Halal meat

Lau2976

I wasn't really 100% sure where to post this so if its suited better somewhere else please move it mods

I was curious as to peoples opinion of Halal meat?

suicide_circus

Taysht

Badly Drunk Boy

It's meaty.

Kevin McCloud

Depends on how its cooked.

Arsemageddon

Halal pork is the bees-knees.

thee glitz

I avoid them places.

Lau2976

I should have been much more specific. This is AH afterall :rolleyes:

What do people think of Halal meat ethically?

Lau2976

thee glitz wrote: »

I avoid them places.

Why?

Arsemageddon

Lau2976 wrote: »

I should have been much more specific. This is AH afterall :rolleyes:

What do people think of Halal meat ethically?

From an ethical point of view it's both meaty and tasty.

thee glitz

Lau2976 wrote: »

Why?

Because animal cruelty, it's a bit disgusting.

FTA69

Nearly all the meat I eat is halal. It tastes exactly the same as normal meat of the same quality.

Lau2976

thee glitz wrote: »

Because animal cruelty, it's a bit disgusting.

I agree totally and avoid as well. I found that sometimes when I air my views I'm called intolerant and was wondering if my views were shared by anybody.

Victor

Lau2976 wrote: »

I wasn't really 100% sure where to post this so if its suited better somewhere else please move it mods

I was curious as to peoples opinion of Halal meat?

What's your opinion?

Lau2976

Victor wrote: »

What's your opinion?

Personally I disagree with Halal meat and avoid it completely. I don't agree with the method of slaughtering animals under halal guidelines.

RobYourBuilder

Lau2976 wrote: »

Personally I disagree with Halal meat and avoid it completely. I don't agree with the method of slaughtering animals under halal guidelines.

Do you get Indian takeout? Chances are it's halal.

Go to Subway in Ballsbridge? It's halal.

Go to a Kebab shop? Probably halal.

Lapin

Lau2976 wrote: »

I was curious as to peoples opinion of Halal meat?

Nothing wrong with it OP.

Its 100% Kosher.

Tokyo

I don't have an issue with it, ethically or otherwise.

Arsemageddon

Lapin wrote: »

Nothing wrong with it OP.

Its 100% Kosher.

Most kosher butchers in Ireland and the UK stock Halal meat

Lau2976

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Do you get Indian takeout? Chances are it's halal.

Go to Subway in Ballsbridge? It's halal.

Go to a Kebab shop? Probably halal.

Nope, I'm not very good with spicy food and I have a bit of a bland taste so it's usually pub grub or european cuisine for me.

Also no, my local subway is not halal, and even if it were I only eat pork there.

as above I don't eat that type of food, I would prefer a sandwhich to a kebab anyday

deco nate

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057206553/1/#post90305620

This was asked earlier this year, a lot of posts.
Worth a read

thee glitz

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Do you get Indian takeout? Chances are it's halal.

Go to Subway in Ballsbridge? It's halal.

Go to a Kebab shop? Probably halal.

I don't do any of these. There's some places you can go where most takeaways are halal

Packrat

I choose NOT to support barbaric medieval practices carried out in the name of non - existent sky faries or the fcuktards who profit from them.

FTA69

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Most kosher butchers in Ireland and the UK stock Halal meat

Muslims can eat Kosher meat as well as Halal as a matter of standard.

whatdoicare

I used to work in a chicken restaurant that served Halal chicken - the poor chicken that came into us was always very battered and bruised with broken bones and sometimes missing limbs.

I always wondered if the bruising was done after death or before death but it always looked like the chickens were battered to death!

Regular butchered chicken we used to get in for a different restaurant was always bruise and break free and they always had all their limbs so the bruising is not a thing that happens as standard.

Oh and the chicken was always full of blood - it used to take a lot of heavy duty washing to clean it all out or else it dyed the chicken pink which remained after cooking, making cooked chicken look raw!!

I would try to avoid places that serve it.

The Th!ng

Marinate it in Irish Whiskey overnight before cooking it.

RobYourBuilder

thee glitz wrote: »

I don't do any of these. There's some places you can go where most takeaways are halal

I asked for a blt in the Subway in Ballsbridge and they tried to give me turkey bacon. F*ck that. I wonder why there is a halal Subway in Ballsbridge. It's not like the area has that many muslims.

Lapin

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Most kosher butchers in Ireland and the UK stock Halal meat

Good !


Now if only we could get the ones in London to stock proper Black Puddin too....

ceadaoin.

I think it's a bit hypocritical for a meat eater to get up in arms about the ethics of halal meat tbh. Halal or not, the animals aren't treated humanely.

I do eat meat now (lapsed vegetarian ) but I'm under no illusions as to how it gets on my plate.

Lau2976

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I think it's a bit hypocritical for a meat eater to get up in arms about the ethics of halal meat tbh. Halal or not, the animals aren't treated humanely.

I do eat meat now (lapsed vegetarian ) but I'm under no illusions as to how it gets on my plate.

I disagree. I was vegan for a number of years but lapsed because of a health issue. I personally feel guilty for eating meat but the least I can do is try my hardest to ensure the meat I'm eating came from an animal who's suffering was as minimal as possible

Karl Stein

Lau2976 wrote: »

Nope, I'm not very good with spicy food and I have a bit of a bland taste so it's usually pub grub or european cuisine for me.

Also no, my local subway is not halal, and even if it were I only eat pork there.

as above I don't eat that type of food, I would prefer a sandwhich to a kebab anyday

I think you're lying.

Lau2976

Karl Stein wrote: »

I think you're lying.

About the type of food I prefer?

ceadaoin.

Lau2976 wrote: »

I disagree. I was vegan for a number of years but lapsed because of a health issue. I personally feel guilty for eating meat but the least I can do is try my hardest to ensure the meat I'm eating came from an animal who's suffering was as minimal as possible

I feel guilty too. I always buy free range eggs and try to buy free range chicken and grass fed beef whenever possible. At least those animals possibly had a better quality of life. The killing of the animals seems pretty horrific either way to me and I try not to think about it.

Karl Stein

Lau2976 wrote: »

About the type of food I prefer?

No. I think you're lying about your rigorous avoiding of halal/kosher meat.

You eat meat. You don't have a problem with animals being killed for you to eat.

Lapin

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Do you get Indian takeout? Chances are it's halal.

Go to Subway in Ballsbridge? It's halal.

Go to a Kebab shop? Probably halal.

Exactly

Meat is meat.

And the vast majority of us love our meat.

At least you know where you stand with a dead animal burger.

I don't care if my steak has been hacked to smithereens by Muslims, Jews, or Holy Marys as long as I'm not hungry.

Food is food and to hell with any religion that gets in your way.

Ask your God to come up with a new, hot, and seedless mustard that burns the back of my tonsils like never before and I'll give you the best bacon sandwich ever known.

Fuck Halal, Kosher, and not being allowed to eat a rasher on Good Friday.

Who owns your life ?

lanos

Students be aware
Eden restaurant in University of Limerick serves Halal

https://www.facebook.com/ULInternational/posts/577201768971300

Smiles35

Saw an eskimo on tv and he had a handy way to dispach a raindeer from his herd to eat. Went into the spinal cord near the neck and the animal seemed to have a peacefull departure.

Lau2976

Karl Stein wrote: »

No. I think you're lying about your rigorous avoiding of halal/kosher meat.

You eat meat. You don't have a problem with animals being killed for you to eat.

It's hardly "rigorous" as I mentioned above I was vegan until recently this year, I'm used to being mindful
If what I eat and still avoid diary. I'm used to asking what's in food and tend not to eat out. It seemed pointless going to order a bowl of chips as I salads in places are often pre-tossed with dressing.

And even if I wasn't, I mainly eat pork when I eat meat, I've had beef once, at home, since reverting to being an omnivore and chicken wouldn't be much more ( I find it too dry! Bleh). I also tend not to eat out because it's a HEALTH issue. A greasy battered sausage is not what the dr ordered!

Personally I do, and I am looking into alternatives to allow me to return to veganism. But I'm not planning on being a martyr for the cause! And until such a time where I can return to veganism and not get extremely illI will be forced to ignore my guilt and eat meat.

If I wanted to pretend to be morally superior, or for whatever others reason you think I'm lying for, I would have lied and said I was still vegan.

eire-kp

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I feel guilty too. I always buy free range eggs and try to buy free range chicken and grass fed beef whenever possible. At least those animals possibly had a better quality of life. The killing of the animals seems pretty horrific either way to me and I try not to think about it.

Having grown up on a farm and often visited slaughterhouses/meat factories which killed the conventional way such as stunning or a captive bolt. I also seen the Halal method overseas. strung up, throat slit and left to bleed out.

I know which I choose for my stock. A good comment above about grass fed stock, 95% of Irish farmers take great care of their livestock, in fact I know most could be accused of becoming too attached to them e.g. keeping an old favourite ewe when she is long past the stage of rearing a pair of lambs without assistance.
Compared to farming overseas where most animals are just seen as a number and a profit margin.

Links to UK factfiles (No pictures or videos, but really for anyone to have an opinion on the methods they should look at some Youtube video clips)
http://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/factfile
http://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter

Egginacup

Lau2976 wrote: »

I wasn't really 100% sure where to post this so if its suited better somewhere else please move it mods

I was curious as to peoples opinion of Halal meat?

It's the exact same as non-halal meat.

CrazyRabbit

I had a discussion about this with a Muslim and he was saying how Kosher meat unethical because of how the 'sick Jews' slaughter the animal.

So I asked him what was different. Turns out that the only difference is where the neck is cut, either the side (dies from blood loss) or the front (suffocates to death).

I find both equally abhorrent.

UCDVet

Ethically - I think it's incredibly wrong to eat halal meat. For meat to be halal, it *must* come from an animal that is killed by a Muslim.

That's incredibly close minded. Imagine if I were to refuse food if a Christian had not prepared it. Or refuse to eat food that was prepared by a Muslim? What is the implication here, that non-Muslims are dirty, unclean, and not be trusted in the preparation of meat.

I'm all for respecting people religion, but this goes beyond respect. It's disrespectful to all other religions. If I were to say, 'Oh - you REALLY should try this sandwich shop - all of it's employees are atheist!' How ridiculous would that be?

I believe in freedom of religion, but halal meat creates an industry that requires zero freedom of religion. If you want the job - you MUST be Muslim.

Tokyo

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Turns out that the only difference is where the neck is cut, either the side (dies from blood loss) or the front (suffocates to death)..

Well that's patently untrue.


"The act is performed by severing the trachea, esophagus, carotid arteries, jugular veins and vagus nerve in a swift action using an extremely sharp blade....

...this results in a rapid drop in blood pressure in the brain and loss of consciousness rendering the animal insensible to pain and to exsanguinate in a prompt and precise action."

Lau2976

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

I had a discussion about this with a Muslim and he was saying how Kosher meat unethical because of how the 'sick Jews' slaughter the animal.

So I asked him what was different. Turns out that the only difference is where the neck is cut, either the side (dies from blood loss) or the front (suffocates to death).

I find both equally abhorrent.

I totally agree with kosher meat, I was interested in finding out about Halal because a few places have popped up that only serve it.

Lau2976

mike_ie wrote: »

Well that's patently untrue.


"The act is performed by severing the trachea, esophagus, carotid arteries, jugular veins and vagus nerve in a swift action using an extremely sharp blade....

...this results in a rapid drop in blood pressure in the brain and loss of consciousness rendering the animal insensible to pain and to exsanguinate in a prompt and precise action."

It depends on what sources you take though. Kosher slaughter is often botched and the animal is left in agony for anywhere from 2-8 minutes.

And when it isn't botched it still isn't conclusively proven that they feel no pain, they just are unable to show signs of distress or moo.

Lau2976

UCDVet wrote: »

Ethically - I think it's incredibly wrong to eat halal meat. For meat to be halal, it *must* come from an animal that is killed by a Muslim.

That's incredibly close minded. Imagine if I were to refuse food if a Christian had not prepared it. Or refuse to eat food that was prepared by a Muslim? What is the implication here, that non-Muslims are dirty, unclean, and not be trusted in the preparation of meat.

I'm all for respecting people religion, but this goes beyond respect. It's disrespectful to all other religions. If I were to say, 'Oh - you REALLY should try this sandwich shop - all of it's employees are atheist!' How ridiculous would that be?

I believe in freedom of religion, but halal meat creates an industry that requires zero freedom of religion. If you want the job - you MUST be Muslim.

That is another issue when food is prepared to fit to religious specifications.

UCDVet

Lau2976 wrote: »

That is another issue when food is prepared to fit to religious specifications.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I thought that was what 'Halal' meant?

Tokyo

Lau2976 wrote: »

It depends on what sources you take though. Kosher slaughter is often botched and the animal is left in agony for anywhere from 2-8 minutes.

And when it isn't botched it still isn't conclusively proven that they feel no pain, they just are unable to show signs of distress or moo.

Exactly the same can be said of captive bolt, used in every slaughterhouse here.

The_Valeyard

is this thread going to make me hungry?

zombieHanalei

Never really got this outrage with Halal style execution, it's gruesome, but having worked in a meat factory for a few months a long time ago I can say that so called "humane" methods of slaughter are far from what I'd call humane.

There's a bit of a double standard in objecting to the method of slaughter on cruelty grounds while overlooking the cruelty of mass producing animals in order for us to consume their carcasses in the first place. I'm pretty sure the animal doesn't want to die be that in a humane or inhumane way; "I'm happy to consume the flesh of an animal and overlook it's right to life, but any mention of slitting it's throat and all of a sudden I care deeply about the animal"

Dial Hard

Lau2976 wrote: »

And even if I wasn't, I mainly eat pork when I eat meat.

If you're trying to be an ethical meat-eater, and I genuinely believe you when you say you are, you should be aware that most Irish pork is extremely intensively reared. There are a few free-range producers, and they're well worth checking out if you're actively trying to be an ethical omnivore.

I love meat, but I feel very strongly about the way my food is treated before it gets to my plate. Not all meat is created equal.

Lau2976

Dial Hard wrote: »

If you're trying to be an ethical meat-eater, and I genuinely believe you when you say you are, you should be aware that most Irish pork is extremely intensively reared. There are a few free-range producers, and they're well worth checking out if you're actively trying to be an ethical omnivore.

I love meat, but I feel very strongly about the way my food is treated before it gets to my plate. Not all meat is created equal.

I'm lucky enough to get my meat off a fully transparent farmer. But I may look in to those too thanks

Exactly