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What was new or interesting at the Ploughing

  • 24-09-2014 12:13pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭


    Going to go down to the ploughing tomorrow. What did people that went find interesting or worth their while going to see at the ploughing.

    Have a few stands in mind to call into but always intersted to hear peoples opinions in case i forgot something.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Justjens


    Thought the access from the M7 was well organised and flowed very well, only got held up a couple of hundred yards from the car park.

    Far too many stands to be able to see them all, but then there was a lot I wouldn't want to see.

    Had my list of visits I wanted to make done in a few hours and then just wandered around looking at anything interesting.

    Noticed a few absences since I last went, 2003, there was no sign of a John Deere stand but then again there was a Johnny's Cupcakes stand, everyone to their own I suppose.

    Didn't have much interest in the supermarket stalls, four that I counted, and there was a huge Aldi stand, maybe it's just me but I would have liked to see an ABP stand....I do more business with Larry than Lidl.

    Numerous characters selling those jiggle siphon hoses, up to an inch diameter for 'quick flow', and you then got an offer on two (for balance) 20L drums with an ergonomically designed handle for easy carrying, while gently jogging:D:D

    Now is it just me or are we all still such fecking eejits that we are still running out of fuel again like we did when we had to keep our jeeps, cars and tractors running on binder twine and a prayer? How did we survive in the intervening period before the advent of that jigglie whatsit?

    With all that said it's worth a trip every few years, I'll give it a rest for another decade to see where it goes, if you can handle the crowds and the embarrassment on the faces of the ones dressed as if they're going to a 1D concert and suddenly realise where they've got off the bus:eek::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭Zr105


    Justjens wrote: »
    Thought the access from the M7 was well organised and flowed very well, only got held up a couple of hundred yards from the car park.

    Far too many stands to be able to see them all, but then there was a lot I wouldn't want to see.

    Had my list of visits I wanted to make done in a few hours and then just wandered around looking at anything interesting.

    Noticed a few absences since I last went, 2003, there was no sign of a John Deere stand but then again there was a Johnny's Cupcakes stand, everyone to their own I suppose.

    Didn't have much interest in the supermarket stalls, four that I counted, and there was a huge Aldi stand, maybe it's just me but I would have liked to see an ABP stand....I do more business with Larry than Lidl.

    Numerous characters selling those jiggle siphon hoses, up to an inch diameter for 'quick flow', and you then got an offer on two (for balance) 20L drums with an ergonomically designed handle for easy carrying, while gently jogging:D:D

    Now is it just me or are we all still such fecking eejits that we are still running out of fuel again like we did when we had to keep our jeeps, cars and tractors running on binder twine and a prayer? How did we survive in the intervening period before the advent of that jigglie whatsit?

    With all that said it's worth a trip every few years, I'll give it a rest for another decade to see where it goes, if you can handle the crowds and the embarrassment on the faces of the ones dressed as if they're going to a 1D concert and suddenly realise where they've got off the bus:eek::rolleyes:

    Abp stand was in either the Hereford or angus shed, can't remember which of them it was but was buried in their out of sight....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Lely robotic milking was very impressive. There was a Dairymaster one as well but no where near as refined as the Lely.

    The Dairymaster was demonstrated on a fake udder and was much slower and more clumsy than the Lely which was demonstrated with real cows.

    Also seen a stand for a company called Hydrocell (I think). They produce a product which they claim can make petrol or diesel cars 30 percent more efficient by burning a small amount of hydrogen with the fuel. They also claim it reduces carbon emissions by 80 percent. No idea how well their claims stand up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    emaherx wrote: »
    Also seen a stand for a company called Hydrocell (I think). They produce a product which they claim can make petrol or diesel cars 30 percent more efficient by burning a small amount of hydrogen with the fuel. They also claim it reduces carbon emissions by 80 percent. No idea how well their claims stand up.

    With the likes of that if it really as good as they say it won't be long taking off. If they're still there in 5 years time plugging the same line well then you'd wonder....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭onyerbikepat


    Any Del Boys selling vegtable peelers?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭waalaa


    I'm probably wrong to comment on this as I didn't or am not going this year but as the ploughing match is getting bigger it is getting progressively worse. I swore last year would be my last time going, scumbags trying to fleece people with 3 card monte tricks, Del boys selling shammy cloths that strip paint and remove wallpaper, drill bits designed by nasa and made with elvish mithril which normally retail for a €1000 each but because of the day that's in it can be had for €5. There was also far far too much One Direction paraphernalia for my liking and the catered food was ridiculously overpriced muck. I had to go looking for a stand that gave free food samples to try get rid of the taste of it.

    The organisers clearly have no interest in what is being displayed, just if they can sell the space. I'm fairly certain if ISIS knew about the ploughing match they would have a stand where they could sign up some Jihadis and slaughter a few Kurds for the craic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    waalaa wrote: »
    I'm probably wrong to comment on this as I didn't or am not going this year but as the ploughing match is getting bigger it is getting progressively worse. I swore last year would be my last time going, scumbags trying to fleece people with 3 card monte tricks, Del boys selling shammy cloths that strip paint and remove wallpaper, drill bits designed by nasa and made with elvish mithril which normally retail for a €1000 each but because of the day that's in it can be had for €5. There was also far far too much One Direction paraphernalia for my liking and the catered food was ridiculously overpriced muck. I had to go looking for a stand that gave free food samples to try get rid of the taste of it.

    The organisers clearly have no interest in what is being displayed, just if they can sell the space. I'm fairly certain if ISIS knew about the ploughing match they would have a stand where they could sign up some Jihadis and slaughter a few Kurds for the craic.

    Lol. Class.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭AP2014


    waalaa wrote: »
    I'm probably wrong to comment on this as I didn't or am not going this year but as the ploughing match is getting bigger it is getting progressively worse. I swore last year would be my last time going, scumbags trying to fleece people with 3 card monte tricks, Del boys selling shammy cloths that strip paint and remove wallpaper, drill bits designed by nasa and made with elvish mithril which normally retail for a €1000 each but because of the day that's in it can be had for €5. There was also far far too much One Direction paraphernalia for my liking and the catered food was ridiculously overpriced muck. I had to go looking for a stand that gave free food samples to try get rid of the taste of it.

    The organisers clearly have no interest in what is being displayed, just if they can sell the space. I'm fairly certain if ISIS knew about the ploughing match they would have a stand where they could sign up some Jihadis and slaughter a few Kurds for the craic.

    Spot on, it seems like abit of a circus. George Lee did a very good enthusiastic report on it Tuesday but he had two interviews in the report. One with an auld buck who could hardly talk and then another with a young farmer who was grossly over weight and I have seen 3 year olds articulate their point better.

    Almost seemed like RTE set George up. It was cringe stuff, surely they could have picked better farmers. Sickening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Carazy


    The innovation tent wasn`t that innovative. The few finalists included 3 identical products with different marketing using 1990s GSM technology while making it look ``fresh` and a wheelie bin...........yes a wheelie bin that boasted being able ``hold 2 bags of coal`` and cost €200!!!
    I left disapointed :-(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,718 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    waalaa wrote: »
    I'm probably wrong to comment on this as I didn't or am not going this year but as the ploughing match is getting bigger it is getting progressively worse. I swore last year would be my last time going, scumbags trying to fleece people with 3 card monte tricks, Del boys selling shammy cloths that strip paint and remove wallpaper, drill bits designed by nasa and made with elvish mithril which normally retail for a €1000 each but because of the day that's in it can be had for €5. There was also far far too much One Direction paraphernalia for my liking and the catered food was ridiculously overpriced muck. I had to go looking for a stand that gave free food samples to try get rid of the taste of it.

    The organisers clearly have no interest in what is being displayed, just if they can sell the space. I'm fairly certain if ISIS knew about the ploughing match they would have a stand where they could sign up some Jihadis and slaughter a few Kurds for the craic.

    I would have made that same critisize after last year.
    But, I really thought there was less tat and rubbish stalls and those that were seemed corralled away Together.

    Seemed less hedge jumping than other years which helped keep the knackers out.

    I don't mind seeing non farming stalls as long as there are decent farming stalls and I thought this year they improved the balance.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    waalaa wrote: »
    I'm probably wrong to comment on this as I didn't or am not going this year but as the ploughing match is getting bigger it is getting progressively worse. I swore last year would be my last time going, scumbags trying to fleece people with 3 card monte tricks, Del boys selling shammy cloths that strip paint and remove wallpaper, drill bits designed by nasa and made with elvish mithril which normally retail for a €1000 each but because of the day that's in it can be had for €5. There was also far far too much One Direction paraphernalia for my liking and the catered food was ridiculously overpriced muck. I had to go looking for a stand that gave free food samples to try get rid of the taste of it.

    The organisers clearly have no interest in what is being displayed, just if they can sell the space. I'm fairly certain if ISIS knew about the ploughing match they would have a stand where they could sign up some Jihadis and slaughter a few Kurds for the craic.

    Was there today, Sums it to a tee:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭jmrc


    emaherx, been running that Hydrocel in a suzuki grand Vitara for about 4 or 5 years, really helps the performance and improves the overall drive of the machine. it would be dead as a duck with out it.

    does it improve the fuel consumption....hard to guage ,cos is so much better drive with it you are inclined to drive it on a bit.
    Neighbour has it on a 3L Toyota LandCrusier and he thinks its the business...
    it's not snake oil anyway IMO...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    New barriers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭6480


    Reggie. wrote: »
    New barriers

    i use to love going to the ploughing years ago always about ten new things that were always there to be seen , it will be a while before i am going again ,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    There was a nice idea run off yard scrapers for pumping slurry from one tank to another based on a diaphragm pump .handy for collecting yards or the like


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Cow Porter


    emaherx wrote: »
    Lely robotic milking was very impressive. There was a Dairymaster one as well but no where near as refined as the Lely.

    The Dairymaster was demonstrated on a fake udder and was much slower and more clumsy than the Lely which was demonstrated with real cows.

    Also seen a stand for a company called Hydrocell (I think). They produce a product which they claim can make petrol or diesel cars 30 percent more efficient by burning a small amount of hydrogen with the fuel. They also claim it reduces carbon emissions by 80 percent. No idea how well their claims stand up.

    Anyone get a picture of the dairymaster robot? First I've heard of it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    I'd say It was Delaval not dairy master, they have one called the vms I think there its one installed down kerry direction


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Connemara Farmer


    Whatever ye do don't look up hydrocel on boards.

    Don't do it.

    I told ye not to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Whatever ye do don't look up hydrocel on boards.

    Don't do it.

    I told ye not to.

    Now what do you think is gonna happen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Whatever ye do don't look up hydrocel on boards.

    Don't do it.

    I told ye not to.

    Ooooh nasty :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Connemara Farmer


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Ooooh nasty :D

    I warned ya :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭Zr105


    Reggie. wrote: »
    New barriers

    Yeah their the ones I thought you meant alright, I'd be nervous if their strong enough across the top... All the strength is reliant on welds burnt into 3mm wall...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Zr105 wrote: »
    Yeah their the ones I thought you meant alright, I'd be nervous if their strong enough across the top... All the strength is reliant on welds burnt into 3mm wall...

    I hear ya barking. A big bullock that thinking it's a show jumper could cause some bending there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Cow Porter wrote: »
    Anyone get a picture of the dairymaster robot? First I've heard of it
    Might be mistaken, wouldn't be the first time.
    Milked out wrote: »
    I'd say It was Delaval not dairy master, they have one called the vms I think there its one installed down kerry direction
    Possibly, thought it was Dairymaster..... however what ever brand it was it looked like it was assaulting that imaginary cow, pretty sure with real cows it would be worse.
    Whatever ye do don't look up hydrocel on boards.

    Don't do it.

    I told ye not to.
    You can't just do that! Why would you even! Why! Why!
    Reggie. wrote: »
    Now what do you think is gonna happen
    Too late!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    I warned ya :D

    Jaysus one lads ball was 6 " x 2" !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    emaherx wrote: »
    Might be mistaken, wouldn't be the first time.


    Possibly, thought it was Dairymaster..... however what ever brand it was it looked like it was assaulting that imaginary cow, pretty sure with real cows it would be worse.


    You can't just do that! Why would you even! Why! Why!


    Too late!

    Yeah it was dairymaster as I seen it too. It was buried on the corner and easy to miss it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 ✭✭✭emaherx


    jmrc wrote: »
    emaherx, been running that Hydrocel in a suzuki grand Vitara for about 4 or 5 years, really helps the performance and improves the overall drive of the machine. it would be dead as a duck with out it.

    does it improve the fuel consumption....hard to guage ,cos is so much better drive with it you are inclined to drive it on a bit.
    Neighbour has it on a 3L Toyota LandCrusier and he thinks its the business...
    it's not snake oil anyway IMO...

    Nice to hear a first hand opinion of it. He'll even if it only lowers emissions there is a market for it. How often do you refill it? Was told 70k miles at the stall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭hurler32


    Joe Cannings hurleys was nearly the busiest stall there , nearly an hour in the tent which was mobbed before we got served despite this a number of other hurley makers were quite enough..shows the power of the name.
    Like others wouldn't be in a rush back, lots of teenagers drinking smuggled in beer, lots of travellers shoplifting, definetly changing in terms of type of crowd going these days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Anyone get a price on the delaval robot? I'll admit that the cluster removal technique is far from perfect, but I did like the overall principal definitely, it's a far far simpler design than the lely. I would expect it to be a reasonable amount cheaper to make than the lely so hopefully that is reflected in the price.

    Also GEA had an interesting robot on display also. Only reason for an indoor system, however the arm was totally independent of the clusters (well that's the same as the delaval), however GEA have already made a robot with up to 5 individual boxes, sharing the same robot arm. In terms of price however I'll admit the GEA was well off the mark, about 130k stg for a single robot, that's about 160k euros.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    hurler32 wrote: »
    Like others wouldn't be in a rush back, lots of teenagers drinking smuggled in beer, lots of travellers shoplifting, definetly changing in terms of type of crowd going these days

    Agreed, I had a specific enough list of things I wanted to see (mostly parlours), but I found it hard to have a proper chat with alot of the salesmen, they were knackered after 3days in fairness to them, but it's just not a great place in any case to do business with anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Yeah it was dairymaster as I seen it too. It was buried on the corner and easy to miss it

    Speaking of dairy master did anyone you the cupping the cows race? Managed a 27 and I reckon if I wasn't as nervous could have knocked it down a good bit. Was happy enough as most were getting 40's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    C0N0R wrote: »
    Speaking of dairy master did anyone you the cupping the cows race? Managed a 27 and I reckon if I wasn't as nervous could have knocked it down a good bit. Was happy enough as most were getting 40's

    It would have taken me at least 5mins :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭trixi2011


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Anyone get a price on the delaval robot? I'll admit that the cluster removal technique is far from perfect, but I did like the overall principal definitely, it's a far far simpler design than the lely. I would expect it to be a reasonable amount cheaper to make than the lely so hopefully that is reflected in the price.

    Also GEA had an interesting robot on display also. Only reason for an indoor system, however the arm was totally independent of the clusters (well that's the same as the delaval), however GEA have already made a robot with up to 5 individual boxes, sharing the same robot arm. In terms of price however I'll admit the GEA was well off the mark, about 130k stg for a single robot, that's about 160k euros.
    Think they are around 60k but that could be a sterling figure as I was chatting the northern rep that's robot only add the grazing system adds quite a bit on. the service charges are the huge bonus with the delval, tiny figure compared to the Lely. Delaval have tried the multiple box design too and it not a runner from what I herd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭TUBBY


    Whatever ye do don't look up hydrocel on boards.

    Don't do it.

    I told ye not to.

    turned out to be a load of balls Con.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    anybody see the moocall system? Could be the job if working off farm


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭TITANIUM.


    anybody see the moocall system? Could be the job if working off farm

    Went round to that stand twice but twas mobbed so I left it off.
    There was another yoke that you put in the cows ear and twill tell you if she's sick going to dairy or calving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    emaherx wrote: »
    Nice to hear a first hand opinion of it. He'll even if it only lowers emissions there is a market for it. How often do you refill it? Was told 70 miles at the stall.
    70K miles, HHO doesn't work plenty information about it on the internet. They had two jars on display one with burnt oil and the other with fresh oil they were supposed to be from cars with the same mileage since last serviced but the fresh oil came from the car fitted with their contraption. Somehow I don't think I'd risk spending €500 to see if it works, you'd imagine that if it does work lots of people should be using it by now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,650 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    As someone working in the tillage area, there is practically 0 technical displays at the ploughing. I guess it has long since been a Lifestyle/Country event. Having spent the day there, there's precious little to take from it rather than meeting a few people. If I missed it, it would make little difference :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭jmrc


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by emaherx View Post
    Nice to hear a first hand opinion of it. He'll even if it only lowers emissions there is a market for it. How often do you refill it? Was told 70 miles at the stall.
    70K miles, HHO doesn't work plenty information about it on the internet. They had two jars on display one with burnt oil and the other with fresh oil they were supposed to be from cars with the same mileage since last serviced but the fresh oil came from the car fitted with their contraption. Somehow I don't think I'd risk spending €500 to see if it works, you'd imagine that if it does work lots of people should be using it by now.

    €500.... no wonder... it cost us €250 I think... I know the local lads that were installing it for yer man gave up on it cos he was looking to increase the cost... but doubling it...

    great for the emissions alright.... but not for 500..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    jmrc wrote: »
    €500.... no wonder... it cost us €250 I think... I know the local lads that were installing it for yer man gave up on it cos he was looking to increase the cost... but doubling it...

    great for the emissions alright.... but not for 500..
    Did you install it in your car? Tell us more, does it improve mpg, keep the oil crystal clear for many miles etc.? The man talking about it mentioned €280 when I asked another man on the stand about it he said €390+ vat. It's a bottle of water an electrical box and a pipe to the air filter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭stop thelights


    TITANIUM. wrote: »
    Went round to that stand twice but twas mobbed so I left it off.
    There was another yoke that you put in the cows ear and twill tell you if she's sick going to dairy or calving.

    Any link to websites or such to find more info on this. Never heard of it before!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Did you install it in your car? Tell us more, does it improve mpg, keep the oil crystal clear for many miles etc.? The man talking about it mentioned €280 when I asked another man on the stand about it he said €390+ vat. It's a bottle of water an electrical box and a pipe to the air filter.

    That HHO is total snake oil, a very quick Google will give you all the proof needed to totally dismiss it, anyone who actually thinks it works is either horribly uneducated on the whole area or totally deluded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Timmaay wrote: »
    That HHO is total snake oil, a very quick Google will give you all the proof needed to totally dismiss it, anyone who actually thinks it works is either horribly uneducated on the whole area or totally deluded.
    I already said that ;) no harm in asking someone that said they have it fitted to their car if they see any benefit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭PureBred


    TITANIUM. wrote: »
    Went round to that stand twice but twas mobbed so I left it off.
    There was another yoke that you put in the cows ear and twill tell you if she's sick going to dairy or calving.

    Found that facinating alright. Anyone find out actually how reliable it is. Steep at €160 per year maintainance. All it does from year to year is send a few texts like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    Two lads from Monaghan had an interesting device for lining up lower arms to an implement called safehitch I think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,718 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Two lads from Monaghan had an interesting device for lining up lower arms to an implement called safehitch I think
    But it needs to be removed and refitted repeatedly, cant be kept on when working something like bale spike or power box as it would "pop off" the arms, this from the lad on the stand. I like the idea but I think what they have is a prototype..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    I think it can be kept on with lynchpins except when using PTO ,one of the better ideas at the show


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,718 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I think it can be kept on with lynchpins except when using PTO ,one of the better ideas at the show

    The chap on the stand said it should be removed as the clamps on the arms on each side will pop up and it will fall off when being worked.. I definitely think they're onto something but it needs to be capable of being permanently fitted..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    I bought one expecting delivery tmrw so will keep posted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,217 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I Wasn't at the ploughing but Stanley are running a ploughing offer until today I think great offers on stoves


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