At last,a Government decision that won't cost a cent.

AlekSmart

Some significant movement on this long running issue today....with a highly unusual coming together of Government Departments resulting in a single Hymn-Sheet preformance....

Take it away Aodhán....

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/traveller-ethnicity-will-be-reality-in-six-months-says-%C3%B3-riord%C3%A1in-1.2005945

Mr Ó Riordáin said yesterday the Department had been in intense communication with other Government departments on the possible cost implications of Traveller ethnic status and it was his belief that there was none.

Good news ?

keano_afc

Does it mean they'll have to pay tax and, you know, contribute to society?

DeadHand

More rights, tax money and less responsibility.

Great news for Travellers- yet another successful scam.

And spare a thought for St.Aodhan who we all know would sooner throw himself under a bus than live within 10 miles of one of those "rich and vibrant" communities he pontificates about.

dinorebel

Was hoping they were bring in a tax on caravans.

iDave

dinorebel wrote: »

Was hoping they were bring in a tax on caravans.

VAT?

dinorebel

iDave wrote: »

VAT?

VAN

BoJack Horseman

keano_afc wrote: »

Does it mean they'll have to pay tax and, you know, contribute to society?

No.

Its just a legal acknowledgement that generations of inbreeding eventually creates ethnic/genetic distinction from the rest of society.

Pumpkinseeds

There's lots of things I could say about this, none of them would be nice or positive and I'd probably get a ban so I'll keep my mouth shut, as tempting as it is to voice an opinion.

SEPT 23 1989

Another reason why Labour will never see power again

BoJack Horseman

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Another reason why Labour will never see power again

Its odd the push to implement this

It was originally a SF policy that the gov appeared to have absorbed & ran with.

SEPT 23 1989

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Its odd the push.

It was originally a SF policy that the gov appeared to have absorbed & ran with.

catching the public mood perfectly i would have thought:D

dodzy

Eh, so whats this all about ?

BoJack Horseman

dodzy wrote: »

Eh, so whats this all about ?

Illegal halting sites will become recognised as legitimate under law.

mikemac1

You can read Pavee Point's submission to Dept of Justice here. It's quite long

Requests for funding for research and projects is a large part of it but sure every quango does that

The employment program to get Roma hired into the Gardai on page 3 caught my eye

Anyway, some light reading for ya and if you don't want to then it's mainly a proposal to include travellers under racism protection legislation and more funding for Pavee Point

SEPT 23 1989

“It will also be a challenge to the Traveller community to bring the positive nature of their community to the fore. I think we can do that together,” said Mr Ó Riordáin

and what would they be exactly?

“long past time for this State to honour our responsibilities

and what about theirs?

“I think it is possibly one of the greatest things we can do to finally celebrate and acknowledge the rich and vibrant culture that the Traveller community have in Ireland and to begin to build bridges between Traveller people and settled people.

Bridges burnt long ago

jimgoose

No-one wants this crap except a bunch of asshole lefty politicos and the usual articles who carve out a living for themselves in the Hand-Wringing industry.

AlekSmart

mikemac1 wrote: »

You can read Pavee Point's submission to Dept of Justice here. It's quite long

Requests for funding for research and projects is a large part of it but sure every quango does that

The employment program to get Roma hired into the Gardai on page 3 caught my eye

Anyway, some light reading for ya and if you don't want to then it's mainly a proposal to include travellers under racism protection legislation and more funding for Pavee Point

Thank's for the linky Mikemac.

It does appear to be a form of empire building,which might not bode well for those most in need of representation or assistance.

I would also be somewhat dubious about this need for protection under "Racism Leglislation",as the Traveller grouping would appear to have quite a degree of such initiatives not enjoyed by the remainder of Irelands citizens ?

It appears to have been somewhat quietly decided at Cabinet,for a move which I believe to be hugely significant and not to be undertaken lightly or in haste.

suicide_circus

jimgoose wrote: »

No-one wants this crap except a bunch of asshole lefty politicos and the usual articles who carve out a living for themselves in the Hand-Wringing industry.

The Hand-Wringing industry in ireland is alive and well, recession proof.

RDM_83 again

Whats the actual problem with this?
Travellers are a distinct culture, they already have advocacy groups and some projects to aid them, I presume this won't prevent people and politicians highlighting the serious issues in the Traveller community.
If anything maybe it will help a more realistic organisation than Pavee Point to form and have some actual progress in improving both their living standards and the issues with the wider community at the same time.
AFAIK they already have this status in the UK and it doesn't stop any Pikey* bashing

*don't card me =-O using in context!

Annasopra

DeadHand wrote: »

More rights, tax money and less responsibility.

Great news for Travellers- yet another successful scam.

And spare a thought for St.Aodhan who we all know would sooner throw himself under a bus than live within 10 miles of one of those "rich and vibrant" communities he pontificates about.

Yeah like he never worked in Sherriff St ffs

DeadHand

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yeah like he never worked in Sherriff St ffs

Amazing.

So, after that he built a house next door to a halting site?

Otherwise my point still stands and yours
still has no relevance.

Boring username

Travellers are to be awarded minority status within 6 months, according to Minister for Equality, Aodhán Ó Riordáin.

It would be “one of the greatest things we can do to finally celebrate and acknowledge the rich and vibrant culture that the Traveller community have in Ireland,” he said.

Should we now award minority status to John Gilligan and his cronies on the basis of this judgement? After all, Gilligan's gang has as much claim to legitimacy as travellers have.

Can someone explain to me what this "rich and vibrant" culture consists of?
Is this something that majority of Irish people want?

I have never marched about anything in my life, but this is one issue I feel we all need to make our voices heard on. It makes a mockery of me, you, and the countless victims of crime, both inside and outside the travelling community.

The option for travellers to contribute to society already exists-it is up to them to take it, and there are many successful examples who have done so. I feel sorry for anyone who is trapped in the medieval culture that seems to persist in pockets on the travelling culture, and I would openly welcome anyone who is trying their best to do well in life, and I'm sure many of you feel the same. But this idea of driving the travelling community further away from integration is fundamentally flawed, and this legislation cannot, and should not be allowed to pass unchallenged.

The problems of the travelling community are predominantly self caused, and it is them alone who must take responsibility for their futures.

NOTE: Please do not resort to smears and labels on this thread, I think it is best that we have an open discussion about this topic.

cloud493

Being a minority doesn't make them above the law, they want respect and friendliness, they earn it, same as literally anyone else.

Don Kedick

Boring username wrote: »

Travellers are to be awarded minority status within 6 months, according to Minister for Equality, Aodhán Ó Riordáin.

It would be “one of the greatest things we can do to finally celebrate and acknowledge the rich and vibrant culture that the Traveller community have in Ireland,” he said.

Should we now award minority status to John Gilligan and his cronies on the basis of this judgement? After all, Gilligan's gang has as much claim to legitimacy as travellers have.

Can someone explain to me what this "rich and vibrant" culture consists of?
Is this something that majority of Irish people want?

I have never marched about anything in my life, but this is one issue I feel we all need to make our voices heard on. It makes a mockery of me, you, and the countless victims of crime, both inside and outside the travelling community.

The option for travellers to contribute to society already exists-it is up to them to take it, and there are many successful examples who have done so. I feel sorry for anyone who is trapped in the medieval culture that seems to persist in pockets on the travelling culture, and I would openly welcome anyone who is trying their best to do well in life, and I'm sure many of you feel the same. But this idea of driving the travelling community further away from integration is fundamentally flawed, and this legislation cannot, and should not be allowed to pass unchallenged.

The problems of the travelling community are predominantly self caused, and it is them alone who must take responsibility for their futures.

NOTE: Please do not resort to smears and labels on this thread, I think it is best that we have an open discussion about this topic.

"NOTE: Please do not resort to smears and labels on this thread, I think it is best that we have an open discussion about this topic."

Hahahhahaha did you read your own post?

Greenmachine

Don Kedick wrote: »

"NOTE: Please do not resort to smears and labels on this thread, I think it is best that we have an open discussion about this topic."

Hahahhahaha did you read your own post?

Don't they have minority status already?. They have a specific mention in the equality legislation.

Ruu

Merged threads.

Mod

the dark phantom

AlekSmart wrote: »

Some significant movement on this long running issue today....with a highly unusual coming together of Government Departments resulting in a single Hymn-Sheet preformance....

Take it away Aodhán....

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/traveller-ethnicity-will-be-reality-in-six-months-says-%C3%B3-riord%C3%A1in-1.2005945



Good news ?

Are you for real ?
Soon as they get the ethnic status then solicitors will have a field day, Councils will be fleeced etc..

And it will be our money, Not theirs !!!
Good news my ass.

looksee

Its all a deep plot to distract people from the water charges.

The Th!ng

Before going any further with this Mr Ó Riordáin should have a chat with Padraig Nally.

AlekSmart

Greenmachine wrote: »

Don't they have minority status already?. They have a specific mention in the equality legislation.

This is an issue I would have concerns over.

The current Traveller Specific provisions already give them a level of added protection denied other Citizens generally,with little justification save for a long running and debateable issue over access to Licenced Premises at events.

Personally,I would much prefer the State to protect ALL of it's citizens equally,rather than setting up small scale reverse apartheit situations.

whisky_galore

Pffft, like granting people from Carlow or people who like cats separate ethnic status.

Does it still count if you're a 'settled traveller' or descendants of intermarriages with settled people and haven't owned a caravan in generations?

_Kaiser_

So seriously - is there anyone who thinks this bloody politically correct, responsibility-shirking, think-of-the-children nonsense is a good thing?? We've culturally regressed to a society of toddlers depending on "someone else" to do, decide, and take responsibility for everything in our lives.

As someone who grew up in the 70s/80s and was taught about responsibility and respect (for others, myself, property, laws) this sort of crap really annoys me!

If travellers - or ANY other group - want respect then they have to earn it and integrate and contribute positively to their community and society as a whole. This shyte of bending over backwards to accommodate every "minority" (and usually at the expense of everyone else) is utterly ridiculous at this stage.

MRnotlob606

If similar comments here were attributed to members of another ethnic group (Islam) this thread would of been gone long ago.

_Kaiser_

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

If similar comments here were attributed to members of another ethnic group (Islam) this thread would of been gone long ago.

And that's part of the problem...

Certain elements of society have decided that certain topics/groups/opinions are just not to be discussed at all, regardless of how valid the points raised may actually be.

Not agreeing with something != racism/xenophobia/whatever other term used to deflect from the point being made

It's funny really.. in that sense we're just as restricted/censored as a lot of countries/cultures we (as in "modern" Western societies) look down on.

DeadHand

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

If similar comments here were attributed to members of another ethnic group (Islam) this thread would of been gone long ago.

Islam is a global religion, not an ethnic group.

If a section of society who also happened to be mostly adherents of Islam was causing as many problems as sections of the Travelling community do they'd come in for the same criticism.