Give me an example of a victimless crime ?

Shiraz 4.99

A friend :rolleyes: refuses to install iTunes on their laptop due to a hatred of all things Apple, fair enough.
The same friend does however want a copy of the free U2 album that's currently free to Apple subscribers.
This person has gone to torrents to illegally download a copy of the same.
Their validation is that it's a "victimless crime", do you agree with their assessment or are Apple the victims here as you have not added yourself a subscriber.

Can anyone give me a perfect example of a victimless crime ?
Perhaps breaking a red light at 4 in the morning or stealing a loaf of out of date bread from a bin in Tescos.

Timberrrrrrrr

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

A friend :rolleyes: refuses to install iTunes on their laptop due to a hatred of all things Apple, fair enough.
The same friend does however want a copy of the free U2 album that's currently free to Apple subscribers.
This person has gone to torrents to illegally download a copy of the same.
Their validation is that it's a "victimless crime", do you agree with their assessment or are Apple the victims here as you have not added yourself a subscriber.

Can anyone give me a perfect example of a victimless crime ?
Perhaps breaking a red light at 4 in the morning or stealing a loaf of out of date bread from a bin in Tescos.

Consentual sex between two males, or two 15 year old teenagers.

ancapailldorcha

Pirating music. The profits go to large corporations who have no right to exist in today's market. If you want to support a band see them live instead of supporting a middle man.

catallus

Punching someone in the dark?

VinLieger

Buying the DVD of a movie or TV show and then downloading a torrent for the same movie or tv show.

Technically a crime but I have already paid for it so who is the victim?

bodice ripper

graffiti on billboards.

wazky

Rubbing your lad up against the window of the local nursing home, the oul wans love it really, keeps them going.

MrStuffins

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Pirating music. The profits go to large corporations who have no right to exist in today's market. If you want to support a band see them live instead of supporting a middle man.

Yup, buy your ticket from Ticketmaster to a show put on by MCD, Aiken Promotions or some other bloated promoter. You know, cut out the middle man!

Shiraz 4.99

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Consentual sex between two males

No crime there

cruais

Sticking an extra 20 cent or so into a parking meter if I noticed a ticket a few minutes out. ..

irish_goat

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

Stealing a loaf of out of date bread from a bin in Tescos.

Tesco could argue that they are the victims there as you're not going to buy bread from them if you can steal it from their bin.

Conspiracy to murder is a crime, yet technically has no victim (if the intended target never finds out). Doesn't make it less of a crime though.

Timberrrrrrrr

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

No crime there

You didn't specify this country.

biko

Jaywalking

c_man

Detonating a nuke in deep space.

AnonoBoy

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Pirating music. The profits go to large corporations who have no right to exist in today's market. If you want to support a band see them live instead of supporting a middle man.

What about music from bands on small indie labels?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

The crime you get away with. E.g. voyeurism - if the victim never finds out, are they still a victim?

bmc58

c_man wrote: »

Detonating a nuke in deep space.

Don't agree.what if the explosion changed the course of an asteroid and it crashed into Earth killing millions?It could happen.:eek:

westcoast66

Indecent exposure to a blind person?

ancapailldorcha

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What about music from bands on small indie labels?

I'd make an exception for them but the likes of Sony, EMI, etc.. need to die and die soon.

Banjo String

Not keeping off the grass.

endacl

Golf.

Rory28

smoking weed? maybe.

endacl

Rory28 wrote: »

smoking weed? maybe.

Only if you grow your own. Probably.

Maximus Alexander

c_man wrote: »

Detonating a nuke in deep space.

That's not necessarily a crime.

irish_goat

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

That's not necessarily a crime.

Depend where you're from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

Maximus Alexander

OSI wrote: »

Plenty of treaties in place banning the testing of nuclear weapons.

irish_goat wrote: »

Depend where you're from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

These treaties deal with the placement of nuclear weapons in space. It would be pretty difficult to classify a nuclear explosive launched to divert the course of a comet as a weapon, for example, since its express purpose would be the exact opposite of a weapon.

alchemist33

bmc58 wrote: »

Don't agree.what if the explosion changed the course of an asteroid and it crashed into Earth killing millions?It could happen.:eek:

Or the nuclear explosion releases three dangerous alien criminals from a two-dimensional glass prison, and they go on to conduct a worldwide reign of terror.

ScumLord

Going to the toilet in a dead policeman's helmet.

jay-me

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

A friend :rolleyes: refuses to install iTunes on their laptop due to a hatred of all things Apple, fair enough.
The same friend does however want a copy of the free U2 album that's currently free to Apple subscribers.
This person has gone to torrents to illegally download a copy of the same.
Their validation is that it's a "victimless crime", do you agree with their assessment or are Apple the victims here as you have not added yourself a subscriber.

Can anyone give me a perfect example of a victimless crime ?
Perhaps breaking a red light at 4 in the morning or stealing a loaf of out of date bread from a bin in Tescos.

Surely listening to U2 would make you the victim?

whupdedo

Necrophilia

Akrasia

[derail thread] Early term Abortion
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Shiraz 4.99

Akrasia wrote: »

[derail thread] Early term Abortion
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Sure it's only a bag of frogspawn at that stage anyway

SeanW

Speeding (usually)

hiFidelity

destroying a water meter

Kimbot

Urinating in public....

eviltimeban

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd make an exception for them but the likes of Sony, EMI, etc.. need to die and die soon.

Most of the "indie" labels are owned by the majors, and there's only three: Sony, Universal, and Warners.

Without the funding and distribution network of those labels, the indie ones wouldn't exist. There's a few truely indie labels around, but not many.

Lapin

Swearing on Sundays was a crime up to this week.

No victims in that.

catallus

Lapin wrote: »

Swearing on Sundays was a crime up to this week.

No victims in that.

Perhaps none, other than our perspicacity and nobleness?

endacl

catallus wrote: »

Perhaps none, other than our perspicacity and nobleness?

Nobility?

:pac:

catallus

No, that's the opposite of ability?!

Do keep up!

P_1

Growing and smoking your own weed/tobacco.

Maybe incest using contraception if we want to go all controversial?

MarkR

Cutting the tag off a mattress.

Gillo

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What about music from bands on small indie labels?

That was a crime before they were main stream

nelly17

Growing your own weed for personal consumption

Maximus Alexander

OSI wrote: »

That's like saying you're allowed to carry a 12" blade around in public as long it's only used to butter toast, so not a weapon.

It's not really, that analogy doesn't work at all. Comet and asteroid impacts are a legitimate risk to life on Earth and, as I have no doubt you are aware, have caused multiple mass extinction events in the past.

A nuclear explosion in close proximity to divert the course of such a body is one of the very few solutions that would be technologically feasible on a reasonable timescale at the moment.

A better analogy would be that it's like using a blade to cut out a tumor, so it's not a weapon.

Senna

Smoking in an outside car park of a hospital.

Skylinehead

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Comet and asteroid impacts are a legitimate risk to life on Earth

As is unbuttered toast

endacl

Not using a bell on your bike.

The One Doctor

Non-violent bank robbery.

Ghost Buster

Blasphemy

uch

wazky wrote: »

Rubbing your lad up against the window of the local nursing home, the oul wans love it really, keeps them going.

You sir are a Bollix, I'm after spitting all over my monitor and there's loogies on my keyboard after reading that, and I nearly pissed me pants laughing