Diffing on the motorway

better call saul

Let's be honest most of us are doing 130 or 140 on the motorway

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

I am not, I'm in bed, I swear!

better call saul

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

I am not, I'm in bed, I swear!

*when driving on the motorway

catallus

So you're the prick who likes to drive in the "fast lane"!

Pull over into the driving lane when you see me coming the next time!

Some people!

dgt

Please tell me more about this motorway diffin and if possible, a demonstration to accompany the definition....

porsche959

Rule of thumb in the UK, police only prosecute if over 90mph on motorway. In fact if you are not doing 90mph in 'fast' lane, you will get blasted out of it.

Granted, they have mainly proper 4 lane motorways rather than our half-arsed dual carriageway motorways.

porsche959

dgt wrote: »

Please tell me more about this motorway diffin and if possible, a demonstration to accompany the definition....

There you go:

CiniO

better call saul wrote: »

Let's be honest most of us are doing 130 or 140 on the motorway

I don't think so.
On many occasions f.e. on M4 between Dublin and Galway when I'm doing 140km/h I'm overtaking 99% of vehicles while I'm being overtaken by 1%.
That rather makes me think that most people drive well below those speeds.

When doing 120km/h I still think I overtake at least 90% of other vehicles, and I'm overtaken only by about 10%.

dgt

porsche959 wrote: »

There you go:

Awwww..... I thought it was something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTeF65qxQxQ

Mycroft H

Think the rest of us have a different idea of what diffn is...

Del2005

porsche959 wrote: »

Rule of thumb in the UK, police only prosecute if over 90mph on motorway. In fact if you are not doing 90mph in 'fast' lane, you will get blasted out of it.

Granted, they have mainly proper 4 lane motorways rather than our half-arsed dual carriageway motorways.

In the UK they use a lot more average speed cameras and they do you for going a lot less than 90

Sir Arthur Daley

Welding the diff took the challenge out of diffing.

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

In the UK they use a lot more average speed cameras and they do you for going a lot less than 90

Only average speed cameras in UK I've seen were on road works.
Are they being used also on normal stretches of motorways?
Indeed through UK I've only really travelled on M6 and M1 and M25 and M20 between Holyhead and Dover (or M4 and M25 and M20) so I haven't seen all roads in that country, but only average speed cameras were on road works with speed limit of 50MPH

porsche959

Del2005 wrote: »

In the UK they use a lot more average speed cameras and they do you for going a lot less than 90

On motorways?

dgt

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Welding the diff took the challenge out of diffing.

Open diffs never stopped me....

131spanner

Finally, I thought, a thread about diffing. Oh well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdBhdEln548

corktina

porsche959 wrote: »

Rule of thumb in the UK, police only prosecute if over 90mph on motorway. In fact if you are not doing 90mph in 'fast' lane, you will get blasted out of it.

Granted, they have mainly proper 4 lane motorways rather than our half-arsed dual carriageway motorways.

1 you are likely to get a ticket in the UK at less than 90 if caught in a trap
2 you wont get blasted out of the "fast" lane at less than 90,although a small proportion of drivers will be doing that speed
3 they have very few 4 lane motorways and quite a lot of 2 lane ones still

have you never been there perhaps?

corktina

better call saul wrote: »

Let's be honest most of us are doing 130 or 140 on the motorway

That's nonsense. I try to keep to 120 and I pass out far more cars than pass me.

porsche959

corktina wrote: »

1 you are likely to get a ticket in the UK at less than 90 if caught in a trap
2 you wont get blasted out of the "fast" lane at less than 90,although a small proportion of drivers will be doing that speed
3 they have very few 4 lane motorways and quite a lot of 2 lane ones still

have you never been there perhaps?

Yep. I have driven from Holyhead to Poole.

And from Poole to Pembroke.

Admittedly, this was some time back, late nineties, but back then driving at 90-100mph in the inner lane on a four laner was the norm, maybe it's different now.

I will take your word for it that most of UK motorways aren't 4 laners, my experience was mainly M5/M6.

wonski

porsche959 wrote: »

Yep. I have driven from Holyhead to Poole.

And from Poole to Pembroke.

Admittedly, this was some time back, late nineties, but back then driving at 90-100mph in the inner lane on a four laner was the norm, maybe it's different now.

I will take your word for it that most of UK motorways aren't 4 laners, my experience was mainly M5/M6.

Things have changed since late 90's. Traffic, cars, police, roads... everything really.

ardle1

better call saul wrote: »

Let's be honest most of us are doing 130 or 140 on the motorway

You do mean MPH, dont you? 0-60 in uner 6sec's..:eek:
Not great quality, copied this from my mates mobile, in his Subi on the M1..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRDhq8KW7Uc

Anjobe

porsche959 wrote: »

Yep. I have driven from Holyhead to Poole.

And from Poole to Pembroke.

Admittedly, this was some time back, late nineties, but back then driving at 90-100mph in the inner lane on a four laner was the norm, maybe it's different now.

I will take your word for it that most of UK motorways aren't 4 laners, my experience was mainly M5/M6.

The vast majority of the UK motorway network is 3-lane, with 4-lanes generally just on particularly congested sections around the major cities.

Doing 100 mph on the motorway in the UK is, and would always have been, considered highly excessive and is likely to lead to instant disqualification if caught. The received wisdom there is that the police enforce a motorway limit of 80 mph.

Having said that there always seems to be lots of speeders on the routes to Holyhead and Fishguard/Pembroke, must be people worried about missing their ferry.

CianRyan

Mycroft H wrote: »

Think the rest of us have a different idea of what diffn is...

A skewed understanding it seems...
What would you perceive it to be?

The rest of the world would agree with the post you replied to, bar the 9 of you in this thread.
Diffin

Cantona's Collars

Gorey bypass is very popular for diffin' there's nearly as much rubber on stretches of the road as there is tarmac.

Special Circumstances

CianRyan wrote: »

A skewed understanding it seems...
What would you perceive it to be?

The rest of the world would agree with the post you replied to, bar the 9 of you in this thread.

I'd imagine diffing is quite difficult to do at 130 or 140 on the motor way as mentioned by the op.

Unless he meant 130 or 140 rotations, because I can't connect 130 or 140 SI units of velocity ;-) with any normal understanding of diffing that "we'd all be at"

But if we're just talking rowntrees randoms, then yes I do often be jelly giraffing my snowflake teapot on the ol crocodile hat.

Edit, btw I know you understand diffing to be actual diffing and just misinterpreted mycroft, my rant is aimed at the amount of fail this thread has.

Toyotafanboi

zerks wrote: »

Gorey bypass is very popular for diffin' there's nearly as much rubber on stretches of the road as there is tarmac.

living on a local road just off the north gorey exit and holy moly i don't know the people get away with it!

Stepping Stone

CiniO wrote: »

Only average speed cameras in UK I've seen were on road works.
Are they being used also on normal stretches of motorways?
Indeed through UK I've only really travelled on M6 and M1 and M25 and M20 between Holyhead and Dover (or M4 and M25 and M20) so I haven't seen all roads in that country, but only average speed cameras were on road works with speed limit of 50MPH

They are mainly used on sections with roadworks but they are extremely common in areas where there are high levels of traffic and congestion. They locally reduce the speed limit and use the average speed cameras to enforce it. The M6 around Birmingham is a good example.

Generally, people don't break the motorway speed limit. There are plenty of cameras, traffic police, etc. Also, motorways are used for long distance commutes, so traffic tends to stick around the 50-60mph region. You wouldn't really be bombing it all the way from London to Edinburgh, would you? Then again, the roads that I am most familiar with are the A1, M1, A6 and the A5. Long distance drivers and heavy traffic.

CathalDublin

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

living on a local road just off the north gorey exit and holy moly i don't know the people get away with it!

Yea, I'd have thought the council would have moved you on by now:eek:

Trojan

The last car I had on the motorway was at 3400 RPM @ 110km/h and drinking petrol like it was going out of fashion at that, so I was not doing 130, no chance.

Indricotherium

porsche959 wrote: »

Rule of thumb in the UK, police only prosecute if over 90mph on motorway. In fact if you are not doing 90mph in 'fast' lane, you will get blasted out of it.

Granted, they have mainly proper 4 lane motorways rather than our half-arsed dual carriageway motorways.

You have obviously never driven for any distance on a UK motorway.

A lot of them are dreadful. Unlit, lane markings worn off the tarmac, Queues miles and miles long, slow moving traffic, POT HOLES!!

Add to this that they are chronically over capacity and you have a dreadful mix.

Ireland's Motorways are superior to the majority of the UK's in my experience.

for the most part, Motorways in Ireland are less than 10-15 years old, well lit and sparsely used. You literally could not drive on a UK motorway above the speed limit for any lenght of time, because You'd be into the back of a queue of traffic within 5 minutes.

revileandy

I drive the M1 each morning southbound and most people are content to do 80-90 kmh in the offside lane while eating breakfast / applying makeup / having a chat on the phone, the usual stuff - you'd be lucky to even hit 120 kmh with some of these clowns.

I've done a few holidays in France, most recently earlier this month & the standard of Motorway driving over there is excellent, it's a pleasure to drive.

EVERYONE drives in the nearside lane except for when overtaking, they floor it, overtake and pull straight back in - so simple and effective.

Special Circumstances

How's their diffing tho? Incroyable?

CiniO

Stepping Stone wrote: »

They are mainly used on sections with roadworks but they are extremely common in areas where there are high levels of traffic and congestion. They locally reduce the speed limit and use the average speed cameras to enforce it. The M6 around Birmingham is a good example.

Generally, people don't break the motorway speed limit. There are plenty of cameras, traffic police, etc. Also, motorways are used for long distance commutes, so traffic tends to stick around the 50-60mph region. You wouldn't really be bombing it all the way from London to Edinburgh, would you? Then again, the roads that I am most familiar with are the A1, M1, A6 and the A5. Long distance drivers and heavy traffic.

I would if I could.
That's 650km so if I travelled average at 180km/h it would take only just over 3.5 hours.

Cantona's Collars

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

living on a local road just off the north gorey exit and holy moly i don't know the people get away with it!

Some night there's gonna be one hell of an accident,imagine heading along there at 120kp/h and all of a sudden there's some clown doing burnouts in the middle of the motorway.

Stepping Stone

CiniO wrote: »

I would if I could.
That's 650km so if I travelled average at 180km/h it would take only just over 3.5 hours.

You would have to drive it once to experience it. The roads are in a bad condition. There is constantly reasonably heavy traffic. City bypasses are constantly choked and you end up queuing regularly. There are reduced speed limits on some sections permanently, due to the heavy traffic and poor roads. You would truthfully be lucky to see Leeds from London in 3.5hrs. Lots of traffic police and speed cameras too.

It isn't like Ireland where the road opens up in front of you. It is an old, congested and difficult system which is generally viewed as utopia in Ireland. If you did accelerate and break the speed limit, I would give you 5km max before you slowed again. Night travel isn't much better because that is when the trucks are on the road. I swear that they never show the real state of the roads in the UK on tv.

YbFocus

CiniO wrote: »

I would if I could.
That's 650km so if I travelled average at 180km/h it would take only just over 3.5 hours.

To average 180km/h you'd have to top well over 200 for bits of the journey!
Like if slowed by something to the 120 Mark you'd need the equal time at 240km/h to even that out.
Am impossible feat on uk motorways

Hachiko

CiniO wrote: »

Only average speed cameras in UK I've seen were on road works.
Are they being used also on normal stretches of motorways?
Indeed through UK I've only really travelled on M6 and M1 and M25 and M20 between Holyhead and Dover (or M4 and M25 and M20) so I haven't seen all roads in that country, but only average speed cameras were on road works with speed limit of 50MPH

lots of average speed cams, you will get bust if over the limit, as for motorways you probably can get away with 90 there as from my experience on the fast lane cars do not hang around, indeed on the lane next to the fast lane on most motorways you will get blown away doing 70mph too.

corktina

Has anyone commented it's not the fast lane yet?

CiniO

Stepping Stone wrote: »

You would have to drive it once to experience it. The roads are in a bad condition. There is constantly reasonably heavy traffic. City bypasses are constantly choked and you end up queuing regularly. There are reduced speed limits on some sections permanently, due to the heavy traffic and poor roads. You would truthfully be lucky to see Leeds from London in 3.5hrs. Lots of traffic police and speed cameras too.

It isn't like Ireland where the road opens up in front of you. It is an old, congested and difficult system which is generally viewed as utopia in Ireland. If you did accelerate and break the speed limit, I would give you 5km max before you slowed again. Night travel isn't much better because that is when the trucks are on the road. I swear that they never show the real state of the roads in the UK on tv.

YbFocus wrote: »

To average 180km/h you'd have to top well over 200 for bits of the journey!
Like if slowed by something to the 120 Mark you'd need the equal time at 240km/h to even that out.
Am impossible feat on uk motorways

Hachiko wrote: »

lots of average speed cams, you will get bust if over the limit, as for motorways you probably can get away with 90 there as from my experience on the fast lane cars do not hang around, indeed on the lane next to the fast lane on most motorways you will get blown away doing 70mph too.

Well I remember once I was lucky enough to be travelling through Germany overnight. Traffic was minimal in some places nearly non existent. Weather conditions very good.
I travelled between Görlitz and Dortmund (630km) in about 4 hours. That gives average of nearly 160km/h. Indeed to achieve it I had to keep the car at it's max speed (about 205km/h) whenever it was possible. I only slowed down on speed limit (which are very few on that stretch) and around cities where traffic was higher.

Another thing that after 4 hours of such travelling I was wrecked, as you really need so much concentration to drive fast.

Agree though that in UK even if there were no speed limit, it would be impossible due to horrendous amount of traffic at night, and much lower standard of motorways.

YbFocus

I've hit a few sections of motorway around Stoke on trent and the surface was that bad in places it would give you a fright as you hit it.
Was fit to throw the car for a second.

Never drove the autobahn but would love to, i could legally try for 250kph then

apoeiguq3094y

Anjobe wrote: »

The vast majority of the UK motorway network is 3-lane, with 4-lanes generally just on particularly congested sections around the major cities.
Doing 100 mph on the motorway in the UK is, and would always have been, considered highly excessive and is likely to lead to instant disqualification if caught. The received wisdom there is that the police enforce a motorway limit of 80 mph.
Having said that there always seems to be lots of speeders on the routes to Holyhead and Fishguard/Pembroke, must be people worried about missing their ferry.

Plenty of people get thrown in front of a judge for 100mph. 80mph is generally accepted on motorways.

The dual (or3)-carriageway A roads are a different story though. The official speedlimit is the same for cars, but you will frequently get stung for speeding on A roads. Not including roadworks, there are loads of speed cameras and average speed zones on the A roads. They actually enforce the 70mph limit on A roads

Indricotherium wrote: »

You have obviously never driven for any distance on a UK motorway.
A lot of them are dreadful. Unlit, lane markings worn off the tarmac, Queues miles and miles long, slow moving traffic, POT HOLES!!
Add to this that they are chronically over capacity and you have a dreadful mix.
Ireland's Motorways are superior to the majority of the UK's in my experience.
for the most part, Motorways in Ireland are less than 10-15 years old, well lit and sparsely used. You literally could not drive on a UK motorway above the speed limit for any lenght of time, because You'd be into the back of a queue of traffic within 5 minutes.

Yeah the surface is pretty poor on a lot of it, particularly at junctions and interchanges. There's a few potholes around the M11 stansted interchange that leave you wondering if some of the car might have fallen off.

Most Irish motorways are empty in comparison to the UK. You don't get the benefit of it though. Road users in Ireland haven't adapted to moving into the left-most available lane. They seem to take the approach "there might be a lorry in the left lane in a few miles, so I'll stay over here".

You could play skittles on the left lane of the N7 some days.

Bogger77

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

You could play skittles on the left lane of the N7 some days.

N7 (Naas to Dublin) is not motorway, to be pendantic.


But yes, some of the M roads in the UK are shocking, have traveled from Oxford to Stonehenge via Bristol last May, while on the single lane A roads, the surface was generally good, some of the dual carriageways had sections that worse than you'd find in Ireland.

apoeiguq3094y

Bogger77 wrote: »

N7 (Naas to Dublin) is not motorway, to be pendantic.

Touché

Bogger77 wrote: »

But yes, some of the M roads in the UK are shocking, have traveled from Oxford to Stonehenge via Bristol last May, while on the single lane A roads, the surface was generally good, some of the dual carriageways had sections that worse than you'd find in Ireland.

I hate the single land A roads here. There is never any hard shoulder and the lanes are often quite narrow. Nothing like the "newer" single lane N roads in Ireland. I find overtaking to be fairly rare in UK.

I often use the A50 (From M1 to M6) to avoid Birmingham when going to Holyhead (from east anglia) and the road noise on it is shocking. I think its concrete sections. The Chester-Holyhead section is actually fairly ok.

One thing I have noticed here is that people drive much closer together on the motorway. Behaviour I accept as normal in the UK would have me cursing at people in Ireland.

The huge amount of road freight in the UK makes the anything other than 3+ lanes a headache as you have one lorry doing 53.5 mph and another doing 54.0 mph :mad::mad::mad::mad:. Most of Ireland doesn't have that much road freight (relatively).

porsche959

Indricotherium wrote: »

You have obviously never driven for any distance on a UK motorway.

A lot of them are dreadful. Unlit, lane markings worn off the tarmac, Queues miles and miles long, slow moving traffic, POT HOLES!!

Add to this that they are chronically over capacity and you have a dreadful mix.

Ireland's Motorways are superior to the majority of the UK's in my experience.

for the most part, Motorways in Ireland are less than 10-15 years old, well lit and sparsely used. You literally could not drive on a UK motorway above the speed limit for any lenght of time, because You'd be into the back of a queue of traffic within 5 minutes.

I clarified in a subsquent post that my experiences of driving on UK motorways are from the late 90s. Back then you could certainly drive for long stretches at 90/95mph in the inside lane of the M5 or M6 without being troubled by speed cameras or even slow moving traffic. Obviously, it seems that things have changed since then. It seems that Britain is an overcrowded island!

who the fug

Del2005 wrote: »

In the UK they use a lot more average speed cameras and they do you for going a lot less than 90

Not on the M1 Northbound, 80 in the middle lane is the norm, do not get into outside lane unless you can do the ton plus

Have got to a pub near York from the bottom of the M1 in two hours , sat in the car for five minutes to recover . father lamped me and came out with a pint.

Chris_Heilong

CiniO wrote: »

I don't think so.
On many occasions f.e. on M4 between Dublin and Galway when I'm doing 140km/h I'm overtaking 99% of vehicles while I'm being overtaken by 1%.
That rather makes me think that most people drive well below those speeds.

When doing 120km/h I still think I overtake at least 90% of other vehicles, and I'm overtaken only by about 10%.

I would agree with this, many times I am going 125km/h and am over taking almost everything, people seem to like to drive below the limit.

CorMc

I was expecting this thread to be about... Well... Diffing?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIHBuGQQJYA