Planning Premission Day Dream :P

alanED

Hi folks,

I hope this is the right target audience for this query!
Myself and my OH have been renting for 4 years, we love where we live and want to stay in the area.

So beside where we live is a bit of land, big enough to get a house on – Its owned by the council and its essentially a piece of waste land.
Its completely overgrown to the point of not accessible. It has never been looked after, people occasionally dump there.
It currently serves absolutely no function other than for rodents Id imagine.


I’ve looked at the Dublin city council zoning map and its zoned as Z9, by definition Z9 means:

“Amenity/Open Space Lands – Zone Z9
Land Use Zoning Objective Z9:
To preserve, provide and improve recreational
amenity and open space.
This zoning includes all amenity open space lands
which can be divided into three broad categories as
follows:
1. Public open space
2. Private open space
3. Sports facilities in private ownership”

So the question is, how do I build a house there!

Can land zoning be challenged, can council sell land for the purpose I want it?

Any thoughts would be much appreciated!

Al

irishmover

The provision of public open space is essential to the development of a strategic green
network. The policy chapters, especially chapters 6 and 17, detailing the policies and
objectives for landscape, biodiversity, open space and recreation and standards respectively,
should be consulted to inform any proposed development.
Generally, the only new development allowed in these areas, other than the
amenity/recreational uses themselves are those associated with the open space use.
Specifically, residential development shall not be permitted on public or privately owned open
space apart from limited once off development on lands accommodating private sports
facilities as detailed below.
In the case of sports facilities in private ownership, Dublin City Council recognises that a
number of such facilities are under pressure to relocate so as to release resources for the
maintenance and development of the club or sports facility. In highly exceptional
circumstances, where it is considered to be required to secure, protect and consolidate the
sporting and amenity nature of the lands and retain the facility in the local area, some limited
degree of residential development may be permitted, on such sites on a once off basis and
subject to the primary use of the site being retained for sporting/amenity use.

Zoning Objective Z9:
Permissible Uses
Club house and associated facilities, Municipal golf course, Open space, Public service
installation which would not be detrimental to the amenity of Z9 zoned lands.
Open for Consideration Uses
Car park for recreational purposes, Caravan park/Camp site (holiday), Community facility,
Craft centre/craft shop, Crèche, Cultural/recreational building and uses, Golf course and
clubhouse, Kiosk, Tea room.

http://www.dublincitydevelopmentplan.ie/pdf/CH15_Land_use_zoning.pdf

Pretty sure you're out of luck..

alanED

I had kind of thought so to be honest - its such a waste!

sydthebeat

ive seen cases where the "green space" is deemed more incidental to the layout, rather than as a useable amenity space, and the council can be favourable to applications such as this.
by the way you are describing it, it sounds like its not an amenity space really.

what you need to do is first contact the council to see if the space can be purchased, after that, have a pre planing meeting to see what issues would arise in an application

alanED

I think its something we will look at - the fear is they let us buy it and then we can do nothing with it.
Was hoping on the off chance that someone might have already hit the hurdle.

You are right though, its not an amenity.
If a house was built, at least a proper pavement outside could be put in place.
It would remove the eyesore that it is and it would clear the site of trees/shrubs that are wrecking the road/pavement.

Something to be built on the land and the land maintained would be the best kind of amenity!

sydthebeat

alanED wrote: »

I think its something we will look at - the fear is they let us buy it and then we can do nothing with it.
Was hoping on the off chance that someone might have already hit the hurdle.

You are right though, its not an amenity.
If a house was built, at least a proper pavement outside could be put in place.
It would remove the eyesore that it is and it would clear the site of trees/shrubs that are wrecking the road/pavement.

Something to be built on the land and the land maintained would be the best kind of amenity!

youd be buying it subject to getting permission

alanED

I shall investigate - thanks for your help!

kevmbyrne

Hi, just wondering if you ever had any luck with the open space/amenity land?
I'm considering doing something similar myself and would love to know if anything ever came of it?

Thanks,
Kev