conspiracy theory films

jh79

So do any of ye enjoy conspiracy type movies? Not food matters and the like but say for example "They Live" by John Carpenter?

jh79

The stuff by Larry Coehen is s good one Fluoridation gets a mention in it.

weisses

Enemy of the state

weisses

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/

Torakx

"Conspiracy Theory" was hilarious in hindsight

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

So do any of ye enjoy conspiracy type movies? Not food matters and the like but say for example "They Live" by John Carpenter?

Not quite a film, but you could check out the show Utopia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(UK_TV_series)

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

So do any of ye enjoy conspiracy type movies? Not food matters and the like but say for example "They Live" by John Carpenter?

Never seen or heard of they live but not quite sure whether you mean Dystopian: Minority Report Fiction: Manchuriuan Candidate, Pelican Brief Faction: Blood diamond, Fact-based: JFK , Charlie Wilson's War or all of the above?

So I'll just go for Wag The Dog.

This is a jsut radio show which is available on the BBC Radio 4 website and Itunes which investigate older mysteries which people probably haven't heard of before, it's really good.

. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00krfns/episodes/guide#b00b5hm9

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Never seen or heard of they live but not quite sure whether you mean Dystopian: Minority Report Fiction: Manchuriuan Candidate, Pelican Brief Faction: Blood diamond, Fact-based: JFK , Charlie Wilson's War or all of the above?

So I'll just go for Wag The Dog.

This is a jsut radio show which is available on the BBC Radio 4 website and Itunes which investigate older mysteries which people probably haven't heard of before, it's really good.

. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00krfns/episodes/guide#b00b5hm9

Fiction , especially b movies form the 70's & 80's Plenty use conspiracy theories as inspiration for plots.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

Fiction , especially b movies form the 70's & 80's Plenty use conspiracy theories as inspiration for plots.

Alright, I'll go for the the stupidest conspiracy theory of all inspiring a movie "Zero Dark Thirty".

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This is a jsut radio show which is available on the BBC Radio 4 website and Itunes which investigate older mysteries which people probably haven't heard of before, it's really good.

. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00krfns/episodes/guide#b00b5hm9

Actually, I can swing this round to being back on topic. Anyone seen the film The Bank Job with the bold bloke out of Lock, Stock and the rest of the Guy Ritchie films?

It's based on an actual London bank robbery:

The Bank Job

A semi-fictional version of the robbery is the subject of the film The Bank Job (2008), which explores another popular theory of the crime that argues the robbery was either set up by, or later covered up by, MI5 to secure sexually compromising photographs of Princess Margaret which were being kept in a deposit box at the bank by known radical Michael X. While this theory has usually been considered yet another urban myth, there have been some individuals, including George McIndoe, an advisor to the film who claimed to have knowledge of the actual robbery,[13] purporting that this was indeed the real motivation for the robbery.

It was a recent episode of the radio show I mentioned:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b049p9yp
The Baker Street Bank Robbery

Series 7 Episode 2 of 4

Torakx

Well if dystopian is allowed...
The Network (ok thats CT, forgot I live in a dystopian world ahhahahhaa))
Soylent Green

jh79

Living Dead at the Manchester Morgue

An experimental peat control machine causes a zombie attack

thehippychippy

How bout "the Insider" ? About the tabacco industry?
Or that one with Dustin Hoffman and Robert Redford about the water gate scandal?

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

Living Dead at the Manchester Morgue

An experimental peat control machine causes a zombie attack

That should read "pest control".

Hoop66

thehippychippy wrote: »

Or that one with Dustin Hoffman and Robert Redford about the water gate scandal?

All the President's Men. Excellent film, about an actual conspiracy. You know, one that can be verified by reputable witnesses; and that doesn't need links to batshit insane youtube videos to make it's point.

cml387

The very best CT film of all time has to be "The Parallax view".

Political assassination
Shadowy sinister organisation
Mind control.

It's got everything.

SoapMcTavish

cml387 wrote: »

The very best CT film of all time has to be "The Parallax view".

Political assassination
Shadowy sinister organisation
Mind control.

It's got everything.

Yup .... agree with that ...

Cianmcliam

Oliver Stone's JFK is an enjoyable load of claptrap.

Norma_Desmond

Blow Out (1981) - Sound recordist records a car crash that turns out to be murder.

Would also say Jacob's Ladder (1990) and The Manchurian Candidate (1962 - There's a 2004 one, but the original is better IMO).

JFK (1991) too. Edit: Someone mentioned this while I was formulating my post
Ah well.

I watched Snowpiercer the other day and it had a kind of a conspiracy theory bent to it.

In the opening the set up is that the World governments are going to solve global warming by geo-engineering the planet and spraying a chemical into the atmosphere. They show this by showing a few airplanes flying overhead spreading chemtrails.
It of course goes horribly wrong.

weisses

King Mob wrote: »

I watched Snowpiercer the other day and it had a kind of a conspiracy theory bent to it.

could recommend it ... Good movie

jh79

King Mob wrote: »

I watched Snowpiercer the other day and it had a kind of a conspiracy theory bent to it.

In the opening the set up is that the World governments are going to solve global warming by geo-engineering the planet and spraying a chemical into the atmosphere. They show this by showing a few airplanes flying overhead spreading chemtrails.
It of course goes horribly wrong.

Looking forward to this , got the Host on Bluray last week. Hope to watch it soon. Tend to watch a lot of Asian cinema but have yet to see any of his films.

Beano

jh79 wrote: »

Looking forward to this , got the Host on Bluray last week. Hope to watch it soon. Tend to watch a lot of Asian cinema but have yet to see any of his films.

Snowpiercer is a really interesting film that gets a bit silly at the end. Enjoyable though, especially Tilda Swinton who is unrecognisable. Not sure i would call it a CT film.

degrassinoel

it was a conspiracy, great film too. Really surprised at it being as good as it was

CountyHurler

Cianmcliam wrote: »

Oliver Stone's JFK is an enjoyable load of claptrap.

Claptrap? The film by it's nature is meant to be conjecture... Conjecture is all that Stone can offer in opposition to the Warren Commission / Magic Bullet / Oswald Expert Marksman story that is put forward by the Government. There's a lot of his hypotheses that are just as unbelievable as some of those put forward by the Warren Commissions, but it's one of those situations where you just have to make up your mind as to what you think happened....

And on that topic.. I came across this movie about the JFK assassination, possibly the first movie about the subject.. This was made in 1973, two years before the Zapruder footage was made public...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b25BWxhvOE

porsche959

cml387 wrote: »

The very best CT film of all time has to be "The Parallax view".

Political assassination
Shadowy sinister organisation
Mind control.

It's got everything.

Agreed here. It's one of the greatest movies of all time in my view, of any genre.

cdoherty86

conspircy therist films. i think, probly alien by scott ridly becuse he didn't want pepel to beleeve in the big bang thery which trumps all that nonsence in bible.

big bang is syentific fact, baked up by syentists.

Give me a chance.

I loved Capricorn One even though it was stupid, it was nice to fantasize about some fake mars landing.

degrassinoel

There is a massive conspiracy in Alien and Aliens anyway regarding the weyland yutani corporation and their motives for sending the Nostromo crew to the derelict, and again in the sequel when Paul Reiser's character (Burke) sends Ripley and the colonial marines back to LV426 .

Works out a lot better in the first film though.

cdoherty86

Global conspiracy to convince people using the film Prometheus we were made by some 8 foot tall "engineers" and Ridley Scott hasn't decided what for yet but we can presume he'll explain in his sequel...

Makes more sense than big bang i suppose which is current dogma among non believers.

I have a question for Atheists, why does an Earthworm compost? How does it know? How does it know? ....eh?

Roquentin

oliver stones JFK is essential viewing. arguably the greatest

cdoherty86

Roquentin wrote: »

oliver stones JFK is essential viewing. arguably the greatest

I would disagree since it doesn't discuss the Israeli connection with Dimona Nuclear site.

Contextualize the fact his brother's shooter was a Palestinian who to this day denies voluntarily shooting Bobby Kennedy.

No film touches on the fact when JFK demanded Israel cease it's construction of Nuclear weapons, he and his brother were assassinated for that very demand.

Yes sir.

Jack Ruby (Rubenstein) was quoted as confessing to his Rabbi he did it for the Homeland.
We tend to forget the reality when it comes to history.

Roquentin

cdoherty86 wrote: »

I would disagree since it doesn't discuss the Israeli connection with Dimona Nuclear site.

Contextualize the fact his brother's shooter was a Palestinian who to this day denies voluntarily shooting Bobby Kennedy.

No film touches on the fact when JFK demanded Israel cease it's construction of Nuclear weapons, he and his brother were assassinated for that very demand.

Yes sir.

Jack Ruby (Rubenstein) was quoted as confessing to his Rabbi he did it for the Homeland.
We tend to forget the reality when it comes to history.

i watch films and base my observations on the fact that i enjoyed watching it. maybe its not factual, but its a film

cdoherty86

Roquentin wrote: »

i watch films and base my observations on the fact that i enjoyed watching it. maybe its not factual, but its a film

I know, was just joking really. No offense intended.

Cianmcliam

cdoherty86 wrote: »

I would disagree since it doesn't discuss the Israeli connection with Dimona Nuclear site.

Contextualize the fact his brother's shooter was a Palestinian who to this day denies voluntarily shooting Bobby Kennedy.

No film touches on the fact when JFK demanded Israel cease it's construction of Nuclear weapons, he and his brother were assassinated for that very demand.

Yes sir.

Jack Ruby (Rubenstein) was quoted as confessing to his Rabbi he did it for the Homeland.
We tend to forget the reality when it comes to history.

The reality is that there is no doubt Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy, and little room for doubt that he did it alone.

degrassinoel

heh, magic bullet believer eh?

Cianmcliam

degrassinoel wrote: »

heh, magic bullet believer eh?

There's no magic bullet theory, there's a single bullet theory that conspiracy believers have to deny by lying or being mistaken about.

JFK is an excellent example of the conspiracy deception, putting JFK and Connolly sitting right in front of each other in a standard car seating plan. Connolly was below and to Kennedy's left and his body was turned when the bullet struck. The 'bullet hanging in mid air' is due to poor interpretation of the Zapruder film, under close scrutiny the bullet blows out Connolly's jacket just after it hit Kennedy.

degrassinoel

really is the wrong thread for this unless we're discussing the Oliver stone film?

Cianmcliam

degrassinoel wrote: »

really is the wrong thread for this unless we're discussing the Oliver stone film?

Yes, the film has that inexcusable sequence on the 'magic bullet' as if this had not been settled years ago. Stone had the two guys in the demo sitting one in front of the other at the same height and both facing forward. That enables him to swing the yardstick around leading viewers under the impression that the Warren commission actually believed this is what the bullet did. There is an undeniable trajectory through Kennedy's throat, down into Connolly's back and into his wrist then impacting his thigh. No magic just physics.

degrassinoel

Well here's the scene, i think it's done very well tbh

Cianmcliam

Here's how it actually happened, animation by Dale Myers:

degrassinoel

I'll give it watch later, haven't the time right now, but try to keep the topic on topic.

Baked.noodle

Conspiracy (2001)

Exceptionally good.

MonkieSocks

Grandpa Walton ordered the hit On JFK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bsMpU2IVWU

More weird stuff here


http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/187812/John_F_Kennedy_THE_LAST_WARNING/

Brown Bomber

cdoherty86 wrote: »

I would disagree since it doesn't discuss the Israeli connection with Dimona Nuclear site.

Contextualize the fact his brother's shooter was a Palestinian who to this day denies voluntarily shooting Bobby Kennedy.

No film touches on the fact when JFK demanded Israel cease it's construction of Nuclear weapons, he and his brother were assassinated for that very demand.

Yes sir.

Jack Ruby (Rubenstein) was quoted as confessing to his Rabbi he did it for the Homeland.
We tend to forget the reality when it comes to history.

This can be explained by the fact that JFK was produced by Arnon Milchan - An admitted Israeli spy.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/53683243#53683243

It''s a bit odd. I like Stone, he's got balls and he seems honest. The documentary series he did with some Professor on hidden history was excellent.

Hootanany

CountyHurler wrote: »

Claptrap? The film by it's nature is meant to be conjecture... Conjecture is all that Stone can offer in opposition to the Warren Commission / Magic Bullet / Oswald Expert Marksman story that is put forward by the Government. There's a lot of his hypotheses that are just as unbelievable as some of those put forward by the Warren Commissions, but it's one of those situations where you just have to make up your mind as to what you think happened....

And on that topic.. I came across this movie about the JFK assassination, possibly the first movie about the subject.. This was made in 1973, two years before the Zapruder footage was made public...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b25BWxhvOE

Film has been removed:(

cml387

The Parallax View is available on Irish Netflix at the moment.