House broken into, can we leave?

UnluckyInLuck

Our house was broken into lastnight and our car, along with other stuff, was robbed. Can we break our lease? I can't continue living here

ted1

No, unfortunately this happens. Imagine if you had a mortgage on the house

UnluckyInLuck

Well either way, we will be moving. But thanks

neckedit

to say "No" is ridiculous!! I was in the same position this time last year....Land Lord understood our position and allowed ua to break the lease without any penalty. Either way you can do whatever you want it's entirely your call.

MouseTail

I'm really sorry, this can be very traumatic. I would say mind yourself over the next few days, and don't make any rash decisions.
Whilst being broken into is not a valid reason to terminate a lease, often a LL will allow you to. Is there any security measures the LL could put in place to make this less likely to happen again, and could offer you reassurance?

Michael D Not Higgins

Sorry to hear that OP, I hope you had insurance. Your landlord may be willing to cut you a deal but is under no legal obligation to do so.

Fol20

neckedit wrote: »

to say "No" is ridiculous!! I was in the same position this time last year....Land Lord understood our position and allowed ua to break the lease without any penalty. Either way you can do whatever you want it's entirely your call.

How is it ridiculous? You signed a fixed term contract. Complications can arise during any tenancy and this is something out of the landlords control. As someone else mentioned count yourself lucky that its not a mortgage and at least you can leave after one year.

Michael D Not Higgins

Fol20 wrote: »

How is it ridiculous? You signed a fixed term contract. Complications can arise during any tenancy and this is something out of the landlords control. As someone else mentioned count yourself lucky that its not a mortgage and at least you can leave after one year.

If the car was leased, would they break the lease because the car was broken into?

D3PO

neckedit wrote: »

to say "No" is ridiculous!! I was in the same position this time last year....Land Lord understood our position and allowed ua to break the lease without any penalty. Either way you can do whatever you want it's entirely your call.

To say no is not ridiculous its the correct response based on the OP's rights.

Nobody is saying that common sense via a discussion with the LL cannot prevail but its important to know your rights which the poster clearly set out.

foggy_lad

Was the house/apartment secure to begin with?

Victor

UnluckyInLuck wrote: »

Can we break our lease?

No, at least not without compensating the landlord.

You can however assign the lease to a third party. the landlord can probably insist on the same criteria used when selecting you as a tenant.

Potatoeman

Do you have a neighbourhood watch? I just picked up motion sensor web cams that I can check remotley. If someone breaks in Ill have pictures. Only 60-70 a pop.

UnluckyInLuck

Thanks for everyone's advice. Seems well just have to break our lease.

Sala

UnluckyInLuck wrote: »

Our house was broken into lastnight and our car, along with other stuff, was robbed. Can we break our lease? I can't continue living here

I know you were looking for advice specifically about breaking your lease, but if I may stray off topic a bit... do you perhaps think you might be too emotional given it was only last night? I'm sure it's very frightening, but maybe give it a couple of days? I presume you rented this place because you like it in some way - price, handy for work etc? You can be broken into anywhere, so I wouldn't necessarily give up the lease because of it. Could you look into getting the landlord to install an alarm, or identify any weaknesses that made it easier to break in and fix them?

boombang

Sala wrote: »

I know you were looking for advice specifically about breaking your lease, but if I may stray off topic a bit... do you perhaps think you might be too emotional given it was only last night? I'm sure it's very frightening, but maybe give it a couple of days? I presume you rented this place because you like it in some way - price, handy for work etc? You can be broken into anywhere, so I wouldn't necessarily give up the lease because of it. Could you look into getting the landlord to install an alarm, or identify any weaknesses that made it easier to break in and fix them?

I think this is the most positive and helpful comment in this thread. It is completely understandable that you would want to leave. However, given your options it might not be no bad idea to sleep on it for a night or two.

That said. If I knew the criminals were local or that you're still vulnerable then I'd be inclined to break the lease too.

Very sorry to hear of the upset and best of luck.

davo10

When someone breaks into your house, they have violated the place we are supposed to feel safest. It's natural to not be able to feel safe there again, but if you are trying to find a house in an area where there have been no break ins, then prepare for a very long search. Burglers are in most cases opportunists, they don't know you and have nothing against you, they spotted a house with no alarm, possibly old windows/doors which were easy to open. Instead of looking at moving, look at improving security, remember the chances of you being robbed a second time are virtually nil.

Regarding your lease, of course you can leave, but you will have to deal with whatever fall out ensues, lost deposit, no reference, payment for outstanding time on lease.

UnluckyInLuck

This break in has put the final nail in the coffin where this house is concerned. We moved into it quickly coz it was cheap, available and we had to move fast half way across the country. I wanted so desperately to move before this happened. This will just speed up the process

Michael D Not Higgins

davo10 wrote: »

remember the chances of you being robbed a second time are virtually nil.

This isn't technically true. I've heard stories of burglars who wait for people to get their insurance paid out and stuff replaced and rob them again.

After being robbed, you have to upgrade your security.

Michael D Not Higgins

UnluckyInLuck wrote: »

This break in has put the final nail in the coffin where this house is concerned. We moved into it quickly coz it was cheap, available and we had to move fast half way across the country. I wanted so desperately to move before this happened. This will just speed up the process

Have you spoken with the landlord yet? Try not to be emotional when discussing it and try not to assign blame to the landlord. If he feels defensive he may be less likely to cooperate. Good luck.

3DataModem

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

This isn't technically true. I've heard stories of burglars who wait for people to get their insurance paid out and stuff replaced and rob them again.

After being robbed, you have to upgrade your security.

Absolutely. They target people with new stuff.

Ice Storm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

This isn't technically true. I've heard stories of burglars who wait for people to get their insurance paid out and stuff replaced and rob them again.

After being robbed, you have to upgrade your security.

Yep, I was burgled last year in a rented apartment, as was my neighbour across the hall. I found out when talking to my neighbour that it was the third time it had happened!

My lease was up and I'd been planning to leave anyway. But my landlord was a reasonable guy and I'm sure he would have allowed me to break my lease if I'd asked.

Victor

Ice Storm wrote: »

Yep, I was burgled last year in a rented apartment, as was my neighbour across the hall. I found out when talking to my neighbour that it was the third time it had happened!.

Burglaries happen in clusters - the burglar(s) work out the security fault in one property (lane at rear, low gate, etc.) and then use that fault to target neighbouring properties.

P_1

First of all I'm sorry to hear that your house was broken into. Now as others have said, legally speaking, unfortunately having your house broken into isn't valid grounds for breaking the lease but if your landlord is reasonable they should allow you to do so. The most important thing to do is to talk to the landlord and explain the situation.

Citygirl1

Potatoeman wrote: »

Do you have a neighbourhood watch? I just picked up motion sensor web cams that I can check remotley. If someone breaks in Ill have pictures. Only 60-70 a pop.

Hi Potatoeman - Would you mind sharing where you got your camera, and which type? This seems like a good price for such cameras and I would be interested in getting a similar one.

OP - I would in general echo the opinions already given that moving because of a break in would not be advisable. You have the possibility of being broken into in almost any location.

I would advise looking carefully at security (alarms, cameras, door locks) no matter where you live.

However, it sounds like you want to move anyway. I wouldn't automatically expect the landlord to just give up the lease, and you will have to negociate.

UnluckyInLuck

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Have you spoken with the landlord yet? Try not to be emotional when discussing it and try not to assign blame to the landlord. If he feels defensive he may be less likely to cooperate. Good luck.

I don't blame the landlord at all. My point was I hated this house to begin with and this has just made it unbearable to live in.

delahuntv

UnluckyInLuck wrote: »

Well either way, we will be moving. But thanks

UnluckyInLuck wrote: »

Thanks for everyone's advice. Seems well just have to break our lease.

UnluckyInLuck wrote: »

I don't blame the landlord at all. My point was I hated this house to begin with and this has just made it unbearable to live in.

Looks like you are using the break in as an excuse.

You have 2 choices - act in haste and with an attitude as you seem to display in the posts and run the risk of losing deposit and not getting references (these days references from landlords are extremely important)

or you can talk to the landlord and tell him/her that you don't feel safe due to the break in and would be grateful if they could allow you move.

Basically, good manners and politeness will get you an awful lot further than a rant and an attitude.

Potatoeman

Citygirl1 wrote: »

Hi Potatoeman - Would you mind sharing where you got your camera, and which type? This seems like a good price for such cameras and I would be interested in getting a similar one.

OP - I would in general echo the opinions already given that moving because of a break in would not be advisable. You have the possibility of being broken into in almost any location.

I would advise looking carefully at security (alarms, cameras, door locks) no matter where you live.

However, it sounds like you want to move anyway. I wouldn't automatically expect the landlord to just give up the lease, and you will have to negociate.

Dcs-932l on amazon.co.uk. They are wireless and you can use a smartphone app to check live feeds. They have motion sensors so you set them up to mail you pictures. There is a youtube video with instructions for this.

zef

As an aside on those home security cams, don't forget to change the password on them or you can be watched in real time as you go about your business at home.

neckedit

I am not speaking of rights and legalities......Im speaking from a point of view where a lease is not the be all and end all of this op's life. yes there maybe a penalty to pay, but Id pay it rather than stress about staying in a place I could never feel safe in. This time last year I was in the same boat, but after a calm conversation with the LL we walked away without penalty.....yes very lucky....but either way....we where walking.
sorry for your trouble OP, I'd wish it on no one.

UnluckyInLuck

delahuntv wrote:

Looks like you are using the break in as an excuse.

I asked for advice NOT your opinion.

UnluckyInLuck

neckedit wrote:

I am not speaking of rights and legalities......Im speaking from a point of view where a lease is not the be all and end all of this op's life. yes there maybe a penalty to pay, but Id pay it rather than stress about staying in a place I could never feel safe in. This time last year I was in the same boat, but after a calm conversation with the LL we walked away without penalty.....yes very lucky....but either way....we where walking. sorry for your trouble OP, I'd wish it on no one.

Thank you very much. Seems alot on this thread have no idea what we are going through as a family and I hope they never have to. Time to close my account on boards as it seems impossible to get advice anywhere on the site without people forcing an opinion along with it.

Mezcita

UnluckyInLuck wrote: »

I asked for advice NOT your opinion.

Guh. Standard boards.ie response of someone getting arsey just because they don't agree with what someone else has said.

You've received a lot of decent advice her OP. By all means throw the keys back at the landlord but remember he/she is well within their rights to hang on to the deposit.

As others have said, you can get burgled anywhere.

UnluckyInLuck

Mezcita wrote:

You've received a lot of decent advice her OP. By all means throw the keys back at the landlord but remember he/she is well within their rights to hang on to the deposit.

Maybe if you read over you'll see I never mentioned throwing the keys back at the landlord. I ASKED if it makes any difference to the lease but you're such a rude and unpleasant person you jump down the the throat of someone who has just been robbed blind. It's says alot about the nasty kind ofbperson you are. I'm no longer going to waste time on you.

Thank you to all who gave genuine advice and gave facts, not opinions I didn't ask for.

UnluckyInLuck

UnluckyInLuck wrote: »

Thank you very much. Seems alot on this thread have no idea what we are going through as a family and I hope they never have to. Time to close my account on boards as it seems impossible to get advice anywhere on the site without people forcing an opinion along with it.

i have no advice about breaking your lease, id imagine thats completely based on your landlord, but

seriously OP, this is something you need to get over, no offence!
what if you owned the house? would you move out straight away and put the house on the market?

honestly you can get burgled absolutely anywhere in the country.

i live in dublin, i have been burgled twice in two completely different areas.
my mother lives alone in the country, a very quiet area, she got burgled, but the very same night she was determined to stay in the house on her own, because she knew if she didnt, she would be afraid to stay there forever more.

The_Morrigan

Folks cut out the snide remarks and quit personalising your posts.

Kelly06

First of all op, very sorry to hear about your break in. I know how it feels, it happened to me and it really is incredibly hard to get over! I would move if I was you, appeal to the landlord and maybe offer to cover the re advertisement fees or something.

Legally the other posters are correct in saying that you can't break the lease, but with emotions running high the way they are I can understand you couldn't give a flying f*ck about that! Maybe your landlord is a decent sort and will understand.

My break in was 2 years ago and the place still doesn't feel like home on the two occasions since then that I came home and the alarm was going off I sat in the car terrified to go into the house. I own my home so I didn't have the option to leave .

Did you call the landlord and ask to meet with him/her?

Mezcita

UnluckyInLuck wrote: »

Maybe if you read over you'll see I never mentioned throwing the keys back at the landlord. I ASKED if it makes any difference to the lease but you're such a rude and unpleasant person you jump down the the throat of someone who has just been robbed blind. It's says alot about the nasty kind ofbperson you are. I'm no longer going to waste time on you.

Thank you to all who gave genuine advice and gave facts, not opinions I didn't ask for.

Wish I could thank this twice.

Fine line between your interpretation of the words "advice" and "opinions" it seems.

delahuntv

Obviously the OP has no interest in listening to any advice or "opinion" that does not conform to his/her view.


OP - go ahead and do what you want - if you do'nt want to listen to people's advice/opinion because it does not match what YOU want to do, it will come back at you. In any case what was the point of your query? - Just waiting for one person to tell you what you want to hear?


Basic manners and politeness will get you a lot further in life than having an attitude.

The_Morrigan

The OP has been banned so I'm locking this up