Good laptop

LukeyKid

Basically i'm looking for a nice high end gaming laptop that can also run mac os.
i personally don't like Mac's and think there way to over priced for what you get, so i want a windows laptop that i can boot mac with but all have a pretty power house laptop

I just started collage and i wanted to get a new pc but nice laptop will do, im a fan of windows so i want to keep that but for collage every thing is on mac so i need that side 2.

max price - 1250.

specs id like to see,

windows 8.1
8GB+ Ram
I7 CPU
SSD + HDD
Nice Gpu (Im no good with laptop Gpu's so if someone can tell me what to look for be a great help

may be able to up my budget but ill just stick with that for now.

Thanks
Luke

5uspect

Here is a list of Hackintosh capable machines:
http://www.macbreaker.com/2014/04/the-best-hackintosh-laptops-of-2013-2014.html
(Probably not allowed be be discussed here for legal reasons)

If you don't like Apple hardware but like the OS why not just install a Linux distro like Mint?

LukeyKid

5uspect wrote: »

Here is a list of Hackintosh capable machines:
http://www.macbreaker.com/2014/04/the-best-hackintosh-laptops-of-2013-2014.html
(Probably not allowed be be discussed here for legal reasons)

If you don't like Apple hardware but like the OS why not just install a Linux distro like Mint?

Thanks and is it illegal ? never really though about it to be honest and no i just have this idea in my head :P

My idea is to get a laptop like this

http://mysn.co.uk/shop/checkout/cart/

Dont know will you be able to see that, but yeah i want a proper gaming pc with the option of mac os if possible :L

5uspect

LukeyKid wrote: »

Thanks and is it illegal ? never really though about it to be honest and no i just have this idea in my head :P

My idea is to get a laptop like this

http://mysn.co.uk/shop/checkout/cart/

Dont know will you be able to see that, but yeah i want a proper gaming pc with the option of mac os if possible :L

You can't buy OS X to install on non-Apple hardware. You would have to obtain a copy illegally. There license terms prohibit it too.

Why OS X over say Linux? There are a lot of nice native features to OS X which is why I use Macs. But I'll happily use Linux if Mac wasn't an option.

Also, be wary of gaming laptops. They're never all that good and tend to be hot and underpowered for more demanding games.

PaulRyan17

Ok first thing it is much harder to install Mac OS on a Windows Machine then it is to install windows on a mac machine so if you really want to go that route you should perhaps buy a mac otherwise it is not worth the hassle especially since you can just get Linux.

Second thing for gaming laptops are not the way to go, they tend to be incredibly expensive and not perform well under pressure plus they become outdated quite quickly and due to their nature you cannot upgrade the majority of the components so your hands are tied.

If you're hell bent on getting a laptop, Dell XPS 13 would be a good way to go although it won't be great for gaming and they tend to be expensive

LukeyKid

PaulRyan17 wrote: »

Ok first thing it is much harder to install Mac OS on a Windows Machine then it is to install windows on a mac machine so if you really want to go that route you should perhaps buy a mac otherwise it is not worth the hassle especially since you can just get Linux.

Second thing for gaming laptops are not the way to go, they tend to be incredibly expensive and not perform well under pressure plus they become outdated quite quickly and due to their nature you cannot upgrade the majority of the components so your hands are tied.

If you're hell bent on getting a laptop, Dell XPS 13 would be a good way to go although it won't be great for gaming and they tend to be expensive

No what i want it for is to run final cut pro and can't be got for windows and i don't know about linux and iv never really been a fan of linux not that I've ever used it much.

Serephucus

OSX is Linux.

LukeyKid

Serephucus wrote: »

OSX is Linux.

Fair enough so what would be the most similar OS to OSX ?

TheBandicoot

Serephucus wrote: »

OSX is Linux.

..no it's not. It doesn't use the Linux kernel. It uses some of the GNU userspace and I think it is POSIX compatible, but it's not Linux. I can't stand using OSX, it is a total pain in the ass.

OP- realistically, just get a Macbook and use Boot Camp for when you want to use Windows. Anything else would be a painful compromise and a nightmare to maintain. If your college really requires you to use Final Cut Pro specifically, they should have either a computer lab or an Apple for Education discount or something. What is the course?

justjustin

TheBandicoot wrote: »

..no it's not. It doesn't use the Linux kernel. It uses some of the GNU userspace and I think it is POSIX compatible, but it's not Linux. I can't stand using OSX, it is a total pain in the ass.

OP- realistically, just get a Macbook and use Boot Camp for when you want to use Windows. Anything else would be a painful compromise and a nightmare to maintain. If your college really requires you to use Final Cut Pro specifically, they should have either a computer lab or an Apple for Education discount or something. What is the course?

True. Although both are Unix-like, Linux uses a monolithic kernel and OSX uses a hybrid kernel (XNU) which uses features of both monolithic kernels and microkernels. Windows uses a microkernel.

AFAIK, installing OSX on anything other than Apple hardware is illegal - in addition to the fact that you will most likely be acquiring the software illegally. I'm just pointing this out so you are clear, not judging in any way

Unless it's a Final Cut course, I find it a little unfair to use that software since it's OS specific. Why not use Adobe which is cross-platform and has reasonable student offers, well, reasonable when compared to forking out for an Apple system. /rant

Serephucus

TheBandicoot wrote: »

..no it's not. It doesn't use the Linux kernel. It uses some of the GNU userspace and I think it is POSIX compatible, but it's not Linux. I can't stand using OSX, it is a total pain in the ass.

It's far closer to Linux than it is to Windows, as far as most Mac users are concerned. Fair enough if you're doing kernel-level stuff, but I'd imagine most iMac owners wouldn't be doing this.

Gehad_JoyRider

This thread is kinda silly, Op wants to run a hackintosh, on his windows laptop which is fine it really is but there feck all common sense here.
I went to college with two guys booth had hackintoshs booth were working final cut, adobe suites etc, media side of things. They booth had system crash's constantly these guys are pretty tech savey. Close to assignment deadlines.
If I was to say anything if your going to be using final cut X for the next 4 years? just spend the money on a decent 15 inch mac book pro and boot camp it if you want to be able to run windows too.
Its complete retarded relaying on a hackintosh, the level of mentality behind it is beyond me. You need a stable system for final cut and video editing having crashs other related issues is nothing short of a pain in the ass. If I was you I'd re consider your plan and be smart about it.

I work in media and id rather have a stable system its makes no sense to rely on a hack for your operating system is complete insanity wake up spend the money, for college after that go to windows get an asus or an msi razer alien wear or any other brand of laptop you want. How ever for sheer common sense and reliability just go mac.

5uspect

Serephucus wrote: »

It's far closer to Linux than it is to Windows, as far as most Mac users are concerned. Fair enough if you're doing kernel-level stuff, but I'd imagine most iMac owners wouldn't be doing this.

Linux and OS X are both UNIX derivatives. As a result they are both POSIX compliment so you get all the command line goodness that comes with it.

However beyond that OS X has a lot of features you don't get in many other *NIX systems. For example PDF is natively supported so you can print to PDF anywhere. You can edit PDFs using its powerful Preview app. Also the OS in general is a joy to use. The gesture based navigation, multiple desktops (not unique to OS X) and responsive UI means that it rarely gets in the way. Windows in comparison simply feels claustrophobic.

Bepolite

It is my ambition in life to be involved in the inevitable anti-trust suit that smacks Apple in the balls.

LukeyKid

TheBandicoot wrote: »

..no it's not. It doesn't use the Linux kernel. It uses some of the GNU userspace and I think it is POSIX compatible, but it's not Linux. I can't stand using OSX, it is a total pain in the ass.

OP- realistically, just get a Macbook and use Boot Camp for when you want to use Windows. Anything else would be a painful compromise and a nightmare to maintain. If your college really requires you to use Final Cut Pro specifically, they should have either a computer lab or an Apple for Education discount or something. What is the course?

justjustin wrote: »

True. Although both are Unix-like, Linux uses a monolithic kernel and OSX uses a hybrid kernel (XNU) which uses features of both monolithic kernels and microkernels. Windows uses a microkernel.

AFAIK, installing OSX on anything other than Apple hardware is illegal - in addition to the fact that you will most likely be acquiring the software illegally. I'm just pointing this out so you are clear, not judging in any way

Unless it's a Final Cut course, I find it a little unfair to use that software since it's OS specific. Why not use Adobe which is cross-platform and has reasonable student offers, well, reasonable when compared to forking out for an Apple system. /rant

Serephucus wrote: »

It's far closer to Linux than it is to Windows, as far as most Mac users are concerned. Fair enough if you're doing kernel-level stuff, but I'd imagine most iMac owners wouldn't be doing this.

Gehad_JoyRider wrote: »

This thread is kinda silly, Op wants to run a hackintosh, on his windows laptop which is fine it really is but there feck all common sense here.
I went to college with two guys booth had hackintoshs booth were working final cut, adobe suites etc, media side of things. They booth had system crash's constantly these guys are pretty tech savey. Close to assignment deadlines.
If I was to say anything if your going to be using final cut X for the next 4 years? just spend the money on a decent 15 inch mac book pro and boot camp it if you want to be able to run windows too.
Its complete retarded relaying on a hackintosh, the level of mentality behind it is beyond me. You need a stable system for final cut and video editing having crashs other related issues is nothing short of a pain in the ass. If I was you I'd re consider your plan and be smart about it.

I work in media and id rather have a stable system its makes no sense to rely on a hack for your operating system is complete insanity wake up spend the money, for college after that go to windows get an asus or an msi razer alien wear or any other brand of laptop you want. How ever for sheer common sense and reliability just go mac.

5uspect wrote: »

Linux and OS X are both UNIX derivatives. As a result they are both POSIX compliment so you get all the command line goodness that comes with it.

However beyond that OS X has a lot of features you don't get in many other *NIX systems. For example PDF is natively supported so you can print to PDF anywhere. You can edit PDFs using its powerful Preview app. Also the OS in general is a joy to use. The gesture based navigation, multiple desktops (not unique to OS X) and responsive UI means that it rarely gets in the way. Windows in comparison simply feels claustrophobic.

Well ye succeeded in making me feel dumb anyways :P
well i'm not 100% sure that i can do this yet but, one of the teachers there said that it should be any problem using any software as long as the standard is up to scratch. i don't need to get a mac i want a lad in second year said it mad his life a hell of a lot easier instead of traveling up and down to collage to work on projects he could work from home, but the teacher also said that i could use a program called premiere and that is very similar i can i use it on windows so that saves me a lot of problems but i first need to make sure its okay with my proper teachers, and so if i can use it and then i can go with my windows PC
like i completely agree that Mac are very well made great standard and last ages but just the lack of hardware for your money when you can get so much more is what i hate and im a bit of a gamer so i want that option like i know that running it to much it will over heat but ill be manly using it for collage thats it small bit of dota here and there and counter strike thats it really, but then i just like to have the option to run more if i want then to just stick with a pc that will do what i want but nothing more and i just wanna treat my self
and i probey should have said this at the start but i do multimedia

Serephucus

You could always just run OSX in a VM or something if you really needed to. My masters was "platform agnostic" (read: entirely Mac-based) so it's what I had to do for one of the programs used. Most of the time it was just the Adobe suite though which transferred fine between different machines (mine were all Windows).

LukeyKid

Serephucus wrote: »

You could always just run OSX in a VM or something if you really needed to. My masters was "platform agnostic" (read: entirely Mac-based) so it's what I had to do for one of the programs used. Most of the time it was just the Adobe suite though which transferred fine between different machines (mine were all Windows).

Yeah i was thinking that, how do you download OSX is it on the apple website ?

TheBandicoot

Apple doesn't support that, and you can't just download an installer that will work in a VM- it requires using third party tools or pirated distributions.

If you want to use OSX, get a Mac, seriously.

Gehad_JoyRider

LukeyKid wrote: »

Well ye succeeded in making me feel dumb anyways :P
well i'm not 100% sure that i can do this yet but, one of the teachers there said that it should be any problem using any software as long as the standard is up to scratch. i don't need to get a mac i want a lad in second year said it mad his life a hell of a lot easier instead of traveling up and down to collage to work on projects he could work from home, but the teacher also said that i could use a program called premiere and that is very similar i can i use it on windows so that saves me a lot of problems but i first need to make sure its okay with my proper teachers, and so if i can use it and then i can go with my windows PC
like i completely agree that Mac are very well made great standard and last ages but just the lack of hardware for your money when you can get so much more is what i hate and im a bit of a gamer so i want that option like i know that running it to much it will over heat but ill be manly using it for collage thats it small bit of dota here and there and counter strike thats it really, but then i just like to have the option to run more if i want then to just stick with a pc that will do what i want but nothing more and i just wanna treat my self
and i probey should have said this at the start but i do multimedia

Right ok a bit more information, thats what we needed from the start
if your studying multi media I presume your going to be using dream weaver photo shop, (flash) Illustrator and premier pro possible after effects?

If your going to get a good laptop in windows format first thing you need to take into account is your screen, a good Ips panel will that will maintain color accuracy is important it will make your work better.

http://www.msi.com/product/nb/GS60_2PE_Ghost_Pro.html#hero-specification bang for buck the msi one has everything you need you need, good card ram with some pretty niffty features and you can game. The only thing is its 1080p and not 1920 bye 1200, the aspect ratio does make a difference. ( IMO )

Other then that your budget would allow you a decent desktop screen for when working at home, which I really recommend. and also get your self a wacom tablet there more acurate then mouse's for editing.

LukeyKid

Gehad_JoyRider wrote: »

Right ok a bit more information, thats what we needed from the start
if your studying multi media I presume your going to be using dream weaver photo shop, (flash) Illustrator and premier pro possible after effects?

If your going to get a good laptop in windows format first thing you need to take into account is your screen, a good Ips panel will that will maintain color accuracy is important it will make your work better.

http://www.msi.com/product/nb/GS60_2PE_Ghost_Pro.html#hero-specification bang for buck the msi one has everything you need you need, good card ram with some pretty niffty features and you can game. The only thing is its 1080p and not 1920 bye 1200, the aspect ratio does make a difference. ( IMO )

Other then that your budget would allow you a decent desktop screen for when working at home, which I really recommend. and also get your self a wacom tablet there more acurate then mouse's for editing.

Im not entirely sure everything were doing yet but yeah a few things that you mentioned so far ive heard of so,
And yeah i no good quality screen is needed, more then likely why they use macs :P
yeah i like that msi laptop but seems bit out of my budget :L what i was looking was MSI aswell but this one http://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-msi-ge60-2pe-428uk-intel-core-i7-4710hq-12gb-1000gb-hdd-2gb-nvidia-geforce-gtx-860m-dvdrw-window
and i was going to buy a SSD and put it in my self just for this what would your opinion be on a SSD for it, I have a samsung 840 in my desktop :L
And yeah ill eventually get a tablet but wanna get this out of the way for now

I just found this and really like it and its right at my budget seems to have a good cooling better then most iv'e seen correct me if i'm wrong and i can just go ahead and buy another samsung 840 evo to throw into it.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/173-asus-g750jm-t4099h-25ghz-intel-core-i7-4710hq-12gb-750gb-hdd-2gb-nvidia-geforce-gtx-860m-dvdrw-w