The end of the replay !

Prop Joe

Was just wondering with the club champ scheduled to finish within the calender year.

Plus the growing unrest at club level due to fixture mess & Burnout at minor/U21 level.

Is the day of the drawn match over?

I can think of many pro's & con's but i think we could shortly see extra time being implemented in all games to keep the calender intact

Hibbeler

How do you propose to break deadlocks if the games finish level after extra time?

rebel girl 15

Hibbeler wrote: »

How do you propose to break deadlocks if the games finish level after extra time?

Second period of extra time is what happens if replays go to ET

munchkin_utd

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Second period of extra time is what happens if replays go to ET

for championship you could do that, and then either let it go to a replay should teams be still level or have a points shootout or some other means of getting a desision on the day.

either way, if there's to be a tightening up of the championship schedule in conjunction with creating a better framework for club fixtures over the summer, then elimination/ reducing chance of replays has to play a part

keeponhurling

I don't think replays are the root cause of fixture congestion though

Hibbeler

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Second period of extra time is what happens if replays go to ET

Yes but what about AFTER that? Neither football or hurling lends themselves easily to a sudden death penalty shootout type of thing imo.

keeponhurling wrote: »

I don't think replays are the root cause of fixture congestion though

True, there should be ample opportunity to reduce fixture congestion by playing more inter-county matches on any given weekend.

The Ulster football championship for example tends to play one game per weekend, surely there's opportunity there to have two per weekend and reduce the length of time the competition takes.

billy100

dee finitely room for it somewhere to trialed at some level

munchkin_utd

How many games which have had extra time played ended up a draw at the end?
Most, if not almost all, go like the Monaghan Kildare game last august, draw after normal time and one team then goes on to win, this time quite comfortably for Monaghan.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/match-day-tracker/0208141608-all-ireland-sfc-round-4b-qualifiers-live

Pete_Cavan

If the match is still level at the end of extra time - how about next score wins? I know it sounds a bit stupid at first but if we need to have a winner on the day, better to have the winner determined by actually playing the sport rather than some made up shoot out scenario involving only a few players.

It could be done if we had a hooter to call full time, when the hooter goes in the second period of ET, the game continues and the next team to score wins. It would make for some really exciting ends to ET, both teams have to go hell for leather to win it, no being conservative and settling for a reply. There is a bit of a lottery aspect to a game going to next score wins so both teams will be doing their upmost to win it before it gets to that. Could be fasinating to watch.

As said above, it is unlikely to get to that stage too often.

Boom__Boom

When the new rules about the timing of the game being taken away from refs come in next year, refs won't be able to play for the draw, so you would expect the number of draws to drop a bit.

Fr Tod Umptious

Boom__Boom wrote: »

When the new rules about the timing of the game being taken away from refs come in next year, refs won't be able to play for the draw, so you would expect the number of draws to drop a bit.

I don't think that refs "play for the draw" as much as people think.

In three high profile games this year, Mayo v Kerry x 2, and the AI Hurling final, the ref gave teams the chance to win with the last play of the game.

Boom__Boom

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I don't think that refs "play for the draw" as much as people think.

In three high profile games this year, Mayo v Kerry x 2, and the AI Hurling final, the ref gave teams the chance to win with the last play of the game.

Yeah - I'd agree that it's not a major issue but the timing keeping issue should help some bit - refs will still be able to make ridiculous decision - the fact that Murphy's blatant barge at the end of the All-Ireland wasn't blown as a free out is a prime example.

I think things arent too bad in terms of intercounty, but clubs can be a disaster.

The thing is that there is different types of the playing for the draw from refs - there are some who seem to realise when things are tight with 10 minutes to go that a draw may be a possibility and ref things completely different to how they have reffed up until then, throwing the rules out of the window completely to get the result but I think the there is nothing more depressing that a ref who is a leveller - basically a lad who tends to favour whatever side is behind out of some weird notion of fairness - with these lads I don't even think it's about "playing for the draw" more they simply are a ref who has the habit of using the whistle to just try and keep every game they ref as close and tight throughout as possible.

Hibbeler

munchkin_utd wrote: »

How many games which have had extra time played ended up a draw at the end?
Most, if not almost all, go like the Monaghan Kildare game last august, draw after normal time and one team then goes on to win, this time quite comfortably for Monaghan.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/match-day-tracker/0208141608-all-ireland-sfc-round-4b-qualifiers-live

That's true of course but the OP was suggesting that something should be done to eliminate replays entirely and if that's the case then there needs to be someway to separate teams in the rare event of being drawn after extra time

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

If the match is still level at the end of extra time - how about next score wins? I know it sounds a bit stupid at first but if we need to have a winner on the day, better to have the winner determined by actually playing the sport rather than some made up shoot out scenario involving only a few players.

It could be done if we had a hooter to call full time, when the hooter goes in the second period of ET, the game continues and the next team to score wins. It would make for some really exciting ends to ET, both teams have to go hell for leather to win it, no being conservative and settling for a reply. There is a bit of a lottery aspect to a game going to next score wins so both teams will be doing their upmost to win it before it gets to that. Could be fasinating to watch.

As said above, it is unlikely to get to that stage too often.

I like this idea it would be better than some sort of penalty shootout type thing imo. How about instead of next score wins play until a team goes two or more points ahead might get rid of some of the lottery element of next score wins

menace404

Hibbeler wrote: »

That's true of course but the OP was suggesting that something should be done to eliminate replays entirely and if that's the case then there needs to be someway to separate teams in the rare event of being drawn after extra time



I like this idea it would be better than some sort of penalty shootout type thing imo. How about instead of next score wins play until a team goes two or more points ahead might get rid of some of the lottery element of next score wins

The idea of 'next score wins' will never take hold. What if a free occurs??? The ref will be slaughtered before he gets off the field. Especially if he/she awards a free that shouldnt have really been a free. I guess try an american football approach....where after the initial ET period, play another 10min period of whoever scores next, then the other team get one more play to equalise until the ball goes dead.

keane2097

Level after extra time - next team to go two up wins

Prop Joe

I wasnt suggesting a penalty shoot out type scenario but rather will it now be extra time in all drawn championship games to try and get a winner.

At least it would stop "AHH THE GREEDY GAA PLAYING FOR A DRAW AGAIN" now it will be "IT WAS DEFO A DRAW BUT THE REF WANTED A WINNER"

Mountainlad

Wellie throwing competition, fairest resolution.