Charging station for second hand leaf

Tonto67

Since the esb will not provide free home chargers for purchasers of second hand EVs, how are people getting around this? I can't seem to find a supplier of the unit itself to allow one to have an electrician fit it privately.

Tonto67

Tonto67 wrote: »

Since the esb will not provide free home chargers for purchasers of second hand EVs, how are people getting around this? I can't seem to find a supplier of the unit itself to allow one to have an electrician fit it privately.

you could try these http://www.carra.ie/go/products/electric_vehicle_charging


I would imagine the esb would install the home evse if you're paying for it.

galwaytt

colleague of mine just ordered the ESVE in from the States.

reboot

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you could try these http://www.carra.ie/go/products/electric_vehicle_charging


I would imagine the esb would install the home evse if you're paying for it.

I believe that if ESB supply a free home CP it will supply 16 Amp. if you are having one fitted and paying for it , go for 32 Amp.Joe Mc Carthy on irishevowners does a fine job.

They won't install it beyond 10 meters or it will cost more.

It will cost more for the 32 amp cable regardless.

I don't think they'll install a 32 amp one.

kdouglas

Check out http://www.mcc-energy.com/ or look at buying one online and having a local electrician install it.

A tethered evse might be worth considering, save having to pull a cable out of the boot.

Spend more on the 6 kw evse only if your car has a 6 kw charger.

Ask the spark what cable to get and run it yourself, mount the evse to the wall and all the spark will have to do is connect it either end.

kdouglas

Deleted User wrote: »

A tethered evse might be worth considering, save having to pull a cable out of the boot.

Yes, definitely, tethered charge point is the way to go.

reboot

Deleted User wrote: »

you could try these http://www.carra.ie/go/products/electric_vehicle_charging


I would imagine the esb would install the home evse if you're paying for it.

Surely if you are paying for it go for 32 Amp@
I believe if they install a free one, part of the deal is monitoring facility over mobile network, that's the deal up North, you must have at least 2G.

kdouglas

reboot wrote: »

Surely if you are paying for it go for 32 Amp@
I believe if they install a free one, part of the deal is monitoring facility over mobile network, that's the deal up North, you must have at least 2G.

Don't have one of the free charge points myself, but I don't think there is any monitoring done with the ESB supplied ones.

September1

Get outside socket and granny cable aka 10A EVSE. They cost few hundread euros, but you can use them anywhere. You might want to check their cost with other car makers, as long as it is J1772 you would be good.

The Granny cable is good but if you're getting an outside socket you may as well just get it done right to begin with and get the proper EVSE be it 16 or 32 amps.

Find out what cable you need, measure what you need, install it from the consumer unit to the place you want it outside yourself, mount the evse to the wall and get the spark to terminate it either end.

Either way it will pay you back pretty quick if you're saving on petrol or diesel.

The "granny" cable wasn't designed to be the primary means of charging the Leaf.

LeBash

galwaytt wrote: »

colleague of mine just ordered the ESVE in from the States.

Did this work out? In the US and Japan they are using the type 1 plug and in Europe we are using type 2. Just interested.

reboot

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They won't install it beyond 10 meters or it will cost more.

It will cost more for the 32 amp cable regardless.

I don't think they'll install a 32 amp one.

Joe installed one for me.?,I don't know anything re ESB,but if you are paying for it?,then there is the mobile monitoring to consider.

reboot

reboot wrote: »

Joe installed one for me.?,I don't know anything re ESB,but if you are paying for it?,then there is the mobile monitoring to consider.

Mobile monitoring ? For what ?

No I was told by installer 32 amp evse is extra and 32 amp cable is extra and if over 10. Meters forget it, it is a long way to go from front to back yard, pig of a route, major pita. Typicle

reboot

Deleted User wrote: »

Mobile monitoring ? For what ?

No I was told by installer 32 amp evse is extra and 32 amp cable is extra and if over 10. Meters forget it, it is a long way to go from front to back yard, pig of a route, major pita. Typicle

Sorry,I can only speak to the system in the North as it applies at present.
Ecarni will supply a free CP at home which is 32 A.They have a list of suppliers and I chose Fusion,Joe Mc (Facebook group).He told me the CP ,like the street CPs, require a 2 or 3G mobile connection to allow for the system to monitor your use. No mobile signal, no CP.

I'm confused, why would you want to monitor your home evse ?

You can control charging from the mobile app or timer in the car ?

reboot

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I'm confused, why would you want to monitor your home evse ?

You can control charging from the mobile app or timer in the car ?

Sorry, its not my intention to confuse.
As far as the Ecarni literature goes, they make it clear that permission must be given for a monitoring process as part of the deals.
I am told that the EBG 22Kva CPs have multiple mobile network Tx built in,ie they with transmit data on any network they find in the area.
With the Renault deal in the UK,a free home 32A CP is supplied and fitted by British Gas, (They have one Engineer for all of Ireland).He (Jeremy told me that he would only fit the home CP if a mobile signal for monitoring purposes could be found. You raise a good point in terms of who is monitoring what?, as far as the Zoe is concerned, the display on the dash will ask you to give permission for data to be retrieved from the car. The Zoe can have various software updates as you drive along,and I have lost the radio reception as this is happening. Renault may also prevent the car from charging if the bill is not paid. Makes Sky downloads look like the Cats Whisker.

mr.dunkey

A EVSE that can be communicated with can be helpful, it can be set up to allow you to start/finish charging, how much kws you've used, send live reports if a fault occurs.
Not all electric ,PHEV cars have phone apps.

reboot

mr.dunkey wrote: »

A EVSE that can be communicated with can be helpful, it can be set up to allow you to start/finish charging, how much kws you've used, send live reports if a fault occurs.
Not all electric ,PHEV cars have phone apps.

How many faults have you tried to report and how many times have they called you back? The system from the North is not fit for purpose,and when they start charging for the electricity it may be better to charge at home and leave the infrastructure to its own devices?

mr.dunkey

reboot wrote: »

How many faults have you tried to report and how many times have they called you back? The system from the North is not fit for purpose,and when they start charging for the electricity it may be better to charge at home and leave the infrastructure to its own devices?

My answer was in reference to the question about being able to communicate with a home EVSE not public charge point

mr.dunkey

reboot wrote: »

How many faults have you tried to report and how many times have they called you back? The system from the North is not fit for purpose,and when they start charging for the electricity it may be better to charge at home and leave the infrastructure to its own devices?

My answer was in reference to the question about being able to communicate with a home EVSE not public charge point

mr.dunkey

reboot wrote: »

How many faults have you tried to report and how many times have they called you back? The system from the North is not fit for purpose,and when they start charging for the electricity it may be better to charge at home and leave the infrastructure to its own devices?

My answer was in reference to the question about being able to communicate with a home EVSE not public charge point

reboot

mr.dunkey wrote: »

My answer was in reference to the question about being able to communicate with a home EVSE not public charge point

Yes I know,just taking the opportunity to expand the discussion into infrastructure in general, sorry forget it.

mr.dunkey

reboot wrote: »

Yes I know,just taking the opportunity to expand the discussion into infrastructure in general, sorry forget it.

If you want to chat about infrastructure in general, no problem, i was just explaining my post:rolleyes:

There needs to be a proper communication system linked with all CPs. I dont know why these put Cps worth 1000s of euro/pound in and have no reliable IT remote system.

reboot

mr.dunkey wrote: »

If you want to chat about infrastructure in general, no problem, i was just explaining my post:rolleyes:

There needs to be a proper communication system linked with all CPs. I don't know why these put Cps worth 1000s of euro/pound in and have no reliable IT remote system .

I totally agree, but as posted above the 2 and 3G Txs do send monitoring info, However there are People involved when a fault is reported, that's when in my experience over the last 2 years, the infrastructure falls down massively.
Thanks for your interest,you may feel the frustration over the threads. I think you would not find anyone prepared to change the system, its sadly too late, and you don't need the hassle.

oinkely

Hi Folks,

Can anyone give me a rough cost for installing a home charge point - or even point me in the direction of where I might price the components?

When my wife's car (an 02 scenic) gives up the ghost we will most likely get a second hand leaf. Our budget could just about stretch to a used 2011 model so we will ahve to sort out the home charging station ourselves.

Want to get an idea of the cost so I can factor it in when the time comes.

cheers

Oink

September1

It does not make sense to invest in charging point for older LEAFs as difference between charging on granny cable and home charger is very small - and if you have granny cable you can take it with you everywhere. If you buy LEAF that was first sold in UK it will include granny cable.

oinkely

Thanks September1, that is very useful information as I do have an outside socket already.

I reckon it will be the UK when the time comes as there are a lot more options there and with no VRT the price is similar or a small bit better.

mr.dunkey

I was using my a Granny cable for awhile, but now got a home EVSE 16amp installed. It's a tethered unit.it charges faster and not having to constantly put cable in and out if boot is great. They're are used ones for sale,just need to keep checking online local adds etc

cros13

http://nuworldenergy.co.uk/shop/ev-charge-points.html/home-charge-points.html/wallpod-ev:-homecharge-32amp-type-2-universal-socket

£396 incl. of VAT.

I have one of these Rolec 32A chargers, one of the ZCW 32A units and the not so great ESB 16A charger.

Any electrician who can fit an outdoor socket can fit one of these and they have a built in RCBO for safety. Make sure your ground connection is good and use an minimum of 3x6 AWG cable but preferably use 3x8 (I used 3x10 in case I want/need a heavier duty charger in the future).

Neither of the two installs cost more than €200 including parts.

I'm strongly against the idea of fitting tethered EVSEs. You don't know what connector your next car will use and the cable itself is a major reliability issue.

mr.dunkey

396 GBP isnt cheap, when you convert it to euro then postage is another 40 e to Ireland. But still cheaper than what a spark quoted to supply and fit one 1250e.
There is a used on on donedeal
http://cars.donedeal.ie/carparts-for-sale/electric-car-charging-station-nissan-leaf/9048123?offset=2

Hopefully someone might start manufacturing affordable version of home EVSE.

A electrician will run a feed from your fuseboard, 16amp permanent appliance should be on its own circuit. you can run the cable yourself they just need to terminate it.

cros13

mr.dunkey wrote: »

396 GBP isnt cheap, when you convert it to euro then postage is another 40 e to Ireland. But still cheaper than what a spark quoted to supply and fit one 1250e.
There is a used on on donedeal
http://cars.donedeal.ie/carparts-for-sale/electric-car-charging-station-nissan-leaf/9048123?offset=2

Hopefully someone might start manufacturing affordable version of home EVSE.

A electrician will run a feed from your fuseboard, 16amp permanent appliance should be on its own circuit. you can run the cable yourself they just need to terminate it.

I used parcelmotel to cut a few euro off the delivery. If you have your own business or use your vehicle for a work related purpose you can maybe claim the VAT back.

Those Rolec units have come down in price quite a bit. When I got my ZCW EVSE last august the rolecs were almost £800. The bigger the market the more the prices will come down, they're not complicated devices.

mr.dunkey

cros13 wrote: »

I used parcelmotel to cut a few euro off the delivery. If you have your own business or use your vehicle for a work related purpose you can maybe claim the VAT back.

Those Rolec units have come down in price quite a bit. When I got my ZCW EVSE last august the rolecs were almost £800. The bigger the market the more the prices will come down, they're not complicated devices.

There are two companies that sell Rolec units in Ireland, Might save on sterling change and delivery.
http://www.mcc-energy.com/A-New-Anglo-Irish-EV-Charging-Partnership
http://theevcompany.com/

cros13

mr.dunkey wrote: »

There are two companies that sell Rolec units in Ireland, Might save on sterling change and delivery.
http://www.mcc-energy.com/A-New-Anglo-Irish-EV-Charging-Partnership
http://theevcompany.com/

Looked at both, cheapest is around €100 more expensive than importing from the UK through parcelmotel. For the same charger.

mr.dunkey

I seen theEVcompany.com are doing PodPoint units for 400e delivered, Don't think anyone will beat that. The uk used to be cheaper before the euro took a dive.

cros13

mr.dunkey wrote: »

I seen theEVcompany.com are doing PodPoint units for 400e delivered, Don't think anyone will beat that. The uk used to be cheaper before the euro took a dive.

That's the same 2nd hand unit that they have on adverts. They only have one unit so it's not a fair comparison.

mr.dunkey

The add on adverts says only one but the website has New Pod points and now Rolecs for sale for 400-450 euro, think that's the best I can see around. you may pick up a better deal on ebay, but a lot of items have no return policy and you may be stuck with a Dud.

The charge point will, compared to petrol/diesel pay back itself in no time.

Dardania

Has anyone any experience with charging on street outside their house?
My house has on street parking only - woul dneed to run the cable across the path if I were to get an EV
I feel a simple solution woul dbe to slice a small channel in the path to put the cable in each time, but not sure the CC woul dbe deligthed with me...

cros13

Dardania wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with charging on street outside their house?
My house has on street parking only - woul dneed to run the cable across the path if I were to get an EV
I feel a simple solution woul dbe to slice a small channel in the path to put the cable in each time, but not sure the CC woul dbe deligthed with me...

Some people throw the cable across the path. You could also try to get the ESB and the council to install a public charger on your street.
Another alternative that some people have succeeded in doing is getting permission to install a pedestal charger (like this http://www.nucharge.co.uk/shop/ev-charge-points.html/work-place-charge-points.html/rolec-ev-basiccharge-1-x-32amp-type-2.html) at the edge of the footpath with a buried cable from your meter (you can lock them to prevent others using the charger).

If you need something more secure and more discreet these are good: http://www.nucharge.co.uk/shop/ev-charge-points.html/public-space-charge-points.html/rolec-ev-streetserv-1-x-32amp-type-2.html

No I wouldn't throw a cable across any public path, you're opening yourself to a lawsuit. Though if it's council property it's most likely the Council that get sued then they sue you ? anyway not a thing I recommend doing considering how Irish people love suing.

If it is your house and you're going to be there a long time then get it done right as suggested above with the pedestal you do risk it getting vandalised.

It would be interesting to see if the Council give you written permission or not.

cros13

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If it is your house and you're going to be there a long time then get it done right as suggested above with the pedestal you do risk it getting vandalised.

The StreetServ pedestals are basically invisible to the average person and built out of hardened steel as well. DCC uses them in the housing estates off sheriff street for commando sockets... and if they can survive there...
As they say, if you ever lose your car in Dublin you can always pick it up on sheriff street.... it might be on fire... but it'll be there.

http://www.rolecserv.com/power-solutions/product/StreetServ

Looks the business, can you get them with a Type II socket ?

cros13

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Looks the business, can you get them with a Type II socket ?

Yup, They make them up to two 32amp Type 2s + a 13amp. The double Type 2 ones are special order though.

http://www.nucharge.co.uk/shop/ev-charge-points.html/public-space-charge-points.html/rolec-ev-streetserv-1-x-32amp-type-2.html

Door locks with your type 2 plug inside and there's space for the cable to come out at the bottom of the door.

They definitely look the job, pricey but a once off and the savings on petrol/diesel would pay back.

Dardania

cros13 wrote: »

Some people throw the cable across the path. You could also try to get the ESB and the council to install a public charger on your street.
Another alternative that some people have succeeded in doing is getting permission to install a pedestal charger (like this http://www.nucharge.co.uk/shop/ev-charge-points.html/work-place-charge-points.html/rolec-ev-basiccharge-1-x-32amp-type-2.html) at the edge of the footpath with a buried cable from your meter (you can lock them to prevent others using the charger).

If you need something more secure and more discreet these are good: http://www.nucharge.co.uk/shop/ev-charge-points.html/public-space-charge-points.html/rolec-ev-streetserv-1-x-32amp-type-2.html

As Mad_Lad says, I'd be wary of throwing the cable across the street (a lot of people walk past...it would be trip hazard for sure), but a pedestal - maybe so.

Alternatively, there is a playground nearby the house where they might contemplate installing a public charger (although I like being able to look out the window and be re-assured that my car isn't being absconded to Sheriff Street....)

This would be the main issue with me getting a Leaf I fear...

Dardania

Just to bump an older discussion, I've decided that in lieu of trying to convince the council to install an on-street charging point, I may be better off turning my front garden into a driveway. So am working on the planning permission drawings for getting kerb dished, 3.5m width - the works.

When it comes time in a few months (if I'm successful with application) to choose the charging point, you guys are noting the difference between 16A & 32A, tethered & untethered.

I reckon 32A is best to go for (indeed, I have seen some other forums where they mention you should allow for a 40A supply to it)
but with regard to the tethered vs. untethered debate, so that I understand, it's the difference between:
this: http://assets.rolecserv.com/files/products_document/c15250dd670e37f77608ae9753fada61/EVWPD005%20-%20WALLPOD%20EV%20HomeCharge%20IEC%2062196%20skt%20(Type%202)%20Mode%203.pdf

and

this: http://assets.rolecserv.com/files/products_document/2eebd8811d4f943b46bf2f26946e9b5f/EVWPD0011%20-%20WALLPOD%20EV%20J1772%20Multimode.pdf

and the consensus is that the tethered one is the one to go for?

Edit: And if I go for the tethered one, it should be with the J1772 connector for Nissan Leaf?

oinkely

Dardania wrote: »

Just to bump an older discussion, I've decided that in lieu of trying to convince the council to install an on-street charging point, I may be better off turning my front garden into a driveway. So am working on the planning permission drawings for getting kerb dished, 3.5m width - the works.

When it comes time in a few months (if I'm successful with application) to choose the charging point, you guys are noting the difference between 16A & 32A, tethered & untethered.

I reckon 32A is best to go for (indeed, I have seen some other forums where they mention you should allow for a 40A supply to it)
but with regard to the tethered vs. untethered debate, so that I understand, it's the difference between:
this: http://assets.rolecserv.com/files/products_document/c15250dd670e37f77608ae9753fada61/EVWPD005%20-%20WALLPOD%20EV%20HomeCharge%20IEC%2062196%20skt%20(Type%202)%20Mode%203.pdf

and

this: http://assets.rolecserv.com/files/products_document/2eebd8811d4f943b46bf2f26946e9b5f/EVWPD0011%20-%20WALLPOD%20EV%20J1772%20Multimode.pdf

and the consensus is that the tethered one is the one to go for?

Edit: And if I go for the tethered one, it should be with the J1772 connector for Nissan Leaf?

FWIW - I went for an untethered one as my car did not come with the leaf to type two cable, so I had to buy one of them anyway. The tethered unit was more expensive than the untethered one (but cheaper than the unit + seperate cable).

I also went for the 32A unit, as it was the same price as the 16A one, even though my leaf can only take advantage of the 16A. I used 10 square cable (which is probably way overkill, but I had some lying around and would have had to buy the 6 square) to the fuseboard so should be fine for any future upgrades if we ever need more that 32A.

Plugging / unplugging the cable is a minute or less, and the only downside of the untethered cable is you sometimes have to put a wet cable into the car. Not a big deal really.

stesaurus

Get a tethered unit and then just replace the cable when you end up with a Type 2 car in the future. It's an easy switch out really and the cable will probably be far cheaper in a few years time than currently. A tethered cable is far easier than messing around in the wind and rain in the dark.

BoatMad

s.welstead wrote: »

Get a tethered unit and then just replace the cable when you end up with a Type 2 car in the future. It's an easy switch out really and the cable will probably be far cheaper in a few years time than currently. A tethered cable is far easier than messing around in the wind and rain in the dark.

I agree , it's ridiculous contemplating what you might own in three years or whatever,

I modded my ABl to thethered as it has all the cutouts and strain relief points. I disabled the type 2 socket as you can't easily have both , as the cable current limit resistors get paralleled , I must work out in the EVCC can be configured to ignore them

In my case I made up the j1772 cable myself ( plugs 40 sterling , cable 5-9 sterling a metre for 32 A )