City West to Bushy Park or KCR

km991148

Hey Folks - l have an interview coming up in City West but looking at it I may need to skip it due to not haveing a car at the moment.

Can anyone suggests any non crazy commutes from either of the above places?

On the face of it it looks as if there are a few public buses and the mortons one - but none seem to be regular enough for my needs.. am I missing a trick?

Cheers,
km

Losty Dublin

km991148 wrote: »

Hey Folks - l have an interview coming up in City West but looking atit I may need to skip it due to not haveing a car at the moment.

Can anyone suggests any non crazy commutes from either of the above places?

On the face of it it looks as if there are a few public buses and the mortons one - but none seem to be regular enough for my needs.. am I missing a trick?

Cheers,
km

Two options here which are reasonable enough timetable wise.

Take the 77A to the Square and the 49, 54A or 65/B to Bushy Park. The 54A passes the KCR itself while the 49 and 65/B leave you at Templeogue Road.

Take the 77A to Walkinstown Roundabout and a 9 to KCR.

Whatever option you go for, the KCR is a good 10-15 minute walk from Templeogue Road. There are short cuts but unless you are local you might get lost taking them

Victor

Put your exact locations and relevant dates and times into www.a-b.ie and tweak the settings. Make sure you have selected "take neighbouring stops into account for origin and destination maximum 20 min walk".

As there are a number of options, the quickest route may vary from minute to minute during the day.

Note the severe traffic congestion typical of Terenure, so make sure you are off the bus well before then.

km991148

Thanks all - I tried a couple of these so far in the past - cant get them below 1.5 hrs if starting at 9.. (especially now the schools are back)..

Half thinking of walking it - could prob get it under 90 minutes..!

What would be a safe route enough route?

For example - either of these to the luas?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/53.3070831,-6.3011307/53.2994115,-6.3744263/@53.302914,-6.3396727,15z/data=!4m4!4m3!1m0!1m0!3e2

Losty Dublin

km991148 wrote: »

Thanks all - I tried a couple of these so far in the past - cant get them below 1.5 hrs if starting at 9.. (especially now the schools are back)..

Half thinking of walking it - could prob get it under 90 minutes..!

What would be a safe route enough route?

For example - either of these to the luas?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/53.3070831,-6.3011307/53.2994115,-6.3744263/@53.302914,-6.3396727,15z/data=!4m4!4m3!1m0!1m0!3e2

You could walk it in 90 minutes; the thing is if you are prepared to walk 90 minutes in the wet and cold on a regular basis. Some of that walk goes through a park and some off street paths; they won't be be the most enchanting place on a dark day.

I'd be surprised if the bus takes that long all told these days; Network Direct has improved operational times over the last 4 years. If you are starting your walk from Belgard I'd nearly walk or Luas it to the Square and get a bus from there or even a 9 or 15A from Tymon Park if only to shorten the walk down.

SteM

Consider cycling it? I do Citywest to the City Centre passing Bushy Park and it's not a bad cycle at all. You'll certainly do it in less that 90 minutes. Would be about 10km?

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If cycling isn't an option, I'd recommend going from Bushy park. There you have the odd 65B/Morton's, as well as the 49 & 65 to connect to the 77a (49 via short walk to Killinarden or direct change at the Square, 65 change anywhere between Tallaght and Citywest Road, you can even walk downhill from Citywest Road junction into citywest in 15 mins max)

L1011

Losty Dublin wrote: »

I'd be surprised if the bus takes that long all told these days; Network Direct has improved operational times over the last 4 years.

Network Direct decimated access to City West as far as I could tell - multiple staff in my previous employer started driving when the changes came in, having been bus passengers since the move to City West.

LXFlyer

Is Morton's service not an option for you for a 9am start?

http://www.citywestcampus.com/getting_there/BusTimetable2013.pdf

km991148

hey - op here (but not the op!) - my account was logged in when this was posted..

I would cycle it - the actual op wouldn't be happy cycling that distance tho (and not with those roads), therefore public transport it it.

The mortons service is no use as due to traffic it gets in about 20-30 mins after the scheduled time.

The 65b would be handy enough - but ye - the 65b seems to be a rare service these days - and lots of traffic pinch points.

Thanks all - looks like it will be a combo of various buses and ruling ones out until the best route can be found.

Victor

Hopefully this works. http://journeyplanner.transportforireland.ie/nta/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en&sessionID=0&imageFormat=PNG%7CPDF&imageOnly=1&imageWidth=330&imageWidth2=330&imageHeight=200&imageHeight2=200&imageHeightO=550&imageWidthO=630&ntaPublicMacro=true&name_origin=streetID:1097::57102020:1000000010:Greenlea Road:Terenure:Greenlea Road::Greenlea Road::ANY:DIVA_STREET:713596:269965:ITMR:irl&type_origin=any&name_destination=51015387&type_destination=any&itdTimeHour=9&itdTimeMinute=0&itdDateDayMonthYear=11.09.2014&itdTripDateTimeDepArr=arr&inclMOT_0=on&inclMOT_4=on&inclMOT_5=on&inclMOT_6=on&inclMOT_9=on&useProxFootSearch=on&trITMOTvalue100=20&changeSpeed=normal&routeType=LEASTTIME&includedMeans=checkbox

I'm seeing journey times of 45-75 minutes when arriving for 9am. Do you have the "Fastest routes" option selected?

Losty Dublin

MYOB wrote: »

Network Direct decimated access to City West as far as I could tell - multiple staff in my previous employer started driving when the changes came in, having been bus passengers since the move to City West.

Decimated? It has the 77A and 65B giving it a minimum of 4 buses an hour daytime; there are more at peak hours. While it has to serve Jobstown en route it has a more departures than that pre ND and this with the Luas line serving it since 2011.

Victor

MYOB wrote: »

Network Direct decimated access to City West

Not so much Network Direct, as the introduction of Luas.

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Decimated? It has the 77A and 65B giving it a minimum of 4 buses an hour daytime; there are more at peak hours. While it has to serve Jobstown en route it has a more departures than that pre ND and this with the Luas line serving it since 2011.

But it lost the 49 and the 54a, didn't it? Re-routing the 65b and re-timetabling the 65 and 65b has affected the core Tallaght-Citywest service.

SteM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Decimated? It has the 77A and 65B giving it a minimum of 4 buses an hour daytime; there are more at peak hours. While it has to serve Jobstown en route it has a more departures than that pre ND and this with the Luas line serving it since 2011.

Neither of these routes are in any way direct to Citywest.

Ever take a 65b to Citywest in rush hour? Having to go around by the Old Mill is soul destroying, it's so slow. The 77a is routed around half of south county Dublin and again is no way direct.

The luas is fine if you live near the line. If you don't then it's useless to pretty useless to you.

Losty Dublin

Victor wrote: »

But it lost the 49 and the 54a, didn't it? Re-routing the 65b and re-timetabling the 65 and 65b has affected the core Tallaght-Citywest service.

Not to my knowledge, they didn't. The 49 had the Square as it's terminus and the 54A was extended to Kiltipper a few years ago. Neither served Citywest that I know of though I remain open to correction on this. The 50 served Citywest from the late 90's as has the 65B; the 50 has since been cancelled and partially amalgamated into the current 77A.

Losty Dublin

SteM wrote: »

Neither of these routes are in any way direct to Citywest.

Ever take a 65b to Citywest in rush hour? Having to go around by the Old Mill is soul destroying, it's so slow. The 77a is routed around half of south county Dublin and again is no way direct.

The luas is fine if you live near the line. If you don't then it's useless to pretty useless to you.

To be fair, I did mention that they are routed around Jobstown. Certainly, a corridor type route from Citywest towards central Tallaght sounds like a massive benefit. However, Dualway struggled to make the route work so I can't see anybody else take it on anytime soon.

L1011

Victor wrote: »

Not so much Network Direct, as the introduction of Luas.

The bus services remained for a time after the Luas started - and they cut routes which did not even vaguely coincide with the Luas's catchment area.

SteM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

To be fair, I did mention that they are routed around Jobstown. Certainly, a corridor type route from Citywest towards central Tallaght sounds like a massive benefit. However, Dualway struggled to make the route work so I can't see anybody else take it on anytime soon.

I understand what you said. My feeling is that if a route is not direct then people won't use it. My son goes to crèche in Citywest and myself and my wife both work in the city centre. We should be ideal Dublin Bus customers but neither of us would go near the 77a or 65b routes. I cycle into town 4 days a week and beat both busses easily.

LXFlyer

MYOB wrote: »

The bus services remained for a time after the Luas started - and they cut routes which did not even vaguely coincide with the Luas's catchment area.

Indeed the changes did take some time to come into effect after the LUAS extension, but that is more a reflection of the length of time Dublin Bus took to implement the network changes.


The introduction of LUAS was certainly part of the rationale for the changes in that area, but frankly the main reasons behind the Network Direct changes in general were:
1) the dramatic cut in customer numbers which resulted in a large amount of overcapacity,
2) unnecessary duplication of services, and
3) routes which should have been cancelled long before but had been retained for political reasons.


The Citywest changes saw the 50 cancelled and merged with the 77a, and the 65b re-routed and frequency cut back. The 77a does have a higher frequency but takes a longer route than the 50, but most of the catchment area for the 50 would have been within walking distance of the LUAS, which does make that decision a sensible one.

Ultimately cost also played a role - what could the company continue to afford to operate, whilst still providing a service to all of the markets.

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At this stage I think the 65B should be pulled from the Killinarden hill - route it (e.g. from CW) up the N81, then turn right into Killinarden further up where the 54a/77a turn off the N81 outbound. Straight from there onto its normal route. Since it doesn't serve the Square anymore it doesn't pick up many passengers in the Estate. The 77a would remain for access to the Square & Citywest from Killinarden.

Would need bus lanes up to the junction with the N81 though.
Bus lanes through the junction at the Old Mill would be beneficial also, plenty of space to work with there.