Cycling Leinster AGM details

wav1

Cycling Leinster AGM will be held on Wed Oct 1st at 8.00pm in the West County Hotel Chapelizod Dublin.Would love to see as many clubs as possible represented.Motions,enquiries etc to shelllawless@googlemail.com.
She will also be able to fill ye in on what positions are up for renewal this year.

wav1

Bump/Reminder Next Wed night 1st @8pm
Under the 2 yr system there are a number of positions which will be available for election
1 Treasurer
2 Senior Road Rep/Selector
3 Youth reps x 2
4 Leisure rep
5 Off road rep
I think that's all of them

Beasty

How many normally turn up wav1? (please tell me it's more than 5!!)

wav1

Beasty wrote: »

How many normally turn up wav1? (please tell me it's more than 5!!)

Now if its 2012 figures or 2013 you want?
2012 Committee plus 2 x clubs represented
2013 Pleasant Surprise about 15 clubs represented.Committee is about 10,so about 35 present last year.

Beasty

... just I have this fear of turning up and finding myself "volunteered" for something (got a pretty good excuse this year mind)!! One of our committee has indicated he'll turn up anyway, so hopefully I won't be needed ....

wav1

Beasty wrote: »

... just I have this fear of turning up and finding myself "volunteered" for something (got a pretty good excuse this year mind)!! One of our committee has indicated he'll turn up anyway, so hopefully I won't be needed ....

No.Never the case TBH.Think most of the incumbents [whether good or bad]are willing to stand again if needed AFAIK.

Inquitus

Would be nice if increased race fees across the board this season had guaranteed at least a hot drink and a biscuit at the finish of some of the promotions.

Beasty

Inquitus wrote: »

Would be nice if increased race fees across the board this season had guaranteed at least a hot drink and a biscuit at the finish of some of the promotions.

I vote that such perks should be reserved for A2 and above - make them an incentive to get the points required for promotion....:P

wav1

Inquitus wrote: »

Would be nice if increased race fees across the board this season had guaranteed at least a hot drink and a biscuit at the finish of some of the promotions.

This type of hospitality [or not] is totally at the discretion of a race promoter,and is nothing to do with any provincial committee or indeed Cycling Ireland themselves for that matter.To be honest and fair I think there was a cuppa at most weekend promotions on the road this year.Maybe not night events but certainly weekends.Rise in sign on fee went ahead this year as the rise in fixed costs such as medical cover,venue hire,fuel costs,etc had all gone up.Still need a good field to break even.The figure that promoted road events last year was about 17% of clubs which means 83% didn't so I think we should all be grateful to them without putting extra pressure on re catering.Yes its lovely to get a cup,and in fairness most do supply it.

ragazzo

wav1 wrote: »

This type of hospitality [or not] is totally at the discretion of a race promoter,and is nothing to do with any provincial committee or indeed Cycling Ireland themselves for that matter.To be honest and fair I think there was a cuppa at most weekend promotions on the road this year.Maybe not night events but certainly weekends.Rise in sign on fee went ahead this year as the rise in fixed costs such as medical cover,venue hire,fuel costs,etc had all gone up.Still need a good field to break even.The figure that promoted road events last year was about 17% of clubs which means 83% didn't so I think we should all be grateful to them without putting extra pressure on re catering.Yes its lovely to get a cup,and in fairness most do supply it.

Excellent points wav1. It is years since I rode a weekend Leinster race where post race refreshments were not supplied by the organisers.
I think that most organisers break even at best in race promotions with many raiding club funds to support the venture.

Thanks to the 17% of clubs who promoted events for our entertainment. I salute you!
Hopefully some of the 83% will rise to the occasion in future years. It is only when you get involved that you realise the enormity of such a thankless task.

Beasty

ragazzo wrote: »

Hopefully some of the 83% will rise to the occasion in future years. It is only when you get involved that you realise the enormity of such a thankless task.

Some of those 83% do other things for your entertainment, be it other disciplines or sportives. In addition to a leisure tour my club put on 3 open CX races last year. I think it's about time some people started appreciating better cycling is not all about road racing. I acknowledge there are some clubs out there that could put stuff on but choose not to, and I would encourage more to do so, and help spread the load a bit more. However there has ben an upsurge in road racing in recent years and in my view the last thing we should actually be doing is pushing for loads more road races in Leinster. Fill some of the gaps in the calendar perhaps, but there are actually not that many weekends available to put more events on (even if some weekends may not have racing from Friday evening until Sunday afternoon)

wav1

Beasty wrote: »

Some of those 83% do other things for your entertainment, be it other disciplines or sportives. In addition to a leisure tour my club put on 3 open CX races last year. I think it's about time some people started appreciating better cycling is not all about road racing. I acknowledge there are some clubs out there that could put stuff on but choose not to, and I would encourage more to do so, and help spread the load a bit more. However there has ben an upsurge in road racing in recent years and in my view the last thing we should actually be doing is pushing for loads more road races in Leinster. Fill some of the gaps in the calendar perhaps, but there are actually not that many weekends available to put more events on (even if some weekends may not have racing from Friday evening until Sunday afternoon)

Agreed lots of clubs run different disciplines,sportives,etc...Huge surge in cyclo cross over the past while and bmx is back also...Sportives are huge and maybe too huge in some cases...

CramCycle

I will be there, good turn out last year with some good discussion, hopefully we will see more again this year.

Beasty

Can't see any guarantee of coffee and biscuits yet, so I'm wavering ....:pac:

wav1

Beasty wrote: »

Can't see any guarantee of coffee and biscuits yet, so I'm wavering ....:pac:

Tea,Coffee,Bourbon creams.Digestives et all.Thats if we have enough money to pay for them,buts that's an entirely different thing[You'll have to come on the night to find out more re that one]

Beasty

Bourbons and digestives - a dunkers paradise - think you may be swinging me round there wav1 ....

morana

...and lets not forget the Ravens who promote and have done for years a Track event the Duane Delaney Memorial!!!!!!

and we are probably the smallest club in Leinster!

Beasty

Well if I recall correctly there was at least one club last year that was a bit smaller - so small it was ineligible to send a delegate to the EGM;)

ragazzo

Beasty wrote: »

Some of those 83% do other things for your entertainment, be it other disciplines or sportives. In addition to a leisure tour my club put on 3 open CX races last year. I think it's about time some people started appreciating better cycling is not all about road racing. I acknowledge there are some clubs out there that could put stuff on but choose not to, and I would encourage more to do so, and help spread the load a bit more. However there has ben an upsurge in road racing in recent years and in my view the last thing we should actually be doing is pushing for loads more road races in Leinster. Fill some of the gaps in the calendar perhaps, but there are actually not that many weekends available to put more events on (even if some weekends may not have racing from Friday evening until Sunday afternoon)

Agreed completely. Some excellent events being promoted by clubs and it is not all about road racing.
Different people have different interests and one cannot usually ride cyclocross between March-September, although there was one event in August this year.
Sportive type events are ten a penny now with every organisation using them as a fundraising vehicle.
Plenty of gaps in the road race calendar in Leinster for a few well organised races. New organisers might even give Wav1 and Navan a break.

Lusk_Doyle

Beasty wrote: »

Well if I recall correctly there was at least one club last year that was a bit smaller - so small it was ineligible to send a delegate to the EGM;)

Now, now play nice!

Do suggestions / requests have to come via the club secretary or can an individual submit?

CramCycle

Coffee was excellent last year.

CramCycle

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Do suggestions / requests have to come via the club secretary or can an individual submit?

Ones submitted in time will definitely get discussed as they will have a slot, ones not submitted I think are attempted to be discussed in AOB but there is no guarantee due to time and other constraints AFAIK. Best have it in before as it gives people time to think about the statement and not waste time on the night.

Wav1 can correct me here if I am wrong

Beasty

ragazzo wrote: »

Plenty of gaps in the road race calendar in Leinster for a few well organised races.

May be gaps in the calendar but not necessarily on the road. In Fingal for example I believe they will not be allowing any racing next year except on fully closed roads (except for the likes of the Ras which are done with the Gardaí controlling traffic)

Lusk_Doyle

CramCycle wrote: »

Ones submitted in time will definitely get discussed as they will have a slot, ones not submitted I think are attempted to be discussed in AOB but there is no guarantee due to time and other constraints AFAIK. Best have it in before as it gives people time to think about the statement and not waste time on the night.

Wav1 can correct me here if I am wrong

Thanks but that doesn't answer my question! Can I as an individual submit or must it comes via the club?

Chips Lovell

I think there's real scope for plenty more road races in Leinster, both to address gaps on the calendar and take the pressure off clubs and race organisers who are doing more than their fair share.

Especially in the second half of the season, there's some weeks where there's no weekend race in the province.

CramCycle

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Thanks but that doesn't answer my question! Can I as an individual submit or must it comes via the club?

Before hand through the club i.e. submit it to your secretary, and they will either forward it on or discuss wether to forward it on, depends on the club I suppose.

On the night I just think you have to be a member of cycling ireland and affiliated to cycling leinster but like i said there might not be time to facilitate it if its in AOB as discussions that come up through other items would presumably get first preference.

wav1

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Thanks but that doesn't answer my question! Can I as an individual submit or must it comes via the club?

Via the club lusk doyle.ie must be a motion on behalf of a club and proposed seconded etc by club delegates.Each registered club is entitled to 2 x actual delegates but any licence holder can attend.TBH theres not a lot a province can actually decide/vote on as the regulations are CI regulations.Last yr it was decided to raise sign on fee.and charge deposit for race radios but very little in the powers really.
One thing that has been a success at all kind of events has been the safety car which has been utilised really great this yr.Its just a little way of helping out.Also the Leinster Race radios x 20 plus safety beacons are available to all clubs in the province for use at their activities/All just small ways of helping and cutting costs.

MichealD

Wav1 - I know its a "how long is a piece of string?" question but what time does it normally finish up at?

Lusk_Doyle

Congrats in advance on your 1,000th post Wav1!

In case my suggestion doesn't make it through the necessary channels in time, and if there is time at the AGM, which I will not be at as I will be away, can someone ask in the AOB about changing the rule whereby clubs are not permitted to run their own internal league events on weekends?

wav1

MichealD wrote: »

Wav1 - I know its a "how long is a piece of string?" question but what time does it normally finish up at?

I'd say 10ish

wav1

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Congrats in advance on your 1,000th post Wav1!

In case my suggestion doesn't make it through the necessary channels in time, and if there is time at the AGM, which I will not be at as I will be away, can someone ask in the AOB about changing the rule whereby clubs are not permitted to run their own internal league events on weekends?

Again AFAIK that would be a CI regulation and nothing to do with provinces.

Beasty

wav1 wrote: »

Again AFAIK that would be a CI regulation and nothing to do with provinces.

Would have thought it's Road Commission, if that still exists. You are not going to bind CI on something like this (as was the case with the proposal last year to have multiple age categories for vets championships), although you could at least have some discussion at the AGM

My own view on the specific point though is that weekend club races should be permitted in February and March if only to reduce the numbers starting off in Open races (midweek club races are pretty much impossible during those 2 months because of the lack of evening light)

wav1

Beasty wrote: »

Would have thought it's Road Commission, if that still exists. You are not going to bind CI on something like this (as was the case with the proposal last year to have multiple age categories for vets championships), although you could at least have some discussion at the AGM

My own view on the specific point though is that weekend club races should be permitted in February and March if only to reduce the numbers starting off in Open races (midweek club races are pretty much impossible during those 2 months because of the lack of evening light)

Would someone put this in an email to the address in OP and at least it could be discussed?Think road commission [like a few more] is really not in existence at present.

Lusk_Doyle

wav1 wrote: »

Would someone put this in an email to the address in OP and at least it could be discussed?Think road commission [like a few more] is really not in existence at present.

Done. I want to see change. Real change. Not Fine Gael change!

Beasty

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Done. I want to see change. Real change. Not Fine Gael change!

I'm going to speculate that my submission may be a little more tactful than yours - I will however leave it to wav1 to adjudicate ....:pac:

Lusk_Doyle

Beasty wrote: »

I'm going to speculate that my submission may be a little more tactful than yours - I will however leave it to wav1 to adjudicate ....:pac:

You shouldn't speculate. It doesn't suit you.

morana

the board made a decision not to allow league races at weekend s because iirc we felt it would detract from open racing at the weekends. that was then but possibly it should be allowed now seeing as the racing scene is healthy with big numbers

Lusk_Doyle

morana wrote: »

the board made a decision not to allow league races at weekend s because iirc we felt it would detract from open racing at the weekends. that was then but possibly it should be allowed now seeing as the racing scene is healthy with big numbers

So, why is open racing given priority over club racing?

rab!dmonkey

Could someone please clarify for me what it is that the provincial committees have responsibility for?

wav1

rab!dmonkey wrote: »

Could someone please clarify for me what it is that the provincial committees have responsibility for?

I cant give you a definitive answer but this is some of what happens.
Help in any way possible to develop riders especially youths
This yr we brought 3 teams to junior tour
Help with promotions.Make available radios car safety equipment etc
Select teams to represent province
Ensure provincial champs are promoted
Leisure rep to oversee/report on such events
Delegate Comms to the various events in province
Deal with disciplinary issues
Help financially with sectors of the sport where its felt and agreed its needed.
The list goes on TBH but just touched on some of the stuff.Just basically volunteers who have the sport at heart.

Hi Ho

wav1 wrote: »

I cant give you a definitive answer but this is some of what happens.
Help in any way possible to develop riders especially youths
This yr we brought 3 teams to junior tour
Help with promotions.Make available radios car safety equipment etc
Select teams to represent province
Ensure provincial champs are promoted
Leisure rep to oversee/report on such events
Delegate Comms to the various events in province
Deal with disciplinary issues
Help financially with sectors of the sport where its felt and agreed its needed.
The list goes on TBH but just touched on some of the stuff.Just basically volunteers who have the sport at heart.

For the Munster (Volunteer) Board, you could add the nurturing of an underage/Junior development squad over the last number of years - that's paying off big time.

Lusk_Doyle

Hi Ho wrote: »

For the Munster (Volunteer) Board, you could add the nurturing of an underage/Junior development squad over the last number of years - that's paying off big time.

That's not an addition to Wav's list. I can see the work he and his ilk put into the youths big time in Drogheda and Stamullen as clubs and Leinster as a region.

Hi Ho

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

That's not an addition to Wav's list. I can see the work he and his ilk put into the youths big time in Drogheda and Stamullen as clubs and Leinster as a region.

Ok - I can see that. I was just trying to re enforce the point that the provincial boards aren't idle.

Lusk_Doyle

Hi Ho wrote: »

Ok - I can see that. I was just trying to re enforce the point that the provincial boards aren't idle.

Ok. Cool. Love you.

wav1

Almost forgot what is one of my most time consuming roles which is kicking off about now.Thats putting the events calendar together.Each province has its own calender co ordinator and puts together its own firstly.Then the provincial events are put in to a national calendar.Provinces try and sort out conflicting dates/clashes etc as best as possible and then submit the final article to the office.
Bet ye all thought it was paid staff who did all that sh....y stuff,but no its volunteers.And no I cant make clubs promote stuff on dates that they don't want to,but would have to ''negotiate''from time to time.

wav1

Goodish turnout last night.About 20 clubs represented.
A lot of very good discussion on the night,including concerns and opinions raised here.Some of the submissions[outside of provincial control]have been forwarded to CI and college of commissaires on your/our behalf.Entry fees for R/R events to remain as is[capped at e15 for single day events].Good discussion re sportives and clashing with R/R on same days in same areas.
Long time spent on the financing of the provinces,and an ongoing problem re getting this submitted to provinces.Really too complex and ongoing to discuss here.Also delighted to have new BMX rep on committee for the first time in a long time.Thanks to all attendees.

CramCycle

Sorry I didn't make it, glad it went well

lennymc

Thanks for the update Wav1

MichealD

wav1 wrote: »

Goodish turnout last night.About 20 clubs represented.
A lot of very good discussion on the night,including concerns and opinions raised here.Some of the submissions[outside of provincial control]have been forwarded to CI and college of commissaires on your/our behalf.Entry fees for R/R events to remain as is[capped at e15 for single day events].Good discussion re sportives and clashing with R/R on same days in same areas.
Long time spent on the financing of the provinces,and an ongoing problem re getting this submitted to provinces.Really too complex and ongoing to discuss here.Also delighted to have new BMX rep on committee for the first time in a long time.Thanks to all attendees.

Well done to wav1 and the committee on their achievements this year and for staying in position for next year. The meeting covered a lot of ground and was kept moving along by chairman Jimmy Stagg. The CL work in supporting events and teams both financially and through their own personal imput should be applauded. For event organisers the free use of the safety car and race radios is a big plus. Hopefully the outstanding issues will be resolved soon.

Maybe for next year you'd have a few motorbike marshals at the road works to help us Wexford boys get there on time!

wav1

MichealD wrote: »

Well done to wav1 and the committee on their achievements this year and for staying in position for next year. The meeting covered a lot of ground and was kept moving along by chairman Jimmy Stagg. The CL work in supporting events and teams both financially and through their own personal imput should be applauded. For event organisers the free use of the safety car and race radios is a big plus. Hopefully the outstanding issues will be resolved soon.

Maybe for next year you'd have a few motorbike marshals at the road works to help us Wexford boys get there on time!

Thanks.Yes sorry re roadworks.Meeting had to be delayed as there was roadworks delaying a lot of people on the approach to the hotel after leaving M50.Great to see the sunny south east clubs represented last night.A big effort to get there on a midweek night.Look the set up is not perfect by any means but anybody that's in there really does give it their best shot[sometimes in difficult circumstances as discussed].And yes its important that the issues are sorted asap to help everyone going forward.