Our Teachers Lied To Us

IvaBigWun

"i before e except after c"

Nonsense!

See:

beige, deify, feisty, foreign, forfeit, freight, heifer, height, neighbour, neither, peignoir, sovereign, weight, weird

among others


So what other school "rules" turned out to be myths?

GerB40

IvaBigWun wrote: »

"i before e except after c"

Nonsense!

:pac:


See:


beige, conscience, deify, feisty, foreign, forfeit, freight, heifer, height, neighbour, neither, peignoir, science, society, sovereign,weight, weird

among others



So what other school "rules" turned out to be myths?

I see you watch QI..

JustAddWater

GerB40 wrote: »

I see you watch QI..

I C what you did there

Un Croissant

That there was nothing wrong with Fr O Brian touching my weenie.

Morpork

GerB40 wrote: »

I see you watch QI..

Was going to post the video when I read the OP! Damn you.

GerB40

JustAddWater wrote: »

I C what you did there

I don't???

Turtyturd

Religion isn't as important as they tried to make it seem.

IvaBigWun

GerB40 wrote: »

I see you watch QI..

I dont actually.

Should I?

Daveysil15

A slap across the knuckles with a ruler would teach discipline.

IvaBigWun

That the Junior Cert was important.

Actually, the same thing could be argued for the Leaving Cert.

Morpork

IvaBigWun wrote: »

I dont actually.

Should I?

Yes you should.

Omackeral

IvaBigWun wrote: »

"i before e except after c"

Nonsense!

See:

beige, conscience, deify, feisty, foreign, forfeit, freight, heifer, height, neighbour, neither, peignoir, science, society, sovereign,weight, weird

among others


So what other school "rules" turned out to be myths?

Are you trying to argue with yourself?


Also, Leitrim

UCDVet

The rule:

i before e,
Except after c,
Or when sounded as "a,"
As in neighbour and weigh.

hatrickpatrick

Weiner

Insect Overlord

Omackeral wrote: »

Are you trying to argue with yourself?

The "ie" combinations he posted in those words come "after C", so they prove his point.

Mariasofia

IvaBigWun wrote: »

"i before e except after c"

Nonsense!

See:

beige, conscience, deify, feisty, foreign, forfeit, freight, heifer, height, neighbour, neither, peignoir, science, society, sovereign,weight, weird

among others


So what other school "rules" turned out to be myths?

If you had listened to the end of the lesson she/he would have added "but there are exceptions to every rule!"

IvaBigWun

Omackeral wrote: »

Are you trying to argue with yourself?

Eh?


/whistles innocently

groucho marx

My painful childhood memories of spelling lessons have all been brought back to the surface. Thanks for picking at that scab op. Im off to make a tamberine from sugar and a cereal box to take the edge off.

IvaBigWun

Found this, think it was the full rhyme

"i" before "e", except after "c",
Unless you seize the weird sovereignty
Of your neighbour's feisty kaleidoscope,
According to the pope.

myshirt

The teachers I had lied to themselves. Not me.

Never, ever worth the money they were paid, with too many holidays.

Never would you see anyone to look themselves in the mirror with such an undeserved sense of accomplishment.

Lies, lies, lies.

Omackeral

An File wrote: »

The "ie" combinations he posted in those words come "after C", so they prove his point.

Oh. Well that's what I get for trying to be a smartarse on the internet.

tayto lover

IvaBigWun wrote: »

"i before e except after c"

Nonsense!

See:

beige, deify, feisty, foreign, forfeit, freight, heifer, height, neighbour, neither, peignoir, science, society, sovereign, weight, weird

among others


So what other school "rules" turned out to be myths?

Why are these in your list?

IvaBigWun

tayto lover wrote: »

Why are these in your list?

Erm.




Im playing ninja mind tricks?

catallus

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/i-before-e-except-after-c

OP, can you remember your teacher telling you to stop eating your crayons?

I can. But they were too tasty. MMmmmm, crayons

MistyCheese

tayto lover wrote: »

Why are these in your list?

They feature an 'i' and an 'e' directly following a 'c'. Whereas apparently an 'i' and 'e' combination, generally perfectly acceptable, should be an exception after a 'c'.

IvaBigWun

catallus wrote: »

OP, can you remember your teacher telling you to stop eating your crayons?

I can. But they were too tasty. MMmmmm, crayons

I think Mala was more to my tastebuds liking back then

The Diabolical Monocle

Ha! A fvck you to my old English teacher who once ranted at me with that rule.

catallus

If I had to teach kids English grammar I'd probably be a very angry person too.

holystungun9

Omackeral wrote: »

Are you trying to argue with yourself?


Also, Leitrim

Spelling is the least of Leitrim's problems.

Actually, it probably does play a part to be fair.

Frynge

Pluto.


I'm still annoyed at that.

The One Doctor

A teachers' job is to lie, or at best to misinform or leave out the interesting bits.

SpaceTime

They tried to claim that English spelling is logical and regular!

Sadly, it's a system absolutely full of oddball spellings that are more about convention than logic and it's actually an extremely non phonetic language. The pronunciations only vaguely match the spellings.

catallus

All language is convention!

SpaceTime

catallus wrote: »

All language is convention!

Yeah but some conventions like Spanish spelling actually make sense!

English spelling is largely, completely bonkers.

catallus

SpaceTime wrote: »

Yeah but some conventions like Spanish spelling actually make sense!

English spelling is largely, completely bonkers.

Spanish!? You're using Spanish as an example of making sense?!

This angers me

They use Q's for K's and make funny shapes under their C's :eek:

Oranage2

Caol le caol - leathan le leathan

SpaceTime

catallus wrote: »

Spanish!? You're using Spanish as an example of making sense?!

This angers me

They use Q's for K's and make funny shapes under their C's :eek:

Almost perfectly phonetic. Just learn a few pronunciation rules and you can read Spanish scripts and sound like you know what you're taking about.

With English that's impossible as you'll keep encountering totally irregular spelling.

Mickey H

Frynge wrote: »

Pluto.


I'm still annoyed at that.

More proof that school is getting easier. 8 planets. WTF?? In my day, there were 9. :mad:

GerB40

Frynge wrote: »

Pluto.


I'm still annoyed at that.

I lost €50 because of that fúckin exoplanet (or whatever it calls itself these days) so yeah, I'm still pretty pissed off about it too..

GerB40

Mickey H wrote: »

More proof that school is getting easier. 8 planets. WTF?? In my day, there were 9. :mad:

On the flip side, there's more senses these days. There used to be 5, now there's between 9 and 21...

stunmer

Thats school is the best time of your life

tayto lover

English is a crazy language -

www.google.ie/search?q=let%27s+face+it+english+is+a+crazy+language&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&e

Capt'n Midnight

Frynge wrote: »

Pluto.


I'm still annoyed at that.

Yeah, between 1984 and 1999 it was closer to the sun than Neptune :mad:

smash

A large portion of the stuff taught in school is a load of crap. Why should my knowledge of McBeth or Romeo and Juliet dictate an exam result that will affect me for the rest of my life? Because I'm literally never going to need to know about it!

Frynge

smash wrote: »

A large portion of the stuff taught in school is a load of crap. Why should my knowledge of McBeth or Romeo and Juliet dictate an exam result that will affect my for the rest of my life? Because I'm literally never going to need to know about it!

Yeah, according to the irish government I don't speak English.

Daveysil15

Back in my day teachers used to bait the shyte out of us.

catallus

And God be with the days.

Fat Christy

Omackeral wrote: »

Also, Leitrim

Where?

freedominacup

Mariasofia wrote: »

If you had listened to the end of the lesson she/he would have added "but there are exceptions to every rule!"

Which is why Leitrim was referenced. It's the exception to everything.

PopePalpatine

GerB40 wrote: »

I lost €50 because of that fúckin exoplanet (or whatever it calls itself these days) so yeah, I'm still pretty pissed off about it too..

The correct term is "dwarf planet".

Reindeer

tayto lover wrote: »

English is a crazy language -

www.google.ie/search?q=let%27s+face+it+english+is+a+crazy+language&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&e

Crazier than you think:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_language_influences_in_English

English is fairly unique in Europe in that it is strongly hybridized with very heavy influences from both Germanic/Old English and Latin/Romanic languages as well as having been ridden hard and put away wet by modern French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_language_influences_in_English#mediaviewer/File:Origins_of_English_PieChart.svg

Because of this, it is difficult, if not impossible, to pin modern English down with any hard and fast rules like one can do with a vastly Germanic or Latin language.

So, basically, if you can speak both Irish and English well, you've mastered two rather difficult languages. Kudos(that's Greek, so probably the same in Irish as well...)