Dublin Hurlers are 'Manufactured'

deadybai

Who agrees with this? Its been floating around the last two years and I think its the biggest load of nonsense. At the end of the day its always going to be 15 vs 15. Who even said this in the first place? Just read an article with Danny Sutcliffe stating his annoyance with the statement and I would be fairly annoyed too if I were him. Plus when it comes to tradition, Dublin last won the All Ireland in 1938 since Waterford haven't won since 1959 and before 1995 Clare had not won since 1914.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/sutcliffe-urges-dublin-to-think-big-on-new-hurling-boss-30644032.html

Boom__Boom

It's one of those statements that are so stupid, all it's good for, is that it's a quick and easy way to mark anyone who repeats it as an idiot straight away.

CrabRevolution

Such sh*te talk. Barring maybe Offaly's rise in the 80s, the "traditional" hurling counties have been set in stone since Dublin were last winning in the 30s. As soon as Dublin start to rise again you start hearing this and that about how they arent real hurlers and they dont have some magic spark that people from Tipp or Wexford somehow have. Its nothing but jealousy really. The only "manufacturing" of Dublin hurlers was done by their parents 20+ years ago.

Reminds me of Pat Spillane on the Sunday Game saying how despite being identical in every single way, Kerry's style of stifling, defensive football is more pure and righteous than any other county's style of stifling defensive football.

Mountainlad

I don't think it's the correct way to express the view point but I would think that there must be a strong emphasis on the physical development of Dublin underage teams and possibly not enough on the development of technical skills because when you look at some of the players that seems to be lacking in them.

Danny Sutcliffe being one of the exceptions to this, a brilliant hurler.

corny

Mountainlad wrote: »

I don't think it's the correct way to express the view point but I would think that there must be a strong emphasis on the physical development of Dublin underage teams and possibly not enough on the development of technical skills because when you look at some of the players that seems to be lacking in them.

Danny Sutcliffe being one of the exceptions to this, a brilliant hurler.

Nonsense. Just because a lad lacks skill doesn't mean there's a strong emphasis on physical development. Thats fallacious reasoning. Simple fact is Dublin aren't as skilful because they just aren't as skilful.

BTW Dublin have some fine skilful hurlers Rushe, Sutcliffe. Some of them are held back because of a lack of 'physical development' Dotsy, McCrabbe.

Mountainlad

corny wrote: »

Nonsense. Just because a lad lacks skill doesn't mean there's a strong emphasis on physical development. Thats fallacious reasoning. Simple fact is Dublin aren't as skilful because they just aren't as skilful.

BTW Dublin have some fine skilful hurlers Rushe, Sutcliffe. Some of them are held back because of a lack of 'physical development' Dotsy, McCrabbe.

Rushe is one additional player to who I mentioned. Dotsy is plenty skillful, he's small but wouldn't have said he lacked physical development per say. McCrabbe I think is dreadfully over rated.

There underage teams tend to be quite big, 2011 minor team a prime example. Not really exposed to the scene there so don't know. Maybe must was too strong a word, a theory is all it is but maybe a bit much too write it off as nonsense.

With a big pool and the resources that are there it's hard for me to see how exactly they aren't producing more highly skilled players. I think the issue extends a bit further than "they just aren't there".


A lot to be said for Donal Og's claim that everyone to a large extent is 'a manufactured hurler', based on the hard work they put in pucking a ball off a wall or in a field with friends etc on top of everything else.

DoctaDee

Truth of the matter is that most of the naturally gifted hurlers in Dublin are now playing football. The likes of Lowndes, Costello, Kilkenny, McHugh and O'Conghaile have put their foot into the football camp

Fireball07

The phrase "manufactured hurlers" doesn't actually make sense. I would echo MountainLad's sentiments in that Dublin don't have as many hurlers with huge amounts of natural skilll as some other counties have...... say, Clare at the moment have loads of nippy hurlers with bagfuls of skill. What they're probably missing is a couple of top ball-winners.


Dublin have a handful of really good hurlers, but some of them are more built around power and direct running (which is a huge asset) than say the "wristy style" as Cyril Farrell might put it.


I don't know what the reason for that is, the dual things probably doesn't help.

marco_polo

Silly suggestion really, you could nearly say the same thing about Clare and our current crop of young hurlers since we only figured out about a decade ago that things like underage development/coaching etc are actually important. Proper development from a young age is especially important in hurling so you could really argue that any county with a strong pool of players has "manufactured" them.

corkoniense

If Ger Cunningham gets the manager's gig with Dublin, then prepare for the most stylish team ever 'manufactured'!

billyhead

DoctaDee wrote: »

Truth of the matter is that most of the naturally gifted hurlers in Dublin are now playing football. The likes of Lowndes, Costello, Kilkenny, McHugh and O'Conghaile have put their foot into the football camp

You can also add Thomas Brady, Rory O'Carroll and I believe Dermot Connolly wasn't a bad hurler. The talent is being produced however Football will always be the bigger attraction for players talented at both codes. BTW do any Cork hurling fans think Ger Cunningham would be a good replacement for Daly?

Mountainlad

billyhead wrote: »

You can also add Thomas Brady, Rory O'Carroll and I believe Dermot Connolly wasn't a bad hurler. The talent is being produced however Football will always be the bigger attraction for players talented at both codes. BTW do any Cork hurling fans think Ger Cunningham would be a good replacement for Daly?

Is it Cork's Ger Cunningham or Limerick's that is being touted?

And also didn't Rory O Carroll play with the hurlers for a while? Don't remember him being particularly good. And Diarmuid Connolly might be good, but big difference between that and top level inter county. Tomas Brady was very good, and was with the hurlers longer than he's been with the footballers.

Rightwing

There's truth in it, no question about that. Someone with little experience of the game, would NOT be able to identify it however.

Rightwing

Mountainlad wrote: »

Is it Cork's Ger Cunningham or Limerick's that is being touted?

And also didn't Rory O Carroll play with the hurlers for a while? Don't remember him being particularly good. And Diarmuid Connolly might be good, but big difference between that and top level inter county. Tomas Brady was very good, and was with the hurlers longer than he's been with the footballers.

Cork's. Don't ask me why.

Dr. Bre

this is not the xfactor

freddiek

I don't understand why Dublin won't appoint one of their own.

Surely there is enough Hurling expertise within the county at this stage.

BonnieSituation

If there was they'd be appointed. There isn't so there's not.

The Dublin CB know what they're at.

ArielAtom

freddiek wrote: »

I don't understand why Dublin won't appoint one of their own.

Surely there is enough Hurling expertise within the county at this stage.

I suppose it's a bit like Kildare football, not enough experience a the top level to appoint from within the county.