Welfare is crippling the country.

walshyp

How are people on the dole able to afford cars, have nice smart phones, go on holidays etc.

Welfare is pure and pure crippling Ireland with the middle income getting an absolute bollixing.

I know that a lot of people are suffering on it but then others are living the life to be honest and getting a free council house while there at it. Why should they get a council house and someone working and actually paying taxes getting crippled to bits?

Should the people that are working not be getting the rewards and not the people who have not worked in their lives and a lovely free house for themselves.

How can we fix this welfare attitude?

michael999999

This is original!

walshyp

michael999999 wrote: »

This is original!

How can we solve the problem? Or more importantly how can the government solve it?

Dr Turk Turkelton

I think you should get out to Vincent Brown's studio fairly quick.

punisher5112

They will be along shortly and slate you for starting this thread.

What I always hear is the poor single parents and they have no money for the baby and they need a house.

I had to leave Dublin with rents so high and I work and get no help.

Great country for entitlement.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

walshyp wrote: »

How can we fix this welfare attitude?

Well, doing some research before running your mouth on a public forum would be a good start.

thrashmetalfan

how can we solve the problem of all these dole and benefits threads that get started. its the same old same old. maybe the should have a forum of their own so they wont clog up after hours, politics etc. walshyp please please please on behalf of everyone on the planet knock this on the head. thank you!! and good night I am going to bed!

walshyp

punisher5112 wrote: »

They will be along shortly and slate you for starting this thread.

What I always hear is the poor single parents and they have no money for the baby and they need a house.

I had to leave Dublin with rents so high and I work and get no help.

Great country for entitlement.

Know a young couple on welfare and a council house with a young child.
Have a PS4, each have a Iphone 5 and a car between them. Although not a great car! And are in the pub most weekends.

Shakespeare's Sister

On what basis is it "crippling" the country?

It's not mathematically possible to afford all that flash stuff, even on maximum benefits - particularly with kids. Those dodgy loan companies exist for a reason.

AlekSmart

walshyp wrote: »

How can we solve the problem? Or more importantly how can the government solve it?

Problem...?

Is this a Problem?

If so,when did it become a problem...?

There's too much made of this oul work-ethic crac....you can get by without the half of it...and sure where's the harum in that....

There'a a Queue forming,btw....:)

Tiddlypeeps

Could you present some data to show how many people are on the dole because they can't be bothered looking for work? During the boom we had very little unemployment. What changed that all of a sudden 11% of the population became lazy good for nothings? Is it something in the water? Or maybe, now this is a little bit out there, their might be a lack of jobs, but I guess that is a crazy notion.

_Brian

In fairness I don't think the problem is welfare.

From what I see people living this lifestyle you describe are working and drawing, this is a separate problem to welfare rates and allowances.

better call saul

A dole bashing thread, I've never seen this before!

walshyp

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well, doing some research before running your mouth on a public forum would be a good start.

Looking for opinions and will be forwarding it to a TD.

vicwatson

I say bring back the Christmas bonus...and double it, hurrah !

Karl Stein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B436avtEXzs

AlekSmart

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well, doing some research before running your mouth on a public forum would be a good start.

Congratulations your Highness...first past the post ,you get to choose your fruit (for throwing) :eek:

Lalealynn

If you are a rightie on this issue speak up so I can add you to my ignore list please.

better call saul

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

On what basis is it "crippling" the country?

It's not mathematically possible to afford all that flash stuff, even on maximum benefits - particularly with kids. Those dodgy loan companies exist for a reason.

You're so left Beyoncé wrote a song about you

dr.bollocko

I thought this topic came up before and we all agreed we are cutting them all off and feeding the homeless to the poor. I was under the impression this was a done deal.

aidoh

walshyp wrote: »

How are people on the dole able to afford cars, have nice smart phones, go on holidays etc.

Welfare is pure and pure crippling Ireland with the middle income getting an absolute bollixing.

I know that a lot of people are suffering on it but then others are living the life to be honest and getting a free council house while there at it. Why should they get a council house and someone working and actually paying taxes getting crippled to bits?

Should the people that are working not be getting the rewards and not the people who have not worked in their lives and a lovely free house for themselves.

How can we fix this welfare attitude?

I can promise you we aren't.

CollyFlower

The fact is......, that people on welfare ARE better off than working people and I don't mean low paid workers, middle income earners end up worse off at the end of the month in regards of income!

better call saul

Lalealynn wrote: »

If you are a rightie on this issue speak up so I can add you to my ignore list please.

*raises hand*

I assume you're a sob story lefty? Sure we can ignore each other no harm done

walshyp

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Could you present some data to show how many people are on the dole because they can't be bothered looking for work? During the boom we had very little unemployment. What changed that all of a sudden 11% of the population became lazy good for nothings? Is it something in the water? Or maybe, now this is a little bit out there, their might be a lack of jobs, but I guess that is a crazy notion.

The problem is the country can't afford it now. People are better off on the dole than getting a minimum wage job and people don't want to do 40 hours a week for an extra 50 euro than what they would get on welfare.

jamesbere

Oh dole bashing thread (gets popcorn)

JC01

As unpopular an opinion as it is; end social housing altogether for starts.

Fair enough ya can't kick out people in a house 10 years but just decide from today that there is no such thing as a free gaff anymore and I'd say the whole welfare-entitlement sentiment wouldn't be long dieing off. If every parent in the country knows that the only way there children will ever leave the parental home is If they can afford to buy/rent elsewhere I'd imagine a lot more people would have a good work ethic instilled in them from day 1

Shakespeare's Sister

"Free" council houses are often in areas with a lot of problems - why is this presented as something to begrudge?

better call saul

aidoh wrote: »

I can promise you we aren't.

Of course you cant

Because you're not a scummy woman who has been riding rings around her with different men and sneaking her latest rodeo in under the cover of darkness so she can claim single parent...

sh1tstirrer

walshyp wrote: »

Know a young couple on welfare and a council house with a young child.
Have a PS4, each have a Iphone 5 and a car between them. Although not a great car! And are in the pub most weekends.

So they are giving most of what they are getting back, where's the problem

better call saul

vicwatson wrote: »

I say bring back the Christmas bonus...and double it, hurrah !

Is the Christmas bonus thing not a misnomer?

Tiddlypeeps

walshyp wrote: »

The problem is the country can't afford it now. People are better off on the dole than getting a minimum wage job and people don't want to do 40 hours a week for an extra 50 euro than what they would get on welfare.

You contradict yourself here. Which is it, do they make more on the dole or more in a minimum wage job?

Could you provide some actual numbers to back up either of those claims too please?

yipeeeee

What I want to know is how can these Nigerians afford their Volvo's, mercs and BMWs?

Here I am in my clapped out 01 Micra.

aidoh

better call saul wrote: »

Of course you cant

Because you're not a scummy woman who has been riding rings around her with different men and sneaking her latest rodeo in under the cover of darkness so she can claim single parent...

Sir are you on drugs?

Shakespeare's Sister

better call saul wrote: »

*raises hand*

I assume you're a sob story lefty? Sure we can ignore each other no harm done

But your anti government sentiment is very much in line with that of very far-left organisations.
Why does it have to be left/right too? What about centre? Or a small bit left or right or centre? Or a mixture of views from both camps?

NIMAN

Welfare is crippling the country, along with tax evasion, tax avoidance, the black market.

Chucken

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I thought this topic came up before and we all agreed we are cutting them all off and feeding the homeless to the poor. I was under the impression this was a done deal.

You left us before it was signed...in the blood of people who have no job while driving their car in a council house in Spain.

fleet_admiral

I know of a guy on the dole that regularly goes to black tie ball's, plays golf in the most expensive clubs in the country and counts brian o driscoll as his friends.
He also brought down anglo

The Backwards Man

People on the dole more than six months should be compelled to manufacture pitchforks and torches to sell to those in employment.

One stone, two birds.

walshyp

aidoh wrote: »

I can promise you we aren't.

I can promise you a lot of people are. I see it on my facebook all day long,makes me sick. I know that there a lot of people struggling.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AlekSmart wrote: »

Congratulations your Highness...first past the post ,you get to choose your fruit (for throwing) :eek:

Eh, no I wasn;t - four people got in before me...!

shruikan2553

I hear the Muslims are coming here to increase our welfare. If we went to their countries and told them to increase welfare they would tell us to piss off!

Her name was Lola

Personally, I think, there is no cure for them. Best all around to keep them housed, or they'll be in your house, ROBBING YOUR STUFF.
That's my opinions. The full of my opinions. *Nods head.

Chucken

The Backwards Man wrote: »

People on the dole more than six months should be compelled to manufacture pitchforks and torches to sell to those in employment.

One stone, two birds.

Said pitchforks could also be used by these ragamuffins, in the bog!
3 stones, or something?

TheSheriff

I know a lad I was in leaving cert with and since then (7 years later) he hasn't worked a day in his life. Hes been doling it ever since.

When we were 18 his mother encouraged him not to get a job as she'd loose some of her allowances for him. This ethic obviously stuck and now he hangs around the house all week and drinks his 188e at the weekend.

Meanwhile after 6 years of college I have to plan my finances meticulously to make ends meet.

Scum of the earth as far as I am concerned.

smellmepower

If you were actually unfortunate enough to have had to live off welfare payments for over a few weeks you would be singing a different tune OP. Also not everyone qualifies for medical card and other subsidiary benefits.

RA is pretty much useless (in Dublin anyway) because there's so much demand for housing that even the scummiest of LL's can pick and choose who to rent their awful gaffs to.

better call saul

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

But your anti government sentiment is very much in line with that of very far-left organisations.
Why does it have to be left/right too? What about centre? Or a small bit left or right or centre? Or a mixture of views from both camps?

LOUD NOISES!

shruikan2553

smellmepower wrote: »

If you were actually unfortunate enough to have had to live off welfare payments for over a few weeks you would be singing a different tune OP. Also not everyone qualifies for medical card and other subsidiary benefits.

RA is pretty much useless (in Dublin anyway) because there's so much demand for housing that even the scummiest of LL's can pick and choose who to rent their awful gaffs to.

Or as I would call it, a raise. No idea what I would do with the extra money.

The Backwards Man

Chucken wrote: »

Said pitchforks could also be used by these ragamuffins, in the bog!
3 stones, or something?

That's a turf grape, different thing from a pitchfork altogether.

El Weirdo

All these **** banging on about how fucking cushy it is living on the scratcher - stop fucking moaning about it, quit your fucking jobs and sign on.

Then you can have all the free housing, iPhones, holidays and days spent in the pub that you want.

Dicks.

better call saul

aidoh wrote: »

Sir are you on drugs?

Only ones to keep me from topping myself

Chucken

The Backwards Man wrote: »

That's a turf grape, different thing from a pitchfork altogether.

Oh I know what a pitchfork is..and what it's for






When I catch up with you :P