Eviction notice - help needed

makeorbrake

To have the op evicted, the property prepared for a new tenant, the estate agents engaged to source a new tenant - that's all going to be a heap of hassle & expense for the LL. Furthermore, he's going to be down on rental income as there's going to be a period where the property won't be let.


It's simply not rational to think that someone would go through all of that pain without cause.

AlanG

The OP has not said yet where the new bed came from. It hinges on that - did he add bed spaces to the property or did he just move a bed. He claims the agent said he could use the attic instead of the boxroom but he has put a double bed in the attic and he said the box room was tiny.

makeorbrake

BeatNikDub wrote: »

THIS

This? That the attic was "obviously" converted to a bedroom? We know no such thing (the op said it was 'converted' - that's all he said). Whats the extent of the conversion? Can it take sustained extra weight loading without that resulting in damage?


As regards the other point, I bet the landlord didn't say he was carrying out an inspection - and there's every reason to believe that he wasn't. However, you don't expect him to wear a blindfold!
Good luck pursuing him on that point - as you'll get nowhere and rightly so.

Arbiter of Good Taste

Ok. So the toilet floods into the kitchen but the OP wants the LL to wait until they give explicit permission to enter.

I suspect OP had no problem with the LL coming in until they were caught playing silly beggars with the bedrooms.

swht

Serious question... I don't understand why the house being messy is any of a landlords business. Surely you can live whatever way you like as long as you don't actually damage the house?

makeorbrake

gonzo.phd wrote: »

Serious question... I don't understand why the house being messy is any of a landlords business. Surely you can live whatever way you like as long as you don't actually damage the house?

It's a very good point. So is it rational then that a LL would go through all of that trouble n' strife for no good reason?

cerastes

gonzo.phd wrote: »

Serious question... I don't understand why the house being messy is any of a landlords business. Surely you can live whatever way you like as long as you don't actually damage the house?

Seriously?
You cant actually, thats like saying you could allow all your rubbish to pile up and clear it up once a year as a tenant.
I have seen this in action by someone near me, not only does it require more work all at once, that kind of thing can and very likely does encourage insects and rodents to take up residence.

The same for if the house strewn in clothes or bags of clothes or just a plain mess, it means they cant clean it, or work clothes, dirty? dusty? oily? it can be unhygenic and it can increase wear and tear and could affect the fabric of the building, ie it might encourage rodents or vermin in where they have a hidden place to sleep, dust to build up and not be accessible to be hoovered, you cant just expect to clean up once, not doing that allows a place to get into a worse state from which it can never be cleaned to the same extent.

Id like to see some photos at this stage myself and see how it is and let people determine then.

Why do you think most people that own a home dont live like animals and clean up once a year??? because its easier, better, more hygienic, more pleasant to live somewhere that is cleaned routinely little by little or as you go along. By no means is my home spotless, but it'd be a hovel if nothing was done bar once or twice a year, there are 3, I presume adults, thats right off the bat a third of the work load.

I am still not sure if you are serious or is that tongue in cheek?
Just because you are not kicking holes in the plaster or the doors down doesnt mean you can live as you please, you are expected to keep a property in good condition or as good as it was when you received it, at the least if someone isnt happy with how clean it is they should mention it, take note and clean as they would have it as they may live there for at least a year, maybe years, its that or not sign the lease and complain later.

km991148

makeorbrake wrote: »

It's a very good point. So is it rational then that a LL would go through all of that trouble n' strife for no good reason?

There is obviously a good reason in the LLs mind - however it could be anything (need the property for family member, get new people in for higher rents, the untidiness itself could be the reason).

swht

cerastes wrote: »

Seriously?
You cant actually, thats like saying you could allow all your rubbish to pile up and clear it up once a year as a tenant.
I have seen this in action by someone near me, not only does it require more work all at once, that kind of thing can and very likely does encourage insects and rodents to take up residence.

The same for if the house strewn in clothes or bags of clothes or just a plain mess, it means they cant clean it, or work clothes, dirty? dusty? oily? it can be unhygenic and it can increase wear and tear and could affect the fabric of the building, ie it might encourage rodents or vermin in where they have a hidden place to sleep, dust to build up and not be accessible to be hoovered, you cant just expect to clean up once, not doing that allows a place to get into a worse state from which it can never be cleaned to the same extent.

Id like to see some photos at this stage myself and see how it is and let people determine then.

Why do you think most people that own a home dont live like animals and clean up once a year??? because its easier, better, more hygienic, more pleasant to live somewhere that is cleaned routinely little by little or as you go along. By no means is my home spotless, but it'd be a hovel if nothing was done bar once or twice a year, there are 3, I presume adults, thats right off the bat a third of the work load.

I am still not sure if you are serious or is that tongue in cheek?
Just because you are not kicking holes in the plaster or the doors down doesnt mean you can live as you please, you are expected to keep a property in good condition or as good as it was when you received it, at the least if someone isnt happy with how clean it is they should mention it, take note and clean as they would have it as they may live there for at least a year, maybe years, its that or not sign the lease and complain later.

I understand all that, but I'm not talking about extremes where rubbish is piling up or rodents are taking up residence but the op said 'untidy not dirty' surely there's limits to what a landlord can require. If I have clothes on my bedroom floor, an unmade bed, a glass with water on my locker and dishes on the sideboard overnight that's no-ones business as far as I'm concerned but I would consider the place a little messy.

makeorbrake

km991148 wrote: »

There is obviously a good reason in the LLs mind - however it could be anything (need the property for family member

Hmm...33 days since introducing the op to the property? I guess there's a possibility - but then the LL doesn't have to go making anything up if that's the reason - it's perfectly legitimate.

km991148 wrote: »

get new people in for higher rents

33 days after obviously deciding upon the current market rate? I guess it's possible but I'm sure you will agree, it's unlikely.

km991148 wrote:

the untidiness itself could be the reason.

I guess that's much more likely. However, 'untidiness' is unlikely to motivate a rational landlord to go through the pain of an eviction & reletting process ...not 'untidyness' as most people would understand the term, unless............

km991148

makeorbrake wrote: »

Hmm...33 days since introducing the op to the property? I guess there's a possibility - but then the LL doesn't have to go making anything up if that's the reason - it's perfectly legitimate.

33 days after obviously deciding upon the current market rate? I guess it's possible but I'm sure you will agree, it's unlikely.


I guess that's much more likely. However, 'untidiness' is unlikely to motivate a rational landlord to go through the pain of an eviction & reletting process ...not 'untidyness' as most people would understand the term, unless............

Thanks for the step by step deconstruction of my post - my point is (and it's my fault I should probably have been clearer) is that there could be any reason. We don't know this (as is often the case in these threads) as due to the nature of forums we only get one side.

I agree, It doesn't sound great tho and in truth the full story is probably a combination of all the op's points as well some other LL issues. Its now escalated to threats of eviction and there is probably no way for this tenancy to continue amicably.

Off topic part of post:
All that is left now is a protracted boards.ie thread with some passive aggressive posts concerning LL vs Tenants rights, with some meandering common off topic themes thrown in for good measure..

makeorbrake

km991148 wrote: »

my point is (and it's my fault I should probably have been clearer) is that there could be any reason. We don't know this (as is often the case in these threads) as due to the nature of forums we only get one side.

I agree completely as tenants don't get evicted for 'untidy' rooms (if we take 'untidy' to mean what it means for the majority of people).

km991148 wrote: »

Off topic part of post:
All that is left now is a protracted boards.ie thread with some passive aggressive posts concerning LL vs Tenants rights, with some meandering common off topic themes thrown in for good measure..

Such is the way of threads of this nature on boards. Contrasting polarised views remain exactly that.:P