Commercial Jeeps

NewApproach

My dad has a 520d and wants to replace it with a commercial jeep. The extra load space would be of huge benefit whilst the lack of rear seats wouldn't be a concern at all. He's a company director and would use the jeep for business purposes too so could put an element through the company.

Anyway, what is recommended? It would be need to be well specced inside, diesel, reliable. Budget €25-35k inc. vat.

Shortlist I guess would be Audi Q7, BMW X5, Merc ML300, Discovery, Land Cruiser, Pajero, Touareg. Any others? Of these, what is recommended/avoided?

Also, what is the latest with commercial tax rates? I understand that the rules changed a couple of years ago but know no more than that.

Thanks

visual

NewApproach wrote: »

My dad has a 520d and wants to replace it with a commercial jeep. The extra load space would be of huge benefit whilst the lack of rear seats wouldn't be a concern at all. He's a company director and would use the jeep for business purposes too so could put an element through the company.

Anyway, what is recommended? It would be need to be well specced inside, diesel, reliable. Budget €25-35k inc. vat.

Shortlist I guess would be Audi Q7, BMW X5, Merc ML300, Discovery, Land Cruiser, Pajero, Touareg. Any others? Of these, what is recommended/avoided?

Also, what is the latest with commercial tax rates? I understand that the rules changed a couple of years ago but know no more than that.

Thanks

audi and bmw aren't really a jeep in the sence they are designed for on road use and don't like muddy fields

I think the commercial rate is 388 motor tax

but if you never taking it off road you should consider a van cheaper to buy and run.

But I like jeeps as im not put off by higher running costs

if I was thinking of off road use I get something that has perigee like discovery range rover Jeep grand cherokee or big toyota or nissan.

Have a good look at the cargo area they aren't as big as some think many are little better than big estate car.

NewApproach

The furthest off the road it will get is having to park in the odd field at a point to point.

Load bay will be fine - it won't need to accommodate pallets.

Vans are horrible, I wouldn't even consider them although that's what he did mention initially.

It is basically a car replacement so comfort is key.

visual

Might as well have comford my choice would be the flag ships from Jeep or Range Rover
BMW X5 would probably be in the running but wouldn't be my cup of tea. Neither would the smaller range rover sport. Commericals aren't as common in these models

To make sence it would have to be diesel and the most common commercial of all the models you listed would be discovery

NewApproach

Likes of this: http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/Q7/SPORT-LI/64414068837716740/advert?channel=CARS

visual

Nice looking 4x4 would be good on a snowy road.

Don't know about the price I be expecting a better deal but it all depends on service history and condition

If he is a director of his own company the sensible thing is to get it as a company vehicle, BIK will be 5 percent of OMSP.

NewApproach

Augeo wrote: »

If he is a director of his own company the sensible thing is to get it as a company vehicle, BIK will be 5 percent of OMSP.

Where do you get 5% from? It would be more than 5%. In any case, it's inefficient if the vehicle in question is more than a few years old, as omsp does not reflect depreciation.

Marcusm

Augeo wrote: »

If he is a director of his own company the sensible thing is to get it as a company vehicle, BIK will be 5 percent of OMSP.

That only applies to vans, not crew cabs and not to vehicles which were modified after construction. A van is defined as something constructed solely or mainly for the carriage of goods (or other burden such as tools) and not for the carriage of persons. If there are any seats behind the driver's area, it will not be a van for BIK purposes. Of course, I understand that there are lots of employers and tax advisers who are wilfully ignoring this.

R.O.R

NewApproach wrote: »

Where do you get 5% from? It would be more than 5%. In any case, it's inefficient if the vehicle in question is more than a few years old, as omsp does not reflect depreciation.

If it meets Revenue's definition of a Van (no seats or windows behind the driver) then BIK is a flat rate of 5%.

Big issue is finding out 5% of what though. BMW, Range Rover and Audi never officially sold the X5/RR/Q7 as commercial vehicles. The Q7 linked above is an original Irish car (rather an used UK vehicle that was converted upon arrival), so would have needed a declared OMV to work out the VRT. What that was, and how you find it out???????

My rough guess would be somewhere around €70,000, so even at 5% BIK it's still around €275 per month to pay tax on.

NewApproach

Thanks.

How does that BIK rule interact with Commercial Tax rates on the vehicle though? Commercial Tax forbids non-commerical use, which implies that if it is taxed as a BIK, some element of the vehicle is used privately.

I presume 'commercial' in this context includes travelling between home and work?

R.O.R

NewApproach wrote: »

Thanks.

How does that BIK rule interact with Commercial Tax rates on the vehicle though? Commercial Tax forbids non-commerical use, which implies that if it is taxed as a BIK, some element of the vehicle is used privately.

I presume 'commercial' in this context includes travelling between home and work?

BIK on commercial vehicles, and commercial road tax contradict each other. If it's taxed commercially then there should be no private usage at all, and therefore no BIK liability. Travel to / from home in a Van is OK where it's expected that you will head to a temporary place of work straight from home, rather than going to the office first. Service Engineers would be the main example of this.

Where drivers have personal usage of a Van, they should be BIK'd at 5%, but technically the van should be taxed privately as well.

NewApproach

R.O.R wrote: »

BIK on commercial vehicles, and commercial road tax contradict each other. If it's taxed commercially then there should be no private usage at all, and therefore no BIK liability. Travel to / from home in a Van is OK where it's expected that you will head to a temporary place of work straight from home, rather than going to the office first. Service Engineers would be the main example of this.

Where drivers have personal usage of a Van, they should be BIK'd at 5%, but technically the van should be taxed privately as well.

Hmm, his justification for requiring a commercial jeep would be loose enough in the first place.

Thinking if its just taxed as a private vehicle, at least he can legitimately put 100% of the expenditure through the business on the basis its a perk of employment and then operate BIK at 5% of the OMSP. Beats financing the running of the car from after tax income anyway.

Marcusm

Marcusm wrote: »

That only applies to vans, not crew cabs and not to vehicles which were modified after construction. A van is defined as something constructed solely or mainly for the carriage of goods (or other burden such as tools) and not for the carriage of persons. If there are any seats behind the driver's area, it will not be a van for BIK purposes. Of course, I understand that there are lots of employers and tax advisers who are wilfully ignoring this.

As below, it applies to vehicles meeting revenues definition, crew cabs don't, commercial jeeps do.

R.O.R wrote: »

If it meets Revenue's definition of a Van (no seats or windows behind the driver) then BIK is a flat rate of 5%.

Big issue is finding out 5% of what though. BMW, Range Rover and Audi never officially sold the X5/RR/Q7 as commercial vehicles. The Q7 linked above is an original Irish car (rather an used UK vehicle that was converted upon arrival), so would have needed a declared OMV to work out the VRT. What that was, and how you find it out???????

My rough guess would be somewhere around €70,000, so even at 5% BIK it's still around €275 per month to pay tax on.

Marcusm

Augeo wrote: »

As below, it applies to vehicles meeting revenues definition, crew cabs don't, commercial jeeps do.

I'm not aware of any Q7, ML, X5,Disco etc which was originally constructed With zero rear seats.

fabsoul

What about a new X-Trail with the 5 seats there a very big boot


http://www.nissan.ie/vehicle/x-trail

NewApproach wrote: »

My dad has a 520d and wants to replace it with a commercial jeep. The extra load space would be of huge benefit whilst the lack of rear seats wouldn't be a concern at all. He's a company director and would use the jeep for business purposes too so could put an element through the company.

Anyway, what is recommended? It would be need to be well specced inside, diesel, reliable. Budget €25-35k inc. vat.

Shortlist I guess would be Audi Q7, BMW X5, Merc ML300, Discovery, Land Cruiser, Pajero, Touareg. Any others? Of these, what is recommended/avoided?

Also, what is the latest with commercial tax rates? I understand that the rules changed a couple of years ago but know no more than that.

Thanks

NewApproach

Can anyone recommend a dealer who specialises in these vehicles?