Potential fights for Rigondeaux

walshb

I think Kiko-Rigo is a really tasty clash of styles. Kiko just comes to kill. Can bang, takes a good shot and will harass and pressure you all night. Now, if he can absorb Rigo's artillery we surely can be guaranteed that he will get to Rigo at some stage. Can Rigo take a flush shot/shots from Kiko? Can Rigo take the pace that Kiko brings? I see it as either an early KO for Rigo, a hard fought decision win for Rigo, a hard fought decision win for Kiko (based off aggression and workrate), or even a KO for Kiko. Yes, I know, I have covered all options here. But barring a KO for Rigo I see this as a real tough challenge for both.

Stand off Rigo and prepare to lose. That is why I think of all the best in the division Kiko may just be the best style to cause Rigo issues.
Kiko comes to fight and seems to have no real fear. I like that about him. Fights like Tyson in that sense. Kill or be killed!

HigginsJ

walshb wrote: »

I think Kiko-Rigo is a really tasty clash of styles. Kiko just comes to kill. Can bang, takes a good shot and will harass and pressure you all night. Now, if he can absorb Rigo's artillery we surely can be guaranteed that he will get to Rigo at some stage. Can Rigo take a flush shot/shots from Kiko? Can Rigo take the pace that Kiko brings? I see it as either an early KO for Rigo, a hard fought decision win for Rigo, a hard fought decision win for Kiko (based off aggression and workrate), or even a KO for Kiko. Yes, I know, I have covered all options here. But barring a KO for Rigo I see this as a real tough challenge for both.

Stand off Rigo and prepare to lose. That is why I think of all the best in the division Kiko may just be the best style to cause Rigo issues.
Kiko comes to fight and seems to have no real fear. I like that about him. Fights like Tyson in that sense. Kill or be killed!

I can see your argument as to why the pressure from Kiko would cause Rigo problems but in reality I think he would be schooled.

The argument as to why Kiko would have success is based on a lot of "ifs". I think it would be a relatively early (around rounds 4 or 5)KO for Rigo as Kiko walks onto a few big shots.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

I think Kiko-Rigo is a really tasty clash of styles. Kiko just comes to kill. Can bang, takes a good shot and will harass and pressure you all night. Now, if he can absorb Rigo's artillery we surely can be guaranteed that he will get to Rigo at some stage. Can Rigo take a flush shot/shots from Kiko? Can Rigo take the pace that Kiko brings? I see it as either an early KO for Rigo, a hard fought decision win for Rigo, a hard fought decision win for Kiko (based off aggression and workrate), or even a KO for Kiko. Yes, I know, I have covered all options here. But barring a KO for Rigo I see this as a real tough challenge for both.

Stand off Rigo and prepare to lose. That is why I think of all the best in the division Kiko may just be the best style to cause Rigo issues.
Kiko comes to fight and seems to have no real fear. I like that about him. Fights like Tyson in that sense. Kill or be killed!

Funny enough I was only thinking about this the other day and I came up with much the same result as yourself.

I know there are a lot of 'ifs', but Kiko is very hard to discourage and is harder to hit than he looks (as Frampton mentioned) and the pace he sets could cause Rigo problems.

Anyway, it's a fight I'd like to see because I believe we'd see Rigo tested and it would answer a lot of questions.

Has it been announced or anything?

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Funny enough I was only thinking about this the other day and I came up with much the same result as yourself.

I know there are a lot of 'ifs', but Kiko is very hard to discourage and is harder to hit than he looks (as Frampton mentioned) and the pace he sets could cause Rigo problems.

Anyway, it's a fight I'd like to see because I believe we'd see Rigo tested and it would answer a lot of questions.

Has it been announced or anything?

Haven't heard a sniff of Kiko's name being mentioned in relation to Rigo. I hear LSC/Frampton/Quigg/Lomachenko, but never Kiko.

Would it be a big upset? Absolutely. Would I be shocked. Slightly.

One thing I do believe is that if Rigo has to go 12 that the fight will be close. It won't be a beat down for 12 rds. Rigo's style and his cautious and patient offense won't lend to that result against a swarming and pressurizing puncher. May slightly resemble Ali-Frazier in the sense of landed shots by both men.

barney4001

walshb wrote: »

Haven't heard a sniff of Kiko's name being mentioned in relation to Rigo. I hear LSC/Frampton/Quigg/Lomachenko, but never Kiko.

Would it be a big upset? Absolutely. Would I be shocked. Slightly.

One thing I do believe is that if Rigo has to go 12 that the fight will be close. It won't be a beat down for 12 rds. Rigo's style and his cautious and patient offense won't lend to that result against a swarming and pressurizing puncher. May slightly resemble Ali-Frazier in the sense of landed shots by both men.

kiko not any where near in same class as rigo

Henno30

HigginsJ wrote: »

I can see your argument as to why the pressure from Kiko would cause Rigo problems but in reality I think he would be schooled.

The argument as to why Kiko would have success is based on a lot of "ifs". I think it would be a relatively early (around rounds 4 or 5)KO for Rigo as Kiko walks onto a few big shots.

I'd have to agree, I think Rigo would drop him a few times and stop him. In terms of styles it's probably the way to go alright, but you'd have to be better than Kiko.

walshb

barney4001 wrote: »

kiko not any where near in same class as rigo

What is class in this instance?

Sometimes in pro boxing class means very little.

What exact result would you pick?

Talib Fiasco

I'd fully expect Rigo to win every round or close to it with at least one knockdown tbh.

Spazdarn

I think Kiko would start off trying to fight his type of fight, but he'd fail to dictate the pace , Rigo win almost every round.

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I'd fully expect Rigo to win every round or close to it with at least one knockdown tbh.

That wouldn't at all surprise me. I still like the fact that at least Rigo would be made think hard and fight hard for the win. I can't see Kiko sitting back and trying to outsmart Rigo. Kiko fights one way only. Exciting. He will press and press. Rigo will probably hop off him all night long. Could be some good moments for Kiko.

Chrissybhoy

As Higgoj said above I think kiko will be completely schooled. We'll know no more about Rigo if he fights Kiko

megadodge

And what if Kiko connects hard?

Rigo has been down by both Donaire (a jab) and Cordoba (of Bernard Dunne fame) and especially against Cordoba, once caught he got very negative and was booed for the second half of the fight. Cordoba isn't a particularly good chaser, but he made Rigo look ordinary.

I just think Kiko has the best style in relation to causing Rigo problems, plus I don't think he'd be remotely afraid of facing him. He's travelled all over fighting in other's back yards.

I'd still expect Rigo to win, but he would be under constant pressure - which could very well bring the best out of him - and that's why I'd like to see it.

Big Ears

megadodge wrote: »

And what if Kiko connects hard?

Rigo has been down by both Donaire (a jab) and Cordoba (of Bernard Dunne fame) and especially against Cordoba, once caught he got very negative and was booed for the second half of the fight. Cordoba isn't a particularly good chaser, but he made Rigo look ordinary.

I just think Kiko has the best style in relation to causing Rigo problems, plus I don't think he'd be remotely afraid of facing him. He's travelled all over fighting in other's back yards.

I'd still expect Rigo to win, but he would be under constant pressure - which could very well bring the best out of him - and that's why I'd like to see it.

I wouldn't worry much about those knockdowns. I'd be more concerned about Marroquin rocking him twice with counter right hands in their fight. It shows that if you can connect, you can trouble him. But for me Rigo stops Kiko with body shots. I'm not sure Kiko's footwork is good enough to apply the pressure in the way he'd want, and I think he may struggle to get his feet set vs Rigo.
Would be interesting anyway.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

I wouldn't worry much about those knockdowns. I'd be more concerned about Marroquin rocking him twice with counter right hands in their fight. It shows that if you can connect, you can trouble him. But for me Rigo stops Kiko with body shots. I'm not sure Kiko's footwork is good enough to apply the pressure in the way he'd want, and I think he may struggle to get his feet set vs Rigo.
Would be interesting anyway.

The body shots is what I was thinking. But with Kiko he is quite crouched and low to the ground. It would require serious speed and accuracy for Rigo, as well as digging that bit lower than normal. Rigo doesn't work with close inside body shots. It's mid to long range stuff, and Kiko's very low center of gravity makes that task a bit more difficult. Key to success for Kiko is to get close, quite close to Rigo for large parts of the fight. As Mega says, intriguing!

megadodge

Big Ears wrote: »

I wouldn't worry much about those knockdowns. I'd be more concerned about Marroquin rocking him twice with counter right hands in their fight. It shows that if you can connect, you can trouble him. But for me Rigo stops Kiko with body shots. I'm not sure Kiko's footwork is good enough to apply the pressure in the way he'd want, and I think he may struggle to get his feet set vs Rigo.
Would be interesting anyway.

Completely forgot about the Marroquin fight, which only re-enforces my point.

Just to clarify, I'm a huge fan of Rigo, going all the way back to the World Amateurs in Belfast in 2001, where I thought he should have got the 'Best Boxer' award (not that Kindelan was a bad choice), but I'd like to see him against constant, hard-hitting pressure. Will Kiko miss wildly at times? Absolutely, but he'll keep coming. It's just in his nature.

I'm not convinced about the body shots theory either, I don't think Rigo would risk putting himself into that position where he can be countered by a heavy-hitter very often. I think he'll try his best to keep it at a distance, by pot-shotting and using his beautiful lateral movement to frustrate Kiko.

barney4001

walshb wrote: »

What is class in this instance?

Sometimes in pro boxing class means very little.

What exact result would you pick?

a complete and utter rout for rigo

Henno30

The WBO can't find anyone to challenge Rigo for the belt. Was supposed to be Avalos but he passed, deciding to go after Frampton for the IBF strap instead. WBO are now trying to put an interim title match together with the winner having to fight Rigo.

Crazy state of affairs. Rigo is wasting his time with that promotional firm he's with though. If Hyde is to be believed, they're the reason Rigo has passed on offers that would at least have kept him active for the next couple of years.

And check out their website - http://www.caribepromotions.com/

Big Ears

Gary Hyde has mentioned that there's been an offer from Japan to fight Shingo Wake in late December. If the money is anyway reasonable that's a must take fight for him imo.
Wake is a decent fighter and probably the best opponent they'll be able to get now that Avalos has pulled out of the mandatory WBO position and none of the other top guys will fight Rigo for the moment.

Eddie Hearn actually tried to insinuate that Wake was likely going to fight Quigg on November 22nd but unfortunately picked up an injury preventing the fight, hence why they've gone with Otake. Wake claims this is rubbish and there was never any contact from Matchroom, and also he's not injured.

Rigo's team really do need to take the Golovkin approach. If you can't fight the best, fight the best of the rest (and do it regularly).