property tax

chrysagon

Meath co councillors have decided that property owners in Meath should bear the brunt of a full property tax, whilst the streets of the main towns get more filthy, and the roads more like cheddar cheese, we should remember them next time election comes round!:mad:

Vego

Yup as cutting the tax will improve the situation

greendom

chrysagon wrote: »

Meath co councillors have decided that property owners in Meath should bear the brunt of a full property tax, whilst the streets of the main towns get more filthy, and the roads more like cheddar cheese, we should remember them next time election comes round!:mad:

If the streets get cleaner and we see noticeably improved roads, then I think that's fair enough (probably a big if though!)

BRYAN Is Ainm Dom

chrysagon wrote: »

Meath co councillors have decided that property owners in Meath should bear the brunt of a full property tax, whilst the streets of the main towns get more filthy, and the roads more like cheddar cheese, we should remember them next time election comes round!:mad:

Can somebody tell me if all Independents voted to keep the charge, as that was what I heard on the radio earlier but cannot find anything online.

chrysagon

Fg wanted to keep the rate, Ff and Sinn Fein wanted a cut

Vego

Ff wanted a 2% cut

Sf wanted the 15%

bladespin

Get them out, I haven't seen any improvement since they were elected, if anything things deteriorated.

chrysagon

And add all this to the water charge, and its going to cost an extra 10+ Euro a week more...and little to show for it.

PauloMN

bladespin wrote: »

Get them out, I haven't seen any improvement since they were elected, if anything things deteriorated.

And put who in? That's the bit I'm stumped on.

Postit

bladespin wrote: »

Get them out, I haven't seen any improvement since they were elected, if anything things deteriorated.

Look a bit further than the end of your nose then

2010: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/business/2010/11/101122_jimpower2.shtml

2014: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29252950

bladespin

Postit wrote: »

Look a bit further than the end of your nose then

2010: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/business/2010/11/101122_jimpower2.shtml

2014: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29252950

I really cannot see how the council has anything at all to do with the financial recovery :eek: I'm looking way beyond my nose but still can't see it, maybe you should open your own eyes, Meath's in a shocking state and nothing has been done to improve it.

bladespin

PauloMN wrote: »

And put who in? That's the bit I'm stumped on.

I wonder at times, I really do.

chrysagon

thats the general problem, options very poor!

padjo5

Would a 5/15% reduction in rate have really made any of us much better off??

bladespin

It would made a difference to many IMO and would make us all feel a little better, we've been hauled over the coals enough.

Vego

But then what little services there are will be gone

PauloMN

bladespin wrote: »

It would made a difference to many IMO and would make us all feel a little better, we've been hauled over the coals enough.

I disagree. It's vote seeking and nothing else. I prefer people that take the unpopular decisions. Councils need more, not less money. Whether it's being spent wisely is another issue, but you can't complain about poor services while at the same time wanting a reduction in property tax.

It's like the much talked about tax reliefs in the budget. It is completely insane to talk about reducing income tax when they are taking medical cards off people who need them, when hospitals are in a shambles, when teachers are being let go etc.. Again it's vote seeking ahead of the next election. And any talk of abolishing water and property tax is fantasy land stuff.

bladespin

I would like a reduction of course, services are rubbish because of who and how revenue is spent, not because they need more.

Vego

bladespin wrote: »

I would like a reduction of course, services are rubbish because of who and how revenue is spent, not because they need more.

Could u post up the accounts on this as I wouldn't mind seeing them

bladespin

Sorry, I'm not their accountant, go to meath.ie and you may find what you're after.

padjo5

I think you nailed it PauloMN, but of a publicity stunt, 'look at me I'm doing my bit for the hard pressed' I was speaking to a councillor last week before vote and that was his opinion too!!

Postit

bladespin wrote: »

Sorry, I'm not their accountant, go to meath.ie and you may find what you're after.

Well if you have no access to the accounts and no evidence to support your claims, why do you keep posting mindless barstool babble laden with inflammatory language without any evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Thinking for yourself every now and then won't hurt you know. :rolleyes:

chrysagon

I d rather see some kind of reduction, than to see it spiral upwards, many families are hard pressed enough, than to be paying on average 266 euro for what?...fund junkets?

bladespin

Postit wrote: »

Well if you have no access to the accounts and no evidence to support your claims, why do you keep posting mindless barstool babble laden with inflammatory language without any evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Thinking for yourself every now and then won't hurt you know. :rolleyes:

The accounts are published annually, they're for anyone who wants them, not for me to supply.

Accounts mean nothing, achievements count, there's no barstool babble as you so sourly put it, take a look around the county, around the villages and towns and you'll see the same old sh1te, we've sat through successive councils with great plans and no results, time for the likes of you to take a back seat and for the rest of us to demand results, if they can't produce then they should reduce.

If you think they're doing such sterling work then please list the results achieved, resources saved and jobs created, from what I'm seeing litter has grown exponentially as have traffic lights, roads are just as dire as ever, signage is poor, jobs have disappeared (despite one candidate claiming to have personally created thousands???), planning is still a mess, ghost estates abound, services are poor as are their response times, the list is long.

Postit

bladespin wrote: »

The accounts are published annually, they're for anyone who wants them, not for me to supply.

Accounts mean nothing, achievements count, there's no barstool babble as you so sourly put it, take a look around the county, around the villages and towns and you'll see the same old sh1te, we've sat through successive councils with great plans and no results, time for the likes of you to take a back seat and for the rest of us to demand results, if they can't produce then they should reduce.

If you think they're doing such sterling work then please list the results achieved, resources saved and jobs created, from what I'm seeing litter has grown exponentially as have traffic lights, roads are just as dire as ever, signage is poor, jobs have disappeared (despite one candidate claiming to have personally created thousands???), planning is still a mess, ghost estates abound, services are poor as are their response times, the list is long.

Do you understand the concept of evidence? You have a view/opinion. Thats fair enough. However you are stating and presenting this view as if it is fact. If this is the case, then you should provide information to show that your view/opinion is true, valid and factual.

You said

bladespin wrote: »

services are rubbish because of who and how revenue is spent

Evidence please?

Also, I never gave an opinion on how I feel the council is being run. Somehow though, you decided (presumably because I am questioning your unsupported ascertains) my opinion is that the council are doing

bladespin wrote: »

sterling work

Do you see a pattern here?

Your type of nonsensical hyperbole is counterproductive. You want change, fair enough. Make a reasoned and measured argument then. Nobody will take inflammatory ill-conceived statements seriously.

bladespin

Postit wrote: »

You said Evidence please?

Take a look around, have you seen any improvement since the new council took over? I haven't, in fact judging by the state of some of the towns the standard is going down.

Postit wrote: »

Also, I never gave an opinion on how I feel the council is being run. Somehow though, you decided (presumably because I am questioning your unsupported ascertains) my opinion is that the council are doing Do you see a pattern here?

Fair enough, an assumption was made, I don't see a pattern though.

Postit wrote: »

Your type of nonsensical hyperbole is counterproductive.

Evidence please, I seen very little to back that up :P

Postit wrote: »

You want change, fair enough. Make a reasoned and measured argument then. Nobody will take inflammatory ill-conceived statements seriously.

Lol, what was inflammatory?
My argument was quite clear, as detailed above, all sorts of promises were made during the election and I haven't seen anything happen, as said already, if anything things are dropping back to the bad old days and of course many councilors are nowhere to be seen bar the very few active members who funnily enough argued for a reduction, funny that.

If those who argue for austerity are to be taken seriously at all then surely they must stand by their own beliefs and expect more for less, throwing money at the problem hasn't helped.

Postit

bladespin wrote: »

Take a look around, have you seen any improvement since the new council took over? I haven't, in fact judging by the state of some of the towns the standard is going down.



Fair enough, an assumption was made, I don't see a pattern though.



Evidence please, I seen very little to back that up :P



Lol, what was inflammatory?
My argument was quite clear, as detailed above, all sorts of promises were made during the election and I haven't seen anything happen, as said already, if anything things are dropping back to the bad old days and of course many councilors are nowhere to be seen bar the very few active members who funnily enough argued for a reduction, funny that.

If those who argue for austerity are to be taken seriously at all then surely they must stand by their own beliefs and expect more for less, throwing money at the problem hasn't helped.

Judging by how inaccurately you have quoted me and your obvious disregard for putting together a reasoned and evidence-based argument, I can only assume that it is beyond you to grasp a simple point clearly made. Not much to show for four billion years of evolution.

bladespin

Whatever, I didn't post to sling insults or argue with anyone just to put a point across, if you struggle with that you're not worth my time.

BTW for clarity, I quoted you exactly as you posted.

Good luck with your endeavors but the ignore button is calling.

chrysagon

Evolution seemly can go in reverse, just as certain politicians have proven!:mad:

bladespin

FG doing their bit to reform the cronyism of past governments, great to see how they've revolutionized Irish politics - good man Enda, it's just a coincidence is all, suppose it's not really fair criticizing the FG councilors considering their leader sets such a brilliant example.

chrysagon

I just thought maybe the local cllrs may have offered a little help to families in Meath, i work in a big organisation and some of my colleagues are struggling simply due to hefty mortgages, creche fees, etc etc, and they reckon the property and water charges are the straw that breaks their backs,a little afterthought from cllrs, would have been a nice touch, but as Kenny proved, he just talked a good game, and after 2016, water charges will no doubt spiral upwards fast!...and still nothing to show for it!

bladespin

Great to see they're spending it well though:

http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2014/10/07/4032982-new-council-hq-wont-accommodate-all-staff/

chrysagon

someone has to pay for the council luxuries.....oh thats us...the TAXPAYER:mad:

Vego

Same paper
http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2014/10/07/4032971-over-1000-less-people-claiming-social-welfare-in-the-past-year/

bladespin

Vego wrote: »

Same paper
http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2014/10/07/4032971-over-1000-less-people-claiming-social-welfare-in-the-past-year/

Don't see the connection tbh
Can you honestly tell me the council is responsible for the economy picking up? I know our political system is odd but seriously.
I don't see how the property tax helps this.

Also I wonder how many are working in the county as opposed to outside of it.

Vego

bladespin wrote: »

Don't see the connection tbh
Can you honestly tell me the council is responsible for the economy picking up? I know our political system is odd but seriously.
I don't see how the property tax helps this.

Also I wonder how many are working in the county as opposed to outside of it.

I didnt make any connection

bladespin

Vego wrote: »

I didnt make any connection

Ah cool, just wondering what it has to do with the thread then

PauloMN

chrysagon wrote: »

someone has to pay for the council luxuries.....oh thats us...the TAXPAYER:mad:

Are offices considered a luxury now?

I'm critical of the council on a lot of things, but when it gets to the level of knocking literally everything about them or what they do, then you have to question your views I reckon.

Vego

bladespin wrote: »

Ah cool, just wondering what it has to do with the thread then

Same as your post I guess ....? I don't see where your going with this

bladespin

Vego wrote: »

Same as your post I guess ....? I don't see where your going with this

Property taxes well spent by the council as per OP, as mentioned I don't see how the council's decision on not reducing the tax has led to the drop of jobless.

Vego

bladespin wrote: »

Property taxes well spent by the council as per OP, as mentioned I don't see how the council's decision on not reducing the tax has led to the drop of jobless.

Sorry the op was on about property tax you posted a link to the new council office no where did it say property tax has been spent on it nor did you provide any proof of it, your post is as off topic as mine ...now we have that out of the way can we get this post back ON topic ..thanks

Vego

Op interesting reading on the report on year on year staff reductions and budget reductions in meath

http://www.meath.ie/CountyCouncil/Publications/FinancePublications/MeathCountyCouncilAnnualBudgets/File,57484,en.pdf

also a bit on the lpt here that meath only got 50% of gathered Lpt to use the rest went to central government I think its going up to 80% still I would rather my 100% contribution went to the county

it reminds me of the road tax thing years ago when the tax you paid basically went to dublin

I do know where you are coming from as the list of taxes we pay are quite long

1: Car tax
2: Car insurance - govt levy
3: Property tax
4: Household charge
5: USC levy
6: PRSI
7: PAYE
8: Carbon tax
9: Pension levy
10: House insurance-govt levy
11: Utility bill- govt levy
12: NCT charge
13: Plastic bag levy
14. Credit card levy
15. VAT
16. Customs Tax on Alcohol
17. Customs Tax on Cigs
18. Broadcasting charge
19. Septic tank charge
20. Toll Charges
21. Bin Charges
22. Dog License
23. Gun License
24. 60% Tax on Petrol & Diesel
25. Inheritance Tax
26. Fishing License
27. Deposit Interest Retention Tax (DIRT)
28. Hospital Admittance Charge
29. Passport Charge
30. Fire Brigade call out charge
31. School Charges
32. Third level registration fees
33. Health Insurance Levy
34. VRT
35. Driving License
36. Voluntary??? School Contribution for Free Education
37. Stamp Duty
38. Prescription charges



I would be happy if the council reduced the lpt by 20% but if they need the money and they do reduce something has to suffer & you can be sure it wont be their massive wages :P

bladespin

Vego wrote: »

Sorry the op was on about property tax you posted a link to the new council office no where did it say property tax has been spent on it nor did you provide any proof of it, your post is as off topic as mine ...now we have that out of the way can we get this post back ON topic ..thanks

Think you'll find my post was right on topic, council refuse to reduce property tax after having spent €5million on a building that isn't suitable for purpose, makes me wonder if they should have anything to do with spending at all.
Happy to clear that up for you.

BTW I don't think the council have massive wages but I'm concerned about how they spend their budgets (which includes property tax).

Vego

bladespin wrote: »

Think you'll find my post was right on topic, council refuse to reduce property tax after having spent €5million on a building that isn't suitable for purpose, makes me wonder if they should have anything to do with spending at all.
Happy to clear that up for you.

BTW I don't think the council have massive wages but I'm concerned about how they spend their budgets (which includes property tax).

nope you still haven't linked that building to the lpt and you wont until you can provide any proof that the lpt has been spent on it ...all of what you have said is in your opinion which is ok .....

so to quote your earlier post "If you think they're doing such sterling work then please list the results achieved, resources saved and jobs created, from what I'm seeing litter has grown exponentially as have traffic lights, roads are just as dire as ever, signage is poor, jobs have disappeared (despite one candidate claiming to have personally created thousands???), planning is still a mess, ghost estates abound, services are poor as are their response times, the list is long."

Jobs created = my link to jobs that you have dismissed
Resources saved= centralising the council offices according to rte news " The move into the former Quinn Insurance building will allow the local authority centralise its offices, saving over €765,000 a year on rent and maintenance."
Road repairs = Meath.ie have daily road works and improvements
Singage= Have you asked the town engineer on certain things ? our community at the last neighbour hood watch meeting did for signage at a junction and it was done within a month
planning a mess= meath has been notoriously difficult to get planning permission for a house you can ask any architect in the town (that was the response when I went to build my house)
ghost estates they are the responsibility of the builder no ?
services are poor ?= we have electricity,gas,water(irish water),broadband,navan to this day still retains an a&e department, the state of the litter on a sunday are a workers union issue that has been documented again by the meath chronicle also its up to the residents of towns to maybe ummm use a bin that is provided

soooooo you have yet to link the quinn building with lpt as councils all over the land have to spend money anyway

Vego

Id like to see the LPT plowed in to a few more playgrounds for kids and skate parks etc ....but you would have to probably liase with the locals and garda about the anti social element involved ...also I think on the anti social element we should invest with a CCTV system in the square say on "the strip" bakery lane the shopping center area monitored by the garda ..........thurles in tipperary do something like this "initially installed for the crowds at games" but it cut down in the number of fights etc when the people knew big brother was watching

bladespin

Vego wrote: »

nope you still haven't linked that building to the lpt and you wont until you can provide any proof that the lpt has been spent on it ...all of what you have said is in your opinion which is ok .....

Never stated LPT was spent on it, just one shining example of poor spending.


Jobs created = my link to jobs that you have dismissed
Can you show how the council managed this then?
Resources saved= centralising the council offices according to rte news " The move into the former Quinn Insurance building will allow the local authority centralise its offices, saving over €765,000 a year on rent and maintenance."
Great idea but as noted above, the building is now being described by the council themselves as not fit for purpose.
Road repairs = Meath.ie have daily road works and improvements
Nothing new, repairs are/were ongoing, plenty of patch work happening the benefit of which disappears shortly after completion - Athboy to Navan Road for example, also have they done nothing to restore the N3 to primary status?
Singage= Have you asked the town engineer on certain things ? our community at the last neighbour hood watch meeting did for signage at a junction and it was done within a month
Good for you, we've been seeking signage for our estate for years, they did however take away the bins and 'children at play' signs though..
planning a mess= meath has been notoriously difficult to get planning permission for a house you can ask any architect in the town (that was the response when I went to build my house)
Oh yes, this is one huge complaint, build one house and you will be literally tortured, build 100 and you get away with murder - many araes are still zoned as residential which will soon bring huge problems. They have done nothing I can see to help anyone planning lol a one-off.
ghost estates they are the responsibility of the builder no ?
Have the councilors done anything to solve it? Many made great speeches about it at the door.
services are poor ?= we have electricity -Council supplied,gas -Council supplied?,water(irish water) - I think the council did a good job on this, IW?,broadband - Council supplied?,navan to this day still retains an a&e department (not for children) -Council supplied?, the state of the litter on a sunday are a workers union issue that has been documented again by the meath chronicle also its up to the residents of towns to maybe ummm use a bin that is provided -agreed but maybe a warden might be an idea?

Funny, the council get credit for a lot that they have no control over IMO.

Vego

bladespin wrote: »

Never stated LPT was spent on it, just one shining example of poor spending.
-If it saves 765,000 a year how just how is it poor spending ???

Jobs created = my link to jobs that you have dismissed
Can you show how the council managed this then?
-Really ??? errr meath council enterprise board, infact the enterpise center, not raising rates since 2009 etc etc

Resources saved= centralising the council offices according to rte news " The move into the former Quinn Insurance building will allow the local authority centralise its offices, saving over €765,000 a year on rent and maintenance."
Great idea but as noted above, the building is now being described by the council themselves as not fit for purpose.
-where exactly does it state not fit for purpose or did you make that up ?

Road repairs = Meath.ie have daily road works and improvements
Nothing new, repairs are/were ongoing, plenty of patch work happening the benefit of which disappears shortly after completion - Athboy to Navan Road for example, also have they done nothing to restore the N3 to primary status?
-athboy to navan road is a bog road it will never ever ever be a good road ....how about the massive job done on the navan slane road ?....n3 primary status ? is it needed wasnt the point of a motorway to use it (even with the toll)

Singage= Have you asked the town engineer on certain things ? our community at the last neighbour hood watch meeting did for signage at a junction and it was done within a month
Good for you, we've been seeking signage for our estate for years, they did however take away the bins and 'children at play' signs though..
-have you asked via registered letter to the town engineer why that happened ....what was the reply

planning a mess= meath has been notoriously difficult to get planning permission for a house you can ask any architect in the town (that was the response when I went to build my house)
Oh yes, this is one huge complaint, build one house and you will be literally tortured, build 100 and you get away with murder - many araes are still zoned as residential which will soon bring huge problems. They have done nothing I can see to help anyone planning lol a one-off.
-So they have done wrong by zoning and done wrong by making sure you done build a massive house between two bungalows
ghost estates they are the responsibility of the builder no ?
Have the councilors done anything to solve it? Many made great speeches about it at the door.
-None made a speech about that at my door or did I see any leaflets about it..how is this a council problem? if the developer still owns the land its the developers problem
services are poor ?= we have electricity -Council supplied?,gas -Council supplied?,water(irish water),broadband - Council supplied?,navan to this day still retains an a&e department (not for children) -Council supplied?, the state of the litter on a sunday are a workers union issue that has been documented again by the meath chronicle also its up to the residents of towns to maybe ummm use a bin that is provided -agreed but maybe a warden might be an idea ?

-Navan have a litter warden numbers in the golden pages
(1890)228466

other than that I dont know what "services" you are on about ....

bladespin

Vego wrote: »

-Navan have a litter warden numbers in the golden pages
(1890)228466

Have you ever actually seen one? There's more to Meath than just Navan BTW.

Vego wrote: »

other than that I dont know what "services" you are on about ....

So, apart from the 'services' listed above that the council don't actually supply, you can only think of litter wardens that they do - kinda sums it up really.

Vego

bladespin wrote: »

Have you ever actually seen one? There's more to Meath than just Navan BTW.


So, apart from the 'services' listed above that the council don't actually supply, you can only think of litter wardens that they do - kinda sums it up really.

what are you on about ....this is clearly trolling you said lack of services in a previous post ...yet failed to mention any so I put up a few yet all you did was pick bits out to criticize, you mention a litter warden ....I gave you a number for one now this meath is more than just navan .....no way .....Post and poster reported for trolling

bladespin

Vego wrote: »

what are you on about ....this is clearly trolling you said lack of services in a previous post ...yet failed to mention any so I put up a few yet all you did was pick bits out to criticize, you mention a litter warden ....I gave you a number for one now this meath is more than just navan .....no way .....Post and poster reported for trolling

I'm talking about how the council spends the money, not county council workers, the elected councilors, the ones who knocked on your door looking for a vote.

I don't need a litter warden, the towns and villages around the county do, more than just a phone number as well please, just an example of a service we're paying for but not really getting.

Not trolling, just responding to your post where you credit the council for an A&E, electricity, gas and broadband - the council do provide services but those simply aren't in their remit.

Vego

This is unbelievable.....im out