use it, the more unhappy they feel. Its actually spreading global unhappiness through envy.
Filming dead car crash victims and sharing it, then spreading that online for example. That is just more spreading unhappiness and negative thoughts globally.

Duggy747

costadeldole wrote: »

I think social media and smart phones have been the most 2 damaging inventions to society in the last decade.

Social media (Just like this forum you're on right now) has allowed me to stay in contact with people I would rarely otherwise see, if not lose contact with due to them living on the other side of the world as well as talk to strangers online.

A smart phone has made my job a thousand times easier and more efficient as well as having a beneficial impact on my day-to-day life. I don't need to take pictures of everything and it stays in the pocket when I'm out with the missus.

Gore hounds and people without common decency aren't a new thing, and using social media and / or a smart phone doesn't automatically make you a narcissist.

Blaming social media / latest technology is pointing the blame in the wrong direction.

Duck's hoop

In the past 15 years I've witnessed 3 fatal RT accidents. 2 were abroad and I was the first on the scene in one instance. The idea that someone would film or photograph these things is beyond my ken.

They are enduring images, of a very unpleasant nature and I'd prefer never to have seen what I've seen.

The last one was on a narrow road off the N11 in Wicklow. The driver of a car 3 cars in front of me was decapitated. There was naturally a long tail back. I stopped my car, phoned Emergency Services, saw here were the occupants of 3 cars and a further 2 which were coming in opposite direction already at site so stayed put.

As the cars rolled up behind me practically every single driver (and if there was one, passenger) got out and sauntered up the road.

It wasn't to help it was to gawp. I said to one lady that if it was bad she didn't want to see it. She ignored me, but on her return, ashen faced, she admitted it was foolish as the guy had been decapitated and she 'wished she'd never seen it'.

My thoughts are with that poor mother.

Peist2007

anncoates wrote: »

I don't think blaming social media and technology is accurate.

To do so would suggest that a depressingly substantial proportion of the population haven't always been callous, selfish morons.

In other words, social media and technology have just helped foreground some people's nature rather than influenced it.

I agree. In the 1980s you could sit safe in your house and not be exposed on a daily basis to how many dickheads there are in the world and, more disturbingly, how densely populated they are

GetWithIt

As a matter of interest has anyone actually berated a "friend" for taking, then posting, these kind of pictures/videos on Facebook?

You should.

I would. If I had a Facebook account. Or friends.

costadeldole

Cormac... wrote: »

Did you now?

What absolute rubbish.

Yes, I did.
I was studying for my masters degree at the time, and found it a distraction.
When I graduated, I never went back to it; as I realised I was happier without it in my life.
Its not rubbish, its fact. Just because people like me are different, to the sheep; doesn't mean we are liars talking rubbish. Its fact.

Nidgeweasel

That's the # generation for you.

****.

NewYork1979

That's people living their lives on the basis of who they can show it to or share it with but this is too far, disgusting.

Peist2007

Cormac... wrote: »

Did you now?

What absolute rubbish.

Are you implying Facebook is impossible to quit?

Putinovsky

Seen the same in the gutter town that is Tipperary. The entire town was out in force crowding around a serious accident.

Saipanne

costadeldole wrote: »

Yes, I did.
I was studying for my masters degree at the time, and found it a distraction.
When I graduated, I never went back to it; as I realised I was happier without it in my life.
Its not rubbish, its fact. Just because people like me are different, to the sheep; doesn't mean we are liars talking rubbish. Its fact.

Studied in Harvard, did we?

costadeldole

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

That's the # generation for you.

****.

#couldn'tagreewithyoumore

costadeldole

Saipanne wrote: »

Studied in Harvard, did we?

Harvard isn't in London.
If you read through my posts on other threads, you will see I emigrated from London to Ireland 5 years ago.
The clue is in that (where I attended university), I wont spell it out; or you might think I am trying to make you look stupid.

My baby girl died on the side of the road. Her brother soon after in hospital. I'm not one for vigilante justice, and at the time I wouldn't have noticed anyone taking pictures anyway, but if *anyone* had posted pics of my children online I would actually have been imprisoned for the things I world have done to them.

That article has made my blood boil furiously. What utter fcuking scumbags.

RIP that poor little child.

KungPao

costadeldole wrote: »

#couldn'tagreewithyoumore

#+1

costadeldole

Duggy747 wrote: »

Social media (Just like this forum you're on right now) has allowed me to stay in contact with people I would rarely otherwise see, if not lose contact with due to them living on the other side of the world as well as talk to strangers online.

A smart phone has made my job a thousand times easier and more efficient as well as having a beneficial impact on my day-to-day life. I don't need to take pictures of everything and it stays in the pocket when I'm out with the missus.

Gore hounds and people without common decency aren't a new thing, and using social media and / or a smart phone doesn't automatically make you a narcissist.

Blaming social media / latest technology is pointing the blame in the wrong direction.

Agreed.
If in doubt, blame Enda Kenny.

c_man

costadeldole wrote: »

Yes, I did.
I was studying for my masters degree at the time, and found it a distraction.

Which country/university? You do know that at that time access was limited to certain institutions email address (none in Ireland IIRC).


This is very sad. I can't imagine witnessing something like that and your first instinct being to capture it all on the phone. What the hell!

IP freely

costadeldole wrote: »

Yes, I did.
I was studying for my masters degree at the time, and found it a distraction.
When I graduated, I never went back to it; as I realised I was happier without it in my life.
Its not rubbish, its fact. Just because people like me are different, to the sheep; doesn't mean we are liars talking rubbish. Its fact.

Posted from costadeldole's I phone.

Mod

Any chance people can stop being dicks? A 2 year old is dead.

costadeldole

Deleted User wrote: »

My baby girl died on the side of the road. Her brother soon after in hospital. I'm not one for vigilante justice, and at the time I wouldn't have noticed anyone taking pictures anyway, but if *anyone* had posted pics of my children online I would actually have been imprisoned for the things I world have done to them.

That article has made my blood boil furiously. What utter fcuking scumbags.

RIP that poor little child.

Please accept my sincere condolences for your losses.
I think there should be a law made against filming the deceased, with a custodial sentence imposed on those who break it.
If the US government can do it with silicon valley to block viral images of ISIL beheadings, then the EU should also be able to censor this content.
China seems to have no problem sensoring online content, so it is possible to block images of deaths being uploaded to Facebook and Twitter etc.

Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

That article has made my blood boil furiously. What utter fcuking scumbags.

RIP that poor little child.

+ a million. Utter mouthbreathing scum. Actually, they're just utterly brainless.

A couple of years ago I was at my local cluster of shops and a bloke about 50 caught my eye. He was ashen and suddenly slumped have sitting to the pavement. So me an two elderly people were the only people to go to help him and call an ambulance and comfort him until it came. The rest just stood like moronic statues and more than a few started taking pics on their phones and these weren't teenagers either. Oxygen stealing rubberneckers the lot of them.:mad::mad:

Hannibal Smith

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My baby girl died on the side of the road. Her brother soon after in hospital. I'm not one for vigilante justice, and at the time I wouldn't have noticed anyone taking pictures anyway, but if *anyone* had posted pics of my children online I would actually have been imprisoned for the things I world have done to them.

That article has made my blood boil furiously. What utter fcuking scumbags.

RIP that poor little child.

Jees...so sorry for all you've been through xxx

poeticmakaveli

eviltwin wrote:

People look at the world through the filter of a phone now, it has to have some effect. You'll see it at gigs, people watching the gig on the phone as they film it rather than live in the moment. I don't get it. I think this is just disgusting though, what on earth do they do with footage like that? Rip little one xx

totally agree!! reminds me of them people who have 300 pictures up of their night out before!! i mean,enjoy the night for gods sake and stop playing to the world!! i closed my Facebook down 2 years ago and its the best thing i have done also, its a nose machine for people local to find out what's going on in your life! i do have Twitter but i use that for personal interests mainly and i don't even find it anywhere near similar to Facebook!

MayoSalmon

Because the majority of people don't give a ****e anymore about other peoples thoughts and feelings

Vic_08

costadeldole wrote: »

I think social media and smart phones have been the most 2 damaging inventions to society in the last decade.
I gave up Facebook in 2005, and sold my last smart phone a year ago. I now have a base model Nokia with no camera or internet.
2 of the best things I ever did to be honest with you. I no longer share the popular desire to live my life through the lens.
Spreading viral pictures of death online just desensitizes people to it. A life has become so cheap thanks to Facebook and iphones.

Life has always been cheap and ghoulish voyeurism has always been entertainment. In the prudish and restrained victorian era public executions were mass entertainment where train companies would put on special day excursions for the plebs to make a day of it.

Social media hasn't made society worse, it has just made it easier for those who previously had no opportunity to spread their personality far and wide.
All that has happened is the percieved anonymity of the internet has allowed people to drop their filters and show the world what they are really like, unfortunately in many cases underneath the outwardly pleasant shell all you get are shallow narcissistic **** that see someone's misery and hope they are the first out of their group to get to tweet about it.

Menas

The British police have prosecuted people for this. Article below. There was another article where they published pictures of people taking pics as they drove bye a crash scene but i can't find it right now.

I have seen a few crashes over the years and the memories have been hard to erase. Can't fathom why someone would want to record it.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-27455126

whitewave

Trigger Happy wrote: »

I have seen a few crashes over the years and the memories have been hard to erase. Can't fathom why someone would want to record it.

This. I don't see how someone's reaction to a crash or tragic accident could be to pull out their phone to record it?

pragmatic1

I can't even imagine why someone would want to record a child dying. Some sick people about.

Richard tea

Its the age we live in. People record everything. It cannot be stopped. Get over it. Next thing will be a ban on recording in public. Makes my blood boil how over dramatic people get over this.

Gongoozler

While I don't think it's necessarily a new phenomenon, I do think that the invention of the internet has contributed in many ways to this type of thing increasing. We often use the term keyboard warrior on forums, it's because many people have a different view of things online, you can create a different persona, and come across as you like when online. It's also a bit of a buffer between people and reality in the same way - how many of us take less and less notice of gorey and graphic pictures that you see online? We wouldn't have had anywhere near as much exposure to this kind of thing pre-internet, so it's bound to desensitise us at least in part.

When you have the type of person who needs to take a picture of their dinner, and one for every second that they're "having the lols with my bff" on a night out, you're going to get a lot who just more naturally reach for their phone in this same circumstances.

I'm not for one minute condoning the behaviour but I think something is happening between the internet, increased 'sharing', and social medias race for popularity, that contributes to this kind of behaviour, and more importantly how people don't see anything wrong with it.

I'm glad that I don't have this reaction to something like this. I have 2 friends on facebook, and use my twitter for keeping up to date with news mostly, so that may be part of the reason I don't. I suppose, and hope, that I would always react in a way to help, rather than think what a picture I can get. If I see something, my phone comes out straight away...to call 999.

whitewave

Richard tea wrote: »

Its the age we live in. People record everything. It cannot be stopped. Get over it. Next thing will be a ban on recording in public. Makes my blood boil how over dramatic people get over this.

Would it not make your blood boil more to see people recording your loved one(s) at their most vulnerable?

Richard tea

Richard tea wrote: »

Its the age we live in. People record everything. It cannot be stopped. Get over it. Next thing will be a ban on recording in public. Makes my blood boil how over dramatic people get over this.

Well I'd sooner be an empathetic drama queen than a total scumbag.

Richard tea

Richard tea wrote: »

Its the age we live in. People record everything. It cannot be stopped. Get over it. Next thing will be a ban on recording in public. Makes my blood boil how over dramatic people get over this.

When people start getting over obnoxious behaviour and heartless ignorance we're in real trouble. Get over it yourself if you like, nobody with any sense of decency will be getting over it any time soon.

Peoples dying toddlers aren't some strangers update fodder.

Richard tea

whitewave wrote: »

Would it not make your blood boil more to see people recording your loved one(s) at their most vulnerable?

Quite possibly but there is no way of stopping it without a massive invasion on peoples freedoms. What would you do? make a new law? what would be the punishment? I would hazard a guess that most people recording a tragic scene would be under 18 years of age.

michellie

Absolutely sickening.

Also seen someone on Facebook who was at the scene about an hour later posting about it as her status update, giving lots of details about it, I told her it was inappropriate and defriended her. Idiots.

Richard tea

Richard tea wrote: »

Quite possibly but there is no way of stopping it with a massive invasion on peoples freedoms. What would you do? make a new law? what would be the punishment? I would hazard a guess that most people recording a tragic scene would be under 18 years of age.

People should have a right to privacy that supersedes a strangers freedom to violate that privacy.

Its not a 'massive invasion' of anyones freedom to expect them to behave decently.

eviltwin

Richard tea wrote: »

Quite possibly but there is no way of stopping it without a massive invasion on peoples freedoms. What would you do? make a new law? what would be the punishment? I would hazard a guess that most people recording a tragic scene would be under 18 years of age.

You probably can't legally do anything to stop it but we shouldn't have to, its basic human decency ffs! Anyone remember that lady who gave birth outside a branch of Primark in the UK during the summer? The staff had to hold blankets around her to protect her from the camera phones. Wtf is wrong with people???

Vandango

If a friend or family member was in a serious accident and I saw some prick trying to record it. I'd probably end up facing a manslaughter charge.