Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

The Moldy Gowl · 24-10-2014 01:11PM

kstand wrote: »

So he could get shoved around like a child?

As much as Danny being Limited, his pace and his ability to harras a man isnt one. He would have done a 'job'.
Would prefer him over valencia

Whatsisname · 24-10-2014 01:12PM

kstand wrote: »

Our 2 full back would want to buck their act up a fair bit after the other night. Rafael is a headless chicken and Shaw was caught rotten for the first goal. We wont keep a clean sheet with that back 4. And I don't think Blind has the pace in front of them to cover when the game is stretched.

Rafael has been probably our best defender so far. But yeah sure he's a headless chicken. Let's put a proper RB in Valencia instead. Stupid sentence.

BloodBath · 24-10-2014 01:15PM

Yeah I'm not sure where that's coming from.

You could blame multiple people for west broms second goal last Monday.

Rafael for playing him onside, Jones for coming out, Rojo for not covering or Blind for forcing Jones to come out in the first place.

It's just shaky defending from a new team setup. Give them time to gain an understanding of each other and what they should be doing.

bangkok · 24-10-2014 01:34PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Carrick is not good in the air. It's debatable whether he'd be better than Hererra or Blind at defending set pieces and both of those will be much better in open play than he will be just now.

based on herreras performance v west brom he might not be starting sunday if carrick has done well in behind closed door friendly

Pro. F · 24-10-2014 01:36PM

bangkok wrote: »

based on herreras performance v west brom he might not be starting sunday if carrick has done well in behind closed door friendly

if

bangkok · 24-10-2014 01:38PM

Pro. F wrote: »

if

carrick also has 10 years experience playing at the top level, Herrera still has to answer a few questions and is just back from a cracked rib

BloodBath · 24-10-2014 01:42PM

I'm willing to bet €100 that Carrick will not start the game.

Are you forgetting how poor he was the last time he came back from a long injury?

Not to mention the fact that he has not played a single minute under Van Gaal and the new system yet.

bangkok · 24-10-2014 01:43PM

BloodBath wrote: »

I'm willing to bet €100 that Carrick will not start the game.

Are you forgetting how poor he was the last time he came back from a long injury?

Not to mention the fact that he has not played a single minute under Van Gaal and the new system yet.

Hahahaha what system is that?! we actually have no system at the moment

Pro. F · 24-10-2014 01:43PM

bangkok wrote: »

carrick also has 10 years experience playing at the top level, Herrera still has to answer a few questions and is just back from a cracked rib

Experience has never stopped Carrick from being a slow starter before now. If he has played well in friendlies or training games or whatever then he should be under consideration. It is not likely that that is the case.

BloodBath · 24-10-2014 01:47PM

bangkok wrote: »

Hahahaha what system is that?! we actually have no system at the moment

Not sure what games you are watching but we have been playing a 4-1-2-1-2 diamond formation for the last 4-5 games now and it has been largely effective apart from our defensive frailties.

We look 10 times better than we did last season already and it's early days.

bangkok · 24-10-2014 01:53PM

BloodBath wrote: »

Not sure what games you are watching but we have been playing a 4-1-2-1-2 diamond formation for the last 4-5 games now and it has been largely effective apart from our defensive frailties.

We look 10 times better than we did last season already and it's early days.

10 times better? last season we had already played city, Chelsea and Liverpool and we are only a point better off this year. my point is carrick is our best defensive midfielder player without doubt. Did you not see blind v Leicester away when we fell apart?

BloodBath · 24-10-2014 01:58PM

I base how we're playing on the football I see on the pitch, not on points. We are playing a far better brand of football than we were last season after massive upheaval in the team. Even more so than last season with so many new players and many of the old crew gone.

I'm more than happy with how the team is playing so far which is more than I can say about last season. I already wanted Moyes out at this stage. It's obvious to see what Van Gaal is trying to do and it's working for the most part.

Our defence just is not good enough yet which hasn't been helped by massive injury problems.

If you fail to take these things into consideration and only base your opinions on point tallies then you should stop watching football.

Blind is not an out and out defensive mid. Carrick is not the solution either though. Strootman is if we can nab him in January.

Pro. F · 24-10-2014 01:59PM

BloodBath wrote: »

Not sure what games you are watching but we have been playing a 4-1-2-1-2 diamond formation for the last 4-5 games now and it has been largely effective apart from our defensive frailties.

We look 10 times better than we did last season already and it's early days.

We're no better than we were last season. We've just swapped from being useless attacking to being useless defensively. It's early days yet and it could still be turned around, but as it stands we're no better off.

We didn't play with the diamond last game btw.

bucketybuck · 24-10-2014 02:00PM

BloodBath wrote: »

I'm willing to bet €100 that Carrick will not start the game.

Are you forgetting how poor he was the last time he came back from a long injury?

Not to mention the fact that he has not played a single minute under Van Gaal and the new system yet.

Do you think LVG will remember how poor he was last time he came back from injury, seeing as LVG wasn't the manager then? Because thats what you are risking your money on.

BloodBath wrote: »

it has been largely effective apart from our defensive frailties.

It kinda hasn't been though, and it would have looked worse if we had played any decent teams.

bangkok · 24-10-2014 02:04PM

BloodBath wrote: »

I base how we're playing on the football I see on the pitch, not on points. We are playing a far better brand of football than we were last season after massive upheaval in the team. Even more so than last season with so many new players and many of the old crew gone.

I'm more than happy with how the team is playing so far which is more than I can say about last season. I already wanted Moyes out at this stage. It's obvious to see what Van Gaal is trying to do and it's working for the most part.

Our defence just is not good enough yet which hasn't been helped by massive injury problems.

If you fail to take these things into consideration and only base your opinions on point tallies then you should stop watching football.

Blind is not an out and out defensive mid. Carrick is not the solution either though. Strootman is if we can nab him in January.

so where does blind fit into the team if we sign Strootman in January then?

bucketybuck · 24-10-2014 02:08PM

BloodBath wrote: »

I base how we're playing on the football I see on the pitch, not on points. We are playing a far better brand of football than we were last season after massive upheaval in the team. Even more so than last season with so many new players and many of the old crew gone.

I'm more than happy with how the team is playing so far which is more than I can say about last season.

Personally, I'm starting to think that when people say we are playing better football, they really mean that Di Maria is an exciting footballer, because damn sure most of the rest of them aren't showing much.

RVP is playing poor, Falcao barely figured yet, Mata has been rubbish, Adnan did nowt in his limited gametime. Blind and Herrera looked ok against weak teams but have flattered to deceive since. Rooney has been good and bad.

Are we really playing better, or is the excitement of Di Maria masking over a lot of problems?

kstand · 24-10-2014 02:11PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Rafael has been probably our best defender so far. But yeah sure he's a headless chicken. Let's put a proper RB in Valencia instead. Stupid sentence.

Says a lot if you think he has been our best defender so far.

BloodBath · 24-10-2014 02:14PM

We're playing much better attacking possession based football. It's not nearly as negative as it was last season.

Of course that's made possible by some of the new signings as well as tactics.

The fact that we're doing ok despite some of our big players not performing is encouraging imo. Once they find some form and we shore things up at the back I think we'll be a force to be reckoned with.

I am 100% confident we will get top 4 this season.

so where does blind fit into the team if we sign Strootman in January then?

Utility player. Midfield or left back.

bangkok · 24-10-2014 02:17PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Personally, I'm starting to think that when people say we are playing better football, they really mean that Di Maria is an exciting footballer, because damn sure most of the rest of them aren't showing much.

RVP is playing poor, Falcao barely figured yet, Mata has been rubbish, Adnan did nowt in his limited gametime. Blind and Herrera looked ok against weak teams but have flattered to deceive since. Rooney has been good and bad.

Are we really playing better, or is the excitement of Di Maria masking over a lot of problems?

yes agree 100% with this, we signed a world class player and he is the only one who has played well.

rvp, mata have been rubbish, falcao hasn't played enough yet, rooney poor, adnan nothing of note, Valencia young done nothing, blind Herrera ok, shaw Rafael jones rojo all poor enough, de gea class, kept us in a lot of games

Whatsisname · 24-10-2014 02:49PM

kstand wrote: »

Says a lot if you think he has been our best defender so far.

Who has been better?

Evans has been a calamity.

Jones was doing decent then got injured.

I personally like Rojo but he's still finding his feet.

Shaw's only played about 3 games and caught out of position a few times already.

Smalling has got himself injured as usual.

Blackett/McNair have done ok for their age, nothing special is expected.

kstand · 24-10-2014 03:08PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Who has been better?

Evans has been a calamity.

Jones was doing decent then got injured.

I personally like Rojo but he's still finding his feet.

Shaw's only played about 3 games and caught out of position a few times already.

Smalling has got himself injured as usual.

Blackett/McNair have done ok for their age, nothing special is expected.

I blame Rafael for the loss at Leicester - and he was a yard too far behind the line for the second West Brom goal last night. That and his tendency to go haring off up the pitch and completely exposing that flank on occasion - he took off at one point the other night and was up on the edge of their penalty box when by the D when the attack broke down and only for I think Blind covered him by fouling the man going past him and we were in trouble again. He's great going forward and works his socks off but he's a liability at the back.

Whatsisname · 24-10-2014 03:19PM

kstand wrote: »

I blame Rafael for the loss at Leicester - and he was a yard too far behind the line for the second West Brom goal last night. That and his tendency to go haring off up the pitch and completely exposing that flank on occasion - he took off at one point the other night and was up on the edge of their penalty box when by the D when the attack broke down and only for I think Blind covered him by fouling the man going past him and we were in trouble again. He's great going forward and works his socks off but he's a liability at the back.

Ah in fairness, its harsh to blame one man for the team collapsing spectacularly. He was blatantly fouled by Vardy too for that "penalty". He did play them onside but I think there was a problem with each defender for the 2nd goal, someone highlighted it a few posts back so I won't repeat it.

kstand · 24-10-2014 03:32PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Ah in fairness, its harsh to blame one man for the team collapsing spectacularly. He was blatantly fouled by Vardy too for that "penalty". He did play them onside but I think there was a problem with each defender for the 2nd goal, someone highlighted it a few posts back so I won't repeat it.

Yeah he was fouled and Vardy was looking for retaliation but he should have held his cool - it was a total turning point in a game we should have won comfortably. He has a habit of jumping in at times esp when he feels hard done by and we paid a huge price for what he did in that game.
As for the other night, Jones didn't need to push up as far as he did going for the ball, but Rafael was at fault for not holding the line.