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  • 05-11-2014 9:30am
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭


    Hello

    first of all, I want to apologise for my ignorance on the matter of mortgages, I dont really know much about them.

    Myself and the wife are looking to get a mortgage, she already has one and a good chunk paid off on it too. I can go in to more details here but for now, will leave it at that. Both of us bank with AIB

    My question is : high level who is best to give mortgages in this day and age ? ( ebs, aib, ulster etc )


    Or does it all depend on personal circumstances


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    Or does it all depend on personal circumstances

    in a nutshell you have your answer already


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    in a nutshell you have your answer already

    Thanks, so no real good lender over another as such.


    Very High level on a house of 300,000, what would the ball park fees be for

    > estate agent
    > solicitor
    > stamp duty

    Any other fees I am missing ? snag list person etc etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Thanks, so no real good lender over another as such.


    Very High level on a house of 300,000, what would the ball park fees be for

    > estate agent
    > solicitor
    > stamp duty

    Any other fees I am missing ? snag list person etc etc

    Solicitor should be at the lower end of 1000-1500 ex vat.
    Stamp duty is 1%.
    Valuation is 100-150
    Building Survey somewhere around 300-350.

    As regards the mortgage, shop around. And if you can get a decent advisor/broker, get one. It's just easier. Well, in my limited experience.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    Solicitor should be at the lower end of 1000-1500 ex vat.
    Stamp duty is 1%.
    Valuation is 100-150
    Building Survey somewhere around 300-350.

    As regards the mortgage, shop around. And if you can get a decent advisor/broker, get one. It's just easier. Well, in my limited experience.

    perfect reply. thanks

    what do you mean by valuation ?

    Is this another person that has to be engaged - what does he do exactly ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,170 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The bank will insist on an independent valuation to make sure you're not wildly overpaying and that the asset the loan will be secured on is reliable. They'll give you a list of acceptable valuers in the area.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    The bank want a valuation to see tha tthe house is worth what you're proposing to pay for it. Yes, it's another person you need to engage. They assess the house visually and estimate its value and forward their report to the bank.

    Most banks will have a panel of valuers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    thanks all, another lad to engage so.

    as far as I am aware, there are 3 high level types of Mortgages now

    fixed
    variable
    tracker

    Is the tracker going away in 2015 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Trackers are no longer available and haven't been for some time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Probable best to engage a mortgage advisor/broker or the whole application process could take a looooong time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    Probable best to engage a mortgage advisor/broker or the whole application process could take a looooong time.


    are you saying that based on the fact that I don't know much about things ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    are you saying that based on the fact that I don't know much about things ?

    Well, yes but it doesn't take much to cause delays and having seen friends go through stupid delays, it just helps when you have someone just tell you what to provide and then run through the different type of mortgages and give you a better idea of what they mean in reality with respect to repayments


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    thanks.

    Again, very high level, if I was to get a mortgage of 300,000 euro, at the end of the day roughly how much am I paying back with everything included, will it be roughly 500,000 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    thanks.

    Again, very high level, if I was to get a mortgage of 300,000 euro, at the end of the day roughly how much am I paying back with everything included, will it be roughly 500,000 ?

    Depends on the interest rate and the term. But I wouldn't expect much, if any, change out of 500k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Citizenpain


    thanks.

    Again, very high level, if I was to get a mortgage of 300,000 euro, at the end of the day roughly how much am I paying back with everything included, will it be roughly 500,000 ?


    http://www.mortgages.ie will give you an indication of the repayments .... no affiliation


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    Depends on the interest rate and the term. But I wouldn't expect much, if any, change out of 500k.


    very expensive, one of my friends got a 700,000 mortgage lately, he must me mad !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    very expensive, one of my friends got a 700,000 mortgage lately, he must me mad !!

    The level of repayments is far more relevant than the total that you have to pay back.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    The level of repayments is far more relevant than the total that you have to pay back.

    indeed.

    but I suppose what I need to keep in my head is that if I get a loan of 300,000 for a house, I am in fact paying back a loan of roughly 500,000


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    very expensive, one of my friends got a 700,000 mortgage lately, he must me mad !!

    That really is high level !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    indeed.

    but I suppose what I need to keep in my head is that if I get a loan of 300,000 for a house, I am in fact paying back a loan of roughly 500,000

    Not really.

    What you need to keep in mind is what a 300k mortgage over X years will mean in terms of repayments because that's the only way you'll be able to gauge whether it's too much or not. You compare potential repayments wioth income and expenditure and particularly rent that you may be paying at the minute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Citizenpain


    indeed.

    but I suppose what I need to keep in my head is that if I get a loan of 300,000 for a house, I am in fact paying back a loan of roughly 500,000

    time value of money .... its not that bad


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    time value of money .... its not that bad


    indeed, but I still think basic houses especially in Dublin are way overpriced. but suppose its all about the 3 L's


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    Depends on how long you take to pay it back, and your interest rate of course. Overpay when you can is the trick to mortgages.

    300,000 @ 4.2% over 30 years = repayment total of €528,138.00. Monthly repayment €1,467.05
    300,000 @ 4.2% over 25 years = repayment total of €485,049.00. Monthly replayment €1,616.83
    300,000 @ 4.2% over 20 years = repayment total of €443,930.40. Monthly repayment €1,849.71


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    pwurple wrote: »
    Depends on how long you take to pay it back, and your interest rate of course. Overpay when you can is the trick to mortgages.

    300,000 @ 4.2% over 30 years = repayment total of €528,138.00. Monthly repayment €1,467.05
    300,000 @ 4.2% over 25 years = repayment total of €485,049.00. Monthly replayment €1,616.83
    300,000 @ 4.2% over 20 years = repayment total of €443,930.40. Monthly repayment €1,849.71


    Thanks great example, and just the high level kinda stuff im looking for to get my head round things


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    MouseTail wrote: »
    Trackers are no longer available and haven't been for some time.


    Thanks. What do you mean by some time - How long you talking about like ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Citizenpain


    Do you remember the "I don't know what a tracker mortgage is " adverts ....?

    That long :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Withdrawn since about 2009.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    Grand
    So essentially only 2 types of mortgage now yeah. Fixed and variable rate or is there something else that I am blissfully unaware of ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Citizenpain


    Also might be different rates in each depending on what you are borrowing compared to the value of the house .. Less than 80% would have a better interest rate


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    Is a mortgage broker essentially a person that goes off to all the banks and lending institutions and gets the best mortgage that he can for you ?

    How much roughly does this service cost ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Is a mortgage broker essentially a person that goes off to all the banks and lending institutions and gets the best mortgage that he can for you ?

    How much roughly does this service cost ?

    Should be free.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    Should be free.


    sure they are hardly going to do it for nothing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    They get paid their commission from the bank.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    sure they are hardly going to do it for nothing

    Its not you that pays them


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    Its not you that pays them

    grand, fair enough.Thanks


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    and is the the job of a mortgage broker to gather all your information about earnings savings etc and to get the best mortgage that he can for you ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭grahamor


    and is the the job of a mortgage broker to gather all your information about earnings savings etc and to get the best mortgage that he can for you ?

    They will basically tell you whats needed and you send directly to them along with a few documents from different banks. They do the rest.

    P60 from previous year
    3 months salary statements
    6 months credit card statements
    6 months savings statements
    Salary certificate
    etc....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    grahamor wrote: »
    They will basically tell you whats needed and you send directly to them along with a few documents from different banks. They do the rest.

    P60 from previous year
    3 months salary statements
    6 months credit card statements
    6 months savings statements
    Salary certificate
    etc....


    Thanks very much.

    And regarding the surveyor that does the snag list. ..... if he found a major structural problem, wood the whole sale be canceled ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Citizenpain


    Thanks very much.

    And regarding the surveyor that does the snag list. ..... if he found a major structural problem, wood the whole sale be canceled ?

    That'd be up to you


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    ok. so what is the norm what this surveyor thing. He comes in....... finds a few things wrong. ...... presume to a value of roughly 2 or 3 k ?

    And then it's up to the buyer to fix these issues after the sale - is that the way it normally works ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Citizenpain


    ok. so what is the norm what this surveyor thing. He comes in....... finds a few things wrong. ...... presume to a value of roughly 2 or 3 k ?

    And then it's up to the buyer to fix these issues after the sale - is that the way it normally works ?

    He/she might put a value on it ..or might just make the observation . You either fix yourself if you choose to go ahead or renegotiate .. Surveyors reports are not very detailed really


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