Replacement. Bulls.

Miname

i have a bunch of really stylish limo heifer weanlings that I'm going to put shorthorn on (hoping for heifers) and the fact they are easy calving. I m trying to get that roan effect, the limos have really square hips with a taste of muscle so they should compensate for the shorthorn. Has anyone any recommendations for Bulls. Also I've a couple of pb sims what should I go with there, ones by curaheen apostle and the other is by hill crest king. Apz is a lower set animal that I want easy calving on and the hill rest one is a big rook that I'd like to get a shappier bag end into.

tanko

Which Ai company do you deal with?

Mad4simmental

Miname wrote: »

i have a bunch of really stylish limo heifer weanlings that I'm going to put shorthorn on (hoping for heifers) and the fact they are easy calving. I m trying to get that roan effect, the limos have really square hips with a taste of muscle so they should compensate for the shorthorn. Has anyone any recommendations for Bulls. Also I've a couple of pb sims what should I go with there, ones by curaheen apostle and the other is by hill crest king. Apz is a lower set animal that I want easy calving on and the hill rest one is a big rook that I'd like to get a shappier bag end into.

I really like apz to. What do you think of banwy T-Rex? Seaview tommy looks nice to I might try a few of his straws next year.

Miname

tanko wrote: »

Which Ai company do you deal with?

Any, I've no allegiance to any of them.

Miname

Mad4simmental wrote: »

I really like apz to. What do you think of banwy T-Rex? Seaview tommy looks nice to I might try a few of his straws next year.

Apz is a little on the low side for my liking. Curaheen vio looks good have you anything out of him?

Mad4simmental

Miname wrote: »

Apz is a little on the low side for my liking. Curaheen vio looks good have you anything out of him?

Nice bull. No I didn't use him as I have a few by Hillcrest champion (curaheen vios sire) but I'll have sum new blood coming in soon and would like to try him to.

Limestone Cowboy

Mad4simmental wrote: »

I really like apz to. What do you think of banwy T-Rex? Seaview tommy looks nice to I might try a few of his straws next year.

I wouldn't like Apz at all, haven't been impressed by any calf I have seen off him in the flesh tbh. He might be easy calving but doesn't bring much else to the table.

TITANIUM.

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I wouldn't like Apz at all, haven't been impressed by any calf I have seen off him in the flesh tbh. He might be easy calving but doesn't bring much else to the table.

I've a little cracker out of him. Off a very good BBX cow tho to be fair.

Miname

Anyone any info on shorthorns?

Genghis Cant

Miname wrote: »

Anyone any info on shorthorns?

I'm afraid I haven't, but is there any sexed semen available, that might leave ya with a crop of heifers?
As for the Simm, are you goin to go Simm on them or cross them?

Miname

Genghis Cant wrote: »

I'm afraid I haven't, but is there any sexed semen available, that might leave ya with a crop of heifers?
As for the Simm, are you goin to go Simm on them or cross them?

I'm going sim on sim alright. Want to keep a few pb for replacements. I am tempted with the sexed semen alright but whether it's a success or will it just leave me with a ball of repeats.

Genghis Cant

Miname wrote: »

I'm going sim on sim alright. Want to keep a few pb for replacements. I am tempted with the sexed semen alright but whether it's a success or will it just leave me with a ball of repeats.

There mightn't even be sexed Sh juice available.

I used a bit of Simm over the years, and one bull, Kilbride Farm Newry (KFY) was head and shoulders above the rest, unfortunately he is no more. Vio and T-Rex disappointed!

towzer2010

Miname wrote: »

Anyone any info on shorthorns?

Well I have a few out of CZB from dovea AI and although he is roan they all came pure red. Great calves though. I have three SBU calves that aren't roan either.

There is a very good looking test bull from Progressive genetics called EMS out of Alta Cedar Perfect Storm who is one of the top shorthorn bulls from Canada but wouldn't chance him on heifers yet. PZT is roan and easy calving but poor for milk as is Sprys patent both Australian I think and not that proven in Ireland yet.

Annawater Scotsman from eurogene is a easy calving roan bull and has milk.

WPK is an American shorthorn bull from bova genetics and is probably one of the best shorthorns available IMO but isn't a roan bull.

tanko

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I wouldn't like Apz at all, haven't been impressed by any calf I have seen off him in the flesh tbh. He might be easy calving but doesn't bring much else to the table.

I wouldn't be a fan of APZ either, put him on three limx cows and got two bulls and twins (bull and heifer). He's very easy calved but calves lack any muscle and aren't much to look at.
He seems to be breeding very good pedigree stock but from a commercial point of view you would want to be putting him on an animal with serious muscle to get a decent calf I reckon.
I put QCD from dovea on a few cows this year, hopefully get a heifer or two.

Miname

towzer2010 wrote: »

Well I have a few out of CZB from dovea AI and although he is roan they all came pure red. Great calves though. I have three SBU calves that aren't roan either.

There is a very good looking test bull from Progressive genetics called EMS out of Alta Cedar Perfect Storm who is one of the top shorthorn bulls from Canada but wouldn't chance him on heifers yet. PZT is roan and easy calving but poor for milk as is Sprys patent both Australian I think and not that proven in Ireland yet.

Annawater Scotsman from eurogene is a easy calving roan bull and has milk.

WPK is an American shorthorn bull from bova genetics and is probably one of the best shorthorns available IMO but isn't a roan bull.

Just looked at bova, what do you think of kilfrush vantage or kilfrush finch? The finch lad looks like a good solid bull.

towzer2010

Miname wrote: »

Just looked at bova, what do you think of kilfrush vantage or kilfrush finch? The finch lad looks like a good solid bull.

Finch looks good and he has some Maine anjou in him so should be better grading calves out of him.

Miname

towzer2010 wrote: »

Finch looks good and he has some Maine anjou in him so should be better grading calves out of him.

Just seen there he's not suitable for heifers written down the page, at 4.7% would he be worth the chance?

KatyMac

have two heifers from Kilrush Vantage. One will be calving next year and the other is only just a calf. Both are grey roan, from same aa cow. The older one is really nice size and very quiet. Hopefully, and if I remember I'll have a nice pic to post next year! Same cow had a bull from Vantage two years ago and he looked like a BB, they went mad for him in the mart.

towzer2010

Miname wrote: »

Just seen there he's not suitable for heifers written down the page, at 4.7% would he be worth the chance?

I don't think so. I'd never try anything above 3.5 on a heifer because if she has a hard calving she might not take to the calf straight away and putting a young heifer in the crush to try and get a dopey calf sucking is no fun. Better safe than sorry with heifers.

bogman_bass

Genghis Cant wrote: »

There mightn't even be sexed Sh juice available.

This is the only lad I know of that's available at a price for commercial men

http://www.powerfulgenetics.com/shorthorn-sires/meonhill-firefox.html

J.O. Farmer

Miname wrote: »

Just seen there he's not suitable for heifers written down the page, at 4.7% would he be worth the chance?

If it's written down he's not suitable for heifers I'd be inclined to avoid for heifers. The % calving difficulty will be across all births but could be significantly higher in heifers.

Miname

Had a limo heifer calve this morning. She must have broke to the charlaois bull cause she calved and all was grand , he's 10.6% calving difficulty. I think I got away light.

Miname

bogman_bass wrote: »

This is the only lad I know of that's available at a price for commercial men

http://www.powerfulgenetics.com/shorthorn-sires/meonhill-firefox.html

I've had a look at him but I want to go more towards a white bull so there's a better chance of getting a roan.

tanko

Miname wrote: »

I've had a look at him but I want to go more towards a white bull so there's a better chance of getting a roan.

Would you consider using sexed semen? Results are very mixed so far from what I've heard, ranging from very good to very bad.

Miname

tanko wrote: »

Would you consider using sexed semen? Results are very mixed so far from what I've heard, ranging from very good to very bad.

Considering it alright but I hate repeats and I'm trying to limit the possibilities. I find it hard to find heifers bulling at the best of times with the full time job. Fixed time ai is probably the way I'll go.

Mac Taylor

Anyone recommend limousin Bulls good for maternal/milk?

Farrell

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Anyone recommend limousin Bulls good for maternal/milk?

Have the Dovea book in front of me, EBY, RHF,KJB.
Probably say RHF as -2.58 for daughter calving interval

Mac Taylor

Farrell wrote: »

Have the Dovea book in front of me, EBY, RHF,KJB.
Probably say RHF as -2.58 for daughter calving interval

The biggest issue with him is his docility, I'm told old for chasing cattle. The other ones still haven't got a lot of calves on the ground. Open to correction though:D:D

Miname

Mac Taylor wrote: »

The biggest issue with him is his docility, I'm told old for chasing cattle. The other ones still haven't got a lot of calves on the ground. Open to correction though:D:D

Ozs is about as good as can be got. Fl22 is throwing smashing calves whether he's that maternal I don't know.

Mac Taylor

Miname wrote: »

Ozs is about as good as can be got. Fl22 is throwing smashing calves whether he's that maternal I don't know.

Kova mentioned Navarin from bova a while back and a neighbour of mine who has ped lim cows says he always likes to see navarin in the back breeding as they make great cows. Might chance a few at €20 a straw

tanko

I put OZS on most of the cows two years ago, he's a fine bull but his calves wouldn't be the biggest. Calves off him have plenty of shape in their back ends and are quiet for lims. Hopefully his heifers will be good for milk.
FL22 is gone, bred serious stuff but they're not quiet by any means.
Vermeil (S666) is recomended by PG for replacements as a high milk bull.

Castleview casino from Dovea seems to be well liked on here. Dovea have high hopes for KJB but he's a new bull.

Mereside Favori (FZF) is a serious bull, if his heifers have milk which they should then he has it all IMO. Lots of size, muscle, length and very square back ends in his calves. His mother is off On-Dit, who has serious Euro Star figures. I got 5 straws last year (€32 each) and have four cows in calf to him. It'll be interesting to see what they're like.

Genghis Cant

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Kova mentioned Navarin from bova a while back and a neighbour of mine who has ped lim cows says he always likes to see navarin in the back breeding as they make great cows. Might chance a few at €20 a straw

We used Navarin a bit when he was widely available. He bred good stylish stock, well muscled not overly big. We never kept a heifer off him to bull, so I dunno about milk. His figures are good though, and his stock are quite. Unlike the bane of my life FL22 :-)

Bodacious

Miname wrote: »

Ozs is about as good as can be got. Fl22 is throwing smashing calves whether he's that maternal I don't know.

OZS is a super bull. fl22 very middling and cracked but kept one heifer and she is a fine beast at 3 years but crap docility

jd06

Miname wrote: »

Apz is a little on the low side for my liking. Curaheen vio looks good have you anything out of him?

is curahen vio easy calving? eurogene has him i think

ferger1

tanko wrote: »

I put OZS on most of the cows two years ago, he's a fine bull but his calves wouldn't be the biggest. Calves off him have plenty of shape in their back ends and are quiet for lims. Hopefully his heifers will be good for milk.
FL22 is gone, bred serious stuff but they're not quiet by any means.
Vermeil (S666) is recomended by PG for replacements as a high milk bull.

Castleview casino from Dovea seems to be well liked on here. Dovea have high hopes for KJB but he's a new bull.

Mereside Favori (FZF) is a serious bull, if his heifers have milk which they should then he has it all IMO. Lots of size, muscle, length and very square back ends in his calves. His mother is off On-Dit, who has serious Euro Star figures. I got 5 straws last year (€32 each) and have four cows in calf to him. It'll be interesting to see what they're like.

Castleview casino seems to be v. poor on milk with a fairly high reliability, youd probably have to put him on milky cows

Genghis Cant

jd06 wrote: »

is curahen vio easy calving? eurogene has him i think

We'd no trouble with the few we had but the cows would be used to having a Ch on them usually.

ferger1

Genghis Cant wrote: »

We'd no trouble with the few we had but the cows would be used to having a Ch on them usually.

Did ya ever try Curaheen Tyson (TSO), going on figures seems to be a good all rounder

Genghis Cant

ferger1 wrote: »

Did ya ever try Curaheen Tyson (TSO), going on figures seems to be a good all rounder

No. After taking a hammering on the price of the Sims bull calves we went away from Simm.

ferger1

Genghis Cant wrote: »

No. After taking a hammering on the price of the Sims bull calves we went away from Simm.

sexed semen is the future so!!

Farrell

ferger1 wrote: »

sexed semen is the future so!!

Hopefully but doesn't seem to be just there yet.
Have 2 incalf to vio, hopefully heifers

Genghis Cant

Farrell wrote: »

Hopefully but doesn't seem to be just there yet.
Have 2 incalf to vio, hopefully heifers

Definitely BULLS :-)

Did Peter put Vio in them?

Mac Taylor

I used 5 AI Bulls last year, all easy calving with a high maternal % on heifers, PCh from Dovea, gzp and rmx from Munster and got 5 bull calves.:mad:

Farrell

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Definitely BULLS :-)

Did Peter put Vio in them?

Thanks, you're great, but knowing my luck!
No, but now hoping it was an act of the HS

Future Farmer

Miname wrote: »

i have a bunch of really stylish limo heifer weanlings that I'm going to put shorthorn on (hoping for heifers) and the fact they are easy calving. I m trying to get that roan effect, the limos have really square hips with a taste of muscle so they should compensate for the shorthorn. Has anyone any recommendations for Bulls. Also I've a couple of pb sims what should I go with there, ones by curaheen apostle and the other is by hill crest king. Apz is a lower set animal that I want easy calving on and the hill rest one is a big rook that I'd like to get a shappier bag end into.

An Curaheen Apostle son made £16,000 in Stirling Bull sales there last week! Super stock nice for there to be a tight robust Simmental bull available. Are the Sims Heifers?

Just looking at Progressive they have:

TEST Bull - EMS - Erasmus Doon -who is selected by the Shorthorn Gene Ireland committee for the breed's maternal programme

SZD - Stonmour Thunder Cloud - Polled 2.9% calving difficulty at 93% reliability, a super bull

SFT - Seafield Titan - 4.7% calving difficulty at 89%, a fine bull, 4 star terminal (within) & 4 star replacement (across)


I got more or less the last few straws of Sliabhbhui Prince SBU who in my opinion has been one the best SH bull available hands down in last few years out of Enfield last year (which I am delighted about) going into AAx cows and heifers - hoping for heifer calves. You're local PG AI man might have a few straws if you ask nicely, maybe.

Looking at the replacement indexes etc, would you think about Saler? Some super bulls, doing the business.

onyerbikepat

Anyone have Ardlea Dan (ADX) heifers calved down yet? I have kept a few heifers by him so fingers crossed they have milk. He breeds super heifers from what I've seen so far and quiet enough too.

Miname

Future Farmer wrote: »

An Curaheen Apostle son made £16,000 in Stirling Bull sales there last week! Super stock nice for there to be a tight robust Simmental bull available. Are the Sims Heifers?

Just looking at Progressive they have:

TEST Bull - EMS - Erasmus Doon -who is selected by the Shorthorn Gene Ireland committee for the breed's maternal programme

SZD - Stonmour Thunder Cloud - Polled 2.9% calving difficulty at 93% reliability, a super bull

SFT - Seafield Titan - 4.7% calving difficulty at 89%, a fine bull, 4 star terminal (within) & 4 star replacement (across)


I got more or less the last few straws of Sliabhbhui Prince SBU who in my opinion has been one the best SH bull available hands down in last few years out of Enfield last year (which I am delighted about) going into AAx cows and heifers - hoping for heifer calves. You're local PG AI man might have a few straws if you ask nicely, maybe.

Looking at the replacement indexes etc, would you think about Saler? Some super bulls, doing the business.

Bar their pelvis there's nothing about salers I like. One pb sim heifer by apz and one pb cow by hill rest king, currently carrying to apz. With the limo heifers I can't state enough it's the roan effect I'm after, these heifers have serious width and an ideal mix of muscle so crossed with a roan shorthorn they should in theory throw an ideal calf.

Future Farmer

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Miname wrote: »

Bar their pelvis there's nothing about salers I like. One pb sim heifer by apz and one pb cow by hill rest king, currently carrying to apz. With the limo heifers I can't state enough it's the roan effect I'm after, these heifers have serious width and an ideal mix of muscle so crossed with a roan shorthorn they should in theory throw an ideal calf.

Seafield Titan



Stonmour Thundercloud (P)



I'm a fan of Salers tbh, super mothers and docility can be increased with regular handling, and you'd want a decent calving pen for some of them to be sure, to be sure (but you could say that for lots of sucklers).

towzer2010

Miname wrote: »

Bar their pelvis there's nothing about salers I like. One pb sim heifer by apz and one pb cow by hill rest king, currently carrying to apz. With the limo heifers I can't state enough it's the roan effect I'm after, these heifers have serious width and an ideal mix of muscle so crossed with a roan shorthorn they should in theory throw an ideal calf.

I agree. I think the SH X LM has huge advantages. They aren't to big, milk or docility shouldn't be an issue and they are great mothers that have good longevity. Its a cross I'm using a lot in the last few years.

Since you are after the speckled effect I checked a SHx blue speckled cow I have and her daddy is KVG so he might be the bull you are after. This is a pic of her with her GWO heifer calf born end of September. Her mother was an AA though.



Two more SH below. This is a CZB heifer with her SBU calf born two days ago. Its the second SBU calf this year but neither of them has the speckled effect.

Miname

Does anyone have any czb straws for sale or know anywhere they can be got

cattlelegend

Miname wrote: »

Does anyone have any czb straws for sale or know anywhere they can be got

Think Dovea has very some left gone up in price i think

Nettleman

ferger1 wrote: »

Did ya ever try Curaheen Tyson (TSO), going on figures seems to be a good all rounder

I'm going sim on sim this year, but will introduce some hybrid vigour into thier progeny, ch probably. Have done some of my SIMM cows to TSO, should be crackers if Eurostar is to be believed. Will let ya know next spring !!!