Sprayer courses

speedtheplough

ho boys, anybody outthere with any info on sprayer courses, companies doin them/cost/duration of course, thanks

Kovu

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.Kovu.

Farrell

Did anyone register their spraying equipment?

Greengrass1

I signed up on the agfood site. Said I had course. We'll see what happens

simx

Farrell wrote: »

Did anyone register their spraying equipment?

Where do ya do that?

amacca

How can they stop you just using your sprayer as you've always done?

How many more days/hours of my time listening to someone who probably knows less than me about the ****ing job is this going to take away from my life?

How many of my precious ever diminishing euros is this fresh round of horse**** going to remove from my lonely wallet?

(jobs for the boys/EU one size fits all nonsense?)

Be gentle.

GRASSorMUCK

amacca wrote: »

How can they stop you just using your sprayer as you've always done?

How many more days/hours of my time listening to someone who probably knows less than me about the ****ing job is this going to take away from my life?

How many of my precious ever diminishing euros is this fresh round of horse**** going to remove from my lonely wallet?

(jobs for the boys/EU one size fits all nonsense?)

Be gentle.

Over here before you start you have to have an anual test on sprayer, 3 courses and be signed up to Noroso which entails gather x no' of points over 24months can be simple as going to chem open evenings/demo's or a bi-anual course).
Our main sprayer man has done a lot of work and even he would admit to learning something new about nozzles/ drift control etc..
Be thankful with how little you have!
Fines are very prohibitive

Greengrass1

What do we have to do?

grange mac

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What do we have to do?

Hide our sprayers!!!

amacca

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Over here before you start you have to have an anual test on sprayer, 3 courses and be signed up to Noroso which entails gather x no' of points over 24months can be simple as going to chem open evenings/demo's or a bi-anual course).
Our main sprayer man has done a lot of work and even he would admit to learning something new about nozzles/ drift control etc..
Be thankful with how little you have!
Fines are very prohibitive

wheres here? (sorry if thats a stupid question)

amacca

grange mac wrote: »

Hide our sprayers!!!

only take them out during a full moon!

GRASSorMUCK

amacca wrote: »

wheres here? (sorry if thats a stupid question)

Not stupid at all my bad should have said, uk(for abit atleast!) -England Cambridgeshire. The uk civil service has a habit of implementing any hint of an Eu directive to the max while most other countries still have people from the Ag industry originally running the asylum and give some le-way...
For a an arable farm atleast every single acre you spray has to be recorded what with/weather conditions/time bloody beurocacy gone mad. But if you get inspected and don't have your self covered lose your Crop assurance cert(be like bird bia assured animals?) which makes your grain worthless really, like the chaff out of a cleaner to a merchant as can't export or send to mills

amacca

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Not stupid at all my bad should have said, uk(for abit atleast!) -England Cambridgeshire. The uk civil service has a habit of implementing any hint of an Eu directive to the max while most other countries still have people from the Ag industry originally running the asylum and give some le-way...
For a an arable farm atleast every single acre you spray has to be recorded what with/weather conditions/time bloody beurocacy gone mad. But if you get inspected and don't have your self covered lose your Crop assurance cert(be like bird bia assured animals?) which makes your grain worthless really, like the chaff out of a cleaner to a merchant as can't export or send to mills

the longer i live the more I'm inclined to tell the system to fcuk off….keep your money…I'm sick of the ever increasing number of strings attached

everones a slave now….

monkeynuz

In the uk it has been illegal for years to use any herb/pesticide commercially without appropriate training, also you can't buy commercial/ag chemicals without a ticket.

I don't know why people are confused/surprised about this, I have known this was coming since at least 2011 and that's only because I didn't bother checking before that, I remember phoning a couple of official bodies and them not knowing what I was on about!

Farmer

So it's the same rules for spraying a few acres of rushes or ragworth with a chemical that seems to have been safe for decades, as spraying a dangerous pesticide on a crop that may be consumed directly by humans?

monkeynuz

Yes, even if you are a professional gardener like me and spray a driveway with a knapsack sprayer you have to have training.

Farmer

monkeynuz wrote: »

Yes, even if you are a professional gardener like me and spray a driveway with a knapsack sprayer you have to have training.

OK, some training is always good but the problem with this kind of mandatory stuff is that it rapidly grows into a money making racket that puts the small man out of business. I can see the point with crops but not with weeds.


Ticking all the boxes, testing the sprayer, putting me off spraying so that I have to hire a contractor, etc. does not prevent me from letting the cattle in early on sprayed ground (not that I would) and exposing them to some allegedly dangerous chemical.


If there are concerns about spray, drift, public health, food contamination etc. then surely an education campaign should be the first stop. This is like banning the Asulox for bracken control because it was dangerous to use on sugar cane!

nhg

Should we be buying in a good stock of sprays before it's implemented in case we have to have a cert to buy sprays?

Reggie.

monkeynuz wrote: »

In the uk it has been illegal for years to use any herb/pesticide commercially without appropriate training, also you can't buy commercial/ag chemicals without a ticket!

How long before we have to do that here

monkeynuz

If I understand correctly, in ireland they are merely making it illegal to use them without Certs, I think you'll still be able to purchase them though which is a bit daft really. Also if you so something stupid with them and don't have a cert then you'll be in big trouble I suppose. I for one will be getting a cert even though spraying for customers annually won't cover the costs.

Dawggone

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Over here before you start you have to have an anual test on sprayer, 3 courses and be signed up to Noroso which entails gather x no' of points over 24months can be simple as going to chem open evenings/demo's or a bi-anual course).
Our main sprayer man has done a lot of work and even he would admit to learning something new about nozzles/ drift control etc..
Be thankful with how little you have!
Fines are very prohibitive

Just to add to that ; here you have to do all of the above.....Plus - the company boss has to do three days per year to get a certificate to be able to BUY Chems.

Along with that the highest level of certification for company bosses only allows the transportation of 50kg of product. Even having a haz-chem artic permit doesn't matter. 50kg is the max.

I can't even buy one litre of round-up without having all up to date courses done.
If you fail the exam for the permit to buy Chems you have to keep repeating until you pass.
€10k fine for transporting more than 50kg of Chems.

micraX

Reggie. wrote: »

How long before we have to do that here

Next year
You'll need an I'd card to purchase pesticides.

Reggie.

micraX wrote: »

Next year
You'll need an I'd card to purchase pesticides.

Once ya dont for herbicides ill be ok

micraX

Reggie. wrote: »

Once ya dont for herbicides ill be ok

Pesticides is an umbrella term that includes herbicides.
It causeds confusion at the open day in kildalton

Reggie.

micraX wrote: »

Pesticides is an umbrella term that includes herbicides.
It causeds confusion at the open day in kildalton

I could see how

speedtheplough

has anyone done a course or know of anybody giving courses

Reggie.

speedtheplough wrote: »

has anyone done a course or know of anybody giving courses

Oh everyone and his mother will be offering courses shortly

GRASSorMUCK

Dawggone wrote: »

Just to add to that ; here you have to do all of the above.....Plus - the company boss has to do three days per year to get a certificate to be able to BUY Chems.

Along with that the highest level of certification for company bosses only allows the transportation of 50kg of product. Even having a haz-chem artic permit doesn't matter. 50kg is the max.

I can't even buy one litre of round-up without having all up to date courses done.
If you fail the exam for the permit to buy Chems you have to keep repeating until you pass.
€10k fine for transporting more than 50kg of Chems.

Do deliveries come in bunded trucks? or how!? Or is it ok because driver wears a hi-vis vest of power that prevents any and all acidents etc?

AntrimGlens

Up North here (and across the water) we've had a thing called 'Grandfather rights' which basically meant that anyone born before 31st Dec 1964 were allowed to puirchase and use PPP's (plant protection products) (pesticides to you and me) without a certificate of competence. this is being done away with in November next year and then everyone will be required to have a minimum of PA1 and PA2 certs. These are the basic training courses being offered since i was at college in uk 20 years ago and you need this to operate knapsack or self propelled sprayer. Ag colleges are doing a booming trade in putting their students through the courses at discounted prices, loads of lads up here offer the courses and also to mot the sprayers every year. They were telling me it was costing them £600 to get their calibration equipment checked every year and loads of other unnecessary costs, which was just money for old rope really.

Dawggone

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Do deliveries come in bunded trucks? or how!? Or is it ok because driver wears a hi-vis vest of power that prevents any and all acidents etc?

Some joke!!
I've a haz-chem level 3 that allows me to haul some pretty heavy stuff but I still can't (as a farmer) haul more than 50kg of harmless Chems.
Along with that I've a laminated card with personal picture that the truck driver has to scan before he unloads. Awkward at times to be on site when chem delivery comes.

Coming soon to all countries in the EU.

As an aside, back in the day I used to do international transport in the winter months when things were quiet, and the most hazardous chemical that I hauled was the Coke Cola concentrate.

GRASSorMUCK

Dawggone wrote: »

Some joke!!
I've a haz-chem level 3 that allows me to haul some pretty heavy stuff but I still can't (as a farmer) haul more than 50kg of harmless Chems.
Along with that I've a laminated card with personal picture that the truck driver has to scan before he unloads. Awkward at times to be on site when chem delivery comes.

Coming soon to all countries in the EU.

As an aside, back in the day I used to do international transport in the winter months when things were quiet, and the most hazardous chemical that I hauled was the Coke Cola concentrate.

So even just to drop a few can out to the sprayer is nearly impossible if lived by the book?!
Makes delveries impossible, would any staff be registered to take the delivery also or is that just tooo much hassel...
So WHAT IS COKE COLA MADE OF :pac::D;)

Reggie.

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

So even just to drop a few can out to the sprayer is nearly impossible if lived by the book?!
Makes delveries impossible, would any staff be registered to take the delivery also or is that just tooo much hassel...
So WHAT IS COKE COLA MADE OF :pac::D;)

Poison....

Dawggone

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

So even just to drop a few can out to the sprayer is nearly impossible if lived by the book?!
Makes delveries impossible, would any staff be registered to take the delivery also or is that just tooo much hassel...
So WHAT IS COKE COLA MADE OF :pac::D;)

Myself and OH are "qualified" to buy and receive deliveries.
It's not that easy to get the cert if you don't have a good in depth knowledge of chemicals.
We simply ignore the regs once the Chems are on farm. You couldn't manage otherwise.

Coke cola is a secret, isn't it ??
I know they stopped putting cocaine into it. Mores the pity!

GRASSorMUCK

Dawggone wrote: »

Myself and OH are "qualified" to buy and receive deliveries.
It's that easy to get the cert if you don't have a good in depth knowledge of chemicals.
We simply ignore the regs once the Chems are on farm. You couldn't manage otherwise.

Coke cola is a secret, isn't it ??
I know they stopped putting cocaine into it. Mores the pity!

Bit like now you really need Basis or in Ireland whats becoming Iasis... to run a cereal farm? Just the french are bit further down the line.

You never took a small look in the trailer no? Coke's meant to be a 'secret' recipe i thought

Farmer

Dawggone wrote: »

.....Coming soon to all countries in the EU. ....

We'll need to get Ming on board urgently...not about the regulations - we'll need the cannabis (properly sprayed of course)!

frazzledhome

That's the end of my relic of a sprayer left from the beet time.


Pity I liked spraying in the summer evenings. Will call contractor from whenever this is introduced. Not going to compromise my SFP for a few Docks and a bit if reseeding.

Maybe this s necessary but I'm afraid it'll become another job for the boys

Dawggone

Farmer wrote: »

We'll need to get Ming on board urgently...not about the regulations - we'll need the cannabis (properly sprayed of course)!

Jeez NO!!
They will be sticking their nose into hydroponics then.

Reggie.

frazzledhome wrote: »

That's the end of my relic of a sprayer left from the beet time.


Pity I liked spraying in the summer evenings. Will call contractor from whenever this is introduced. Not going to compromise my SFP for a few Docks and a bit if reseeding.

Maybe this s necessary but I'm afraid it'll become another job for the boys

As you said one less enjoyable task taken from you

frazzledhome

Reggie. wrote: »

As you said one less enjoyable task taken from you

Reg, I'll survive prob won't do as much spraying