Vintage car statistics

18MonthsaSlave · 10-10-2014 11:36am #1

http://www.transport.ie/sites/default/files/publications/roads/english/irish-bulletin-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2013/irish-bulletin-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2013.pdf

See page 4 of this report.

There is an increase in the number of vintage vehicles of 44% or over 12,000 in the space of a year.

Bye, Bye low road tax for vintage vehicles.
Without seeing those 12,000 cars my gut instinct is that there is motor tax evasion going on.

18MonthsaSlave · 10-10-2014 11:59am

According to response from CSO the figures don't include cars declared as off the road so the 2013 change for motor taxation isn't having an impact here.

wexie · 10-10-2014 12:03pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

According to response from CSO the figures don't include cars declared as off the road so the 2013 change for motor taxation isn't having an impact here.

Could it not be the other way around? That there were many vehicles languishing away in sheds that finally got registered in advance of the new legislation?

I'd find it hard to believe there are all of a sudden 12000 more vintage cars on the road, where would they even have come from? I think we'd have noticed them out and about no?

18MonthsaSlave · 10-10-2014 12:08pm

No, it is a measure of tax discs, not statuatory off road declaration.
Those cars still wouldn't have a tax disc.

wexie · 10-10-2014 12:11pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

No, it is a measure of tax discs, not statuatory off road declaration.
Those cars still wouldn't have a tax disc.

I got that, what I meant people with an old shed in the shed figuring, ah sure for the sake of 56 quid a year I'd rather not have the hassle. I have one myself like that and I doubt I'm the only one?

18MonthsaSlave · 10-10-2014 12:13pm

Accepted but I doubt that counts for more than 10% of the increase.

Kenny Logins · 10-10-2014 12:19pm

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/car-registrations

Kenny Logins · 10-10-2014 12:27pm

No idea what that means BTW, just thought it was an interesting coincidence considering the figures are way off...

bugsntinas · 10-10-2014 1:18pm

we don't drive our car for tax reasons we just love the car,nice,old and comfortable.

type85 · 10-10-2014 2:18pm

Seems like we have 22,821 Diesel v's 18,082 Petrol engined vintage vehicles (p23)

18MonthsaSlave · 10-10-2014 2:34pm

type85 wrote: »

Seems like we have 22,821 Diesel v's 18,082 Petrol engined vintage vehicles (p23)

That seems odd. That's an awful lot of vintage Mercs and Pugs.

type85 · 10-10-2014 2:37pm

well based on those two numbers the figures must be way off, as with the 12,000 increase from '12 -'13.

hi5 · 10-10-2014 3:17pm

I SORD'd 3 cars that had been not taxed for decades and were not previously on the system...old 40's and 50's cars, these cars are now on the tax office computer as diesels and the engine capacity is '1'.
I think they just slapped anything down.

Here's one
https://www.motorcheck.ie/free-car-check/zk717/

macplaxton · 10-10-2014 4:20pm

I wonder how robust the CSO figures are? (Given that the UK's DVLA released statistics for old vehicles can be quite flaky)

wexie · 10-10-2014 5:42pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

That seems odd. That's an awful lot of vintage Mercs and Pugs.

Don't forget these guys :
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18MonthsaSlave · 10-10-2014 5:43pm

Hi XXXX,

The bulletin is based on the number of vehicles under current taxation/licence at 31st December 2013. This has always been the procedure used. It does not include vehicles which were declared off the road.

Kind Regards
XXXXX
Data Services

They say they are not included.

18MonthsaSlave · 10-10-2014 5:44pm

A LandRover wouldn't allow itself be forgotten about. it is the chuck norris of classic cars

macplaxton · 10-10-2014 9:12pm

I'm not buying this. Whilst there's a claim from the CSO/DTTAS (or whatever dept) that it doesn't include SORD'd vehicles, it must included something like it as there's no real explanation for the massive increase. SORD'd vehicles get a motor tax reminder spewed out. There's definitely some double-counting going on and here's why:

Irish_vintage_veteran_vehicle_stats_2001-2013 - (compiled from data from "Irish Bulletin of Vehicle and Driver Statistics 2000-2013" (Dept. of Transport, Tourism and Sport, Ireland) by macplaxton, on Flickr

(click on image for larger view)

Looking back over previous years figures the last set are so off the scale, it merits treble checking them as there doesn't seem to be any sightings of these invisible vehicles.

Looking at the trend, it has been downward in the last 3 years. If it continued downward to 2.1%, that would only be 595 more vehicles than last year. If it was the same at 4.2%, then it would only be 1190 more to the pool. If the increase matched the highest year of 20.35%, that would still only be 5766 more vehicles. If it was the average increase between 2001-2012 of 14.78%, that would be 4008 vehicles. Going by total numbers of vehicles registrations I would have expected the proportion to be 1.2-1.3% of the total vehicle parc and be 1500 min - 4000 max more.

An increase of 12654 my arse!

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