Selling on paypal

tendjose

I have an item to sell by 600€ and the buyer cannot collect the item personally.

He suggested paypal, but what guarantee I have he doesn't trick me, saying he never received the item, the item doesn't work, etc., taking his money back from my paypal account?

L1m1tless

Send the Item by Registered Post

Last_Minute

Registered post is the way to go.

tendjose

But he can say that i put a brick insidevthe box or that the item was completely not working no?

allthedoyles

Paypal works on proof of delivery , so once the buyer signs for parcel , he commits himself to agreeing he received item.

tendjose

This looks like a scam:

2 clients on the same day, from the same country (Nigeria), both with the same story: "It's a present from your Dad"


Client1:

I have just remitted payment to you via paypal and I also paid paypal charges to ensure you get full payment.so Kindly ship the item directly to my son as soon as possible and write on the package..."A GIFT FROM YOUR "DAD".


Abraham Tosin.
PLOT 2 ,ROAD 1
ADEBISI LAYOUT
IBADAN ,OYO STATE
23402
Nigeria.

He is presently working with one Telecommunication Company over there.Kindly ship the Item directly to him via ANPOST REGISTERED. FOR with the note "A GIFT FROM YOUR "DAD" boldly written on the body of the package
Thanks and nice buying from you

To: jamesbrownjamb1234 @ hotmail . com

sent you the request.


On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, james brown <jamesbrownjamb1234 @ hotmail . com> wrote:
if you don't have a paypal account just logon to www . paypal . com and set up your paypal account, after setting up your paypal account you locate the request money button located at the top of your paypal account home page, use it to request money directly from my paypal account which is jamesbrownjamb1234 @ hotmail . com once I receive your money request from paypal, I will submit payment to you immediately via paypal
asap.
Get back asap


Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:13:03 +0100
Subject: Hi James
To: jamesbrownjamb1234 @ hotmail . com

I'll check how secure is for me this system and let you know

On 31 Aug 2014 14:00, "james brown" <jamesbrownjamb1234 @ hotmail . com> wrote:
I'm ready to pay your asking price but not cash in person because I'm currently working as a navy officer are restricted at the moment and my only quickest payment option is PayPal, its safe fast and secure and i will be responsible for the PayPal transaction charges so you can get your expected amount plus the shipping cost which i will be adding 100 EUR. If you don't have an account with PayPal, its pretty easy to open one,Just log onto www . paypal . com and sign up. I hope we can make the purchase as fast as possible? As I am buying the item for my son as a gift who is working with a telecommunication conpany in abroad and i will like it to shipped via ANPOST REGISTERED,I look forward to hear from you with the information below.

Your PayPal e-Mail Address :
Full name:
Firm Price:

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:04:56 +0100
To: jamesbrownjamb1234 @ hotmail . com

Hi,

I'm here.

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Client 2:

Please do not disclose the battery to the customs they might not want to ship they might think you put bomb inside the phone..lol just tell them its a toy or electronic device just pack it well and seal it.


Just label it a gift from the DAD
Thanks

Ian
From: ianraheem @ outlook . ie
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 09:11:31 +0100



NAME : Adebowale Raheem

phase 2 shopping complex,
beside eleyele police station,
Oyo state
23402, NIGERIA,
West Africa

Thanks

Ian

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 09:09:55 +0100
To: ianraheem @ outlook . ie

So what's the address I have to send it?


On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 7:35 AM, ian raheem <ianraheem @ outlook . ie> wrote:

Payment as been made including the shipping fee and extra fee from pay pal. they must have sent you notification receipt into this e-mail address the fund as been deducted from my account please check your inbox or (SPAM FOLDER) for the receipt.

Get back to me asap.

NOTE: THE NOTIFICATION E-MAIL FROM PAYPAL MIGHT GO INTO YOUR SPAM FOLDER BECAUSE YOU USING GMAIL.

Thanks

IAN

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 00:31:05 +0100
Subject: Re: Yes the phone is still for sale.
To: ianraheem @ outlook . ie

sent you the paypal request



On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:22 PM, wrote:
Hi Ian,

Ok, and when do you want to meet?

I accept cash in the exchange (suggest we meet near a bank branch so they can check the notes).


On 31 Aug 2014 13:15, "ian raheem" <ianraheem @ outlook . ie> wrote:
Am okay with the price, am posting the phone to my son in oversea am a marine biologist in Uk i will also be paying for postage also.

Cheers

Ian


Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:08:04 +0100
To: ianraheem @ outlook . ie

For now I don't accept less than 600€.

tenifan

tendjose wrote: »

This looks like a scam:

2 clients on the same day, from the same country (Nigeria

Run.

Don't want to tar them all with the same brush, but you're leaving yourself wide open to being scammed.

tendjose

www . paypal-community . com/t5/Tips-from-Members/SCAMS-Don-t-Ship-to-Nigeria/td-p/492296

tendjose

Hi everyone,

If you have received a request from a buyer in Nigeria, I recommend reviewing this thread about a common scam. The things mentioned mentioned here lead me to believe the contact you received may match the scam. PayPal does not offer services in that region, and Seller Protection only applies to items shipped to an address registered with the PayPal account and specified in the transaction details.

I hope this helps!

Olivia

www . paypal-community.com/t5/Fraud-phishing-and-spoof-Archive/The-Nigerian-Email-Scam/m-p/250558

tendjose

I had already lots of people telling me is safe to sendby registered post... I'm glad I don't believe in everything people tell me in person or in forums, without doing my checks.... 600€ would have gone.

Now all transactions have been canceled

Chance The Fapper

tendjose wrote: »

I had already lots of people telling me is safe to sendby registered post... I'm glad I don't believe in everything people tell me in person or in forums, without doing my checks.... 600€ would have gone.

Now all transactions have been canceled

I'm sure they assumed that you were shipping to Ireland. No need to be smart

tendjose

Chance The Fapper wrote: »

I'm sure they assumed that you were shipping to Ireland. No need to be smart

I'm not smart enough to understand what you're saying...

Kenny Logins

tendjose wrote: »

I'm not smart enough to understand what you're saying...

You didn't mention Nigeria until after the registered post suggestions. Otherwise you'd have been told to forget about it.

tendjose

Kenny Logins wrote: »

You didn't mention Nigeria until after the registered post suggestions. Otherwise you'd have been told to forget about it.

Now I understand you. Of course they wanted to help.

But we should believe in everything people say....

And when I opened the topic even my thought I would be posting to the UK, but went, checked and read on paypal site how do they protect the buyer and the seller.

Then looked for scams from sailors stuck in a boat and offering a present to their son

Beano

tendjose wrote: »

Now I understand you. Of course they wanted to help.

But we should believe in everything people say....

And when I opened the topic even my thought I would be posting to the UK, but went, checked and read on paypal site how do they protect the buyer and the seller.

Then looked for scams from sailors stuck in a boat and offering a present to their son

You received good advice given the information you provided. You then provided more information re the destination and were given different advice. I'm not sure what your problem is with the advice that was originally given.

The fact that they sent you an email that said

Am okay with the price, am posting the phone to my son in oversea am a marine biologist in Uk i will also be paying for postage also.

and didnt realise then that it was a scam leads me to believe you need to read up on common scams before selling items that are worth €600. These scams have been around for a long time. If you cant recognise them then perhaps its best if you avoid selling on eBay.

Beano

tendjose wrote: »

And when I opened the topic even my thought I would be posting to the UK,

Both buyers clearly said that they wanted the items shipped overseas. You had this information before you started this thread but chose not to share it.

tendjose

Beano wrote: »

Both buyers clearly said that they wanted the items shipped overseas. You had this information before you started this thread but chose not to share it.

It was not clear to me, the mails were a big mess between UK and "Overseas somewhere".
I really thought in one of them, that "the son" would be located in the UK, until I received the delivery address.

But I guess I'm to stupid to read my own emails...

Anyway if I open a thread about security in Paypal, it's reasonable people warn me about the ongoing scams, don't you think?

tendjose

Beano wrote: »

You received good advice given the information you provided. You then provided more information re the destination and were given different advice. I'm not sure what your problem is with the advice that was originally given.

The fact that they sent you an email that said



and didnt realise then that it was a scam leads me to believe you need to read up on common scams before selling items that are worth €600. These scams have been around for a long time. If you cant recognise them then perhaps its best if you avoid selling on eBay.

Yes it's me I'm a very low intelligence guy, and have no expience on the Internet.

There's no problem with the advices, just looks like people on this thread don't like if users question the advices.

If I wouldn't suspect of people I would have been scammed.
If I wouldn't have opened the thread, I would have been scammed.

After opening the thread yesterday, I would have really no motive to be afraid.

After all, paypal and registered post are a super guarantee, right? (ops, except in Nigeria, and even paypal doesn't mention the countries excluded from their policy on the page where they explain how they protect the buyer and the seller).

Regular people would have been scammed.

Because I'm an idiot, I have no internet experience, and I check everything I read or the others tell me, I wasn't scammed.

Beano

tendjose wrote: »

It was not clear to me, the mails were a big mess between UK and "Overseas somewhere".
I really thought in one of them, that "the son" would be located in the UK, until I received the delivery address.


But I guess I'm to stupid to read my own emails...

No comment.

tendjose wrote: »

Anyway if I open a thread about security in Paypal, it's reasonable people warn me about the ongoing scams, don't you think?

The people trying to scam you have no intention of using Paypal. What they will do is send you an email purporting to be from Paypal and hope that you dont check your paypal account properly.

There are a number of red flags you need to look out for :

The seller is located in one country but want you to ship it to a different country. Paypal will not cover you if you do not send the item to the buyers registered paypal address.

Anybody who immediately accepts the price you ask.

Anybody who offers you more than they should. These guys offered to pay your paypal fees. They are the sellers problem, not the buyers.

Anybody who starts off the transaction with a big story with information that isnt relevant. Client 1 screams scam in this regard.

any one of the above would make me run a mile. When you get all of them at the same time it cannot be anything but a scam.

Beano

tendjose wrote: »

Yes it's me I'm a very low intelligence guy, and have no expience on the Internet.

There's no problem with the advices, just looks like people on this thread don't like if users question the advices.

If I wouldn't suspect of people I would have been scammed.
If I wouldn't have opened the thread, I would have been scammed.

After opening the thread yesterday, I would have really no motive to be afraid.

The advice you got was based on the information you posted. Given the information you posted the advice was good.

tendjose

Ok so now I have a guy that claims to be from Manchester. He also didn't argue prices which is strange.

Let's see what happens.

tendjose

Beano wrote: »

The seller is located in one country but want you to ship it to a different country. Paypal will not cover you if you do not send the item to the buyers registered paypal address.

How to know where the buyer is located through paypal, so I can check if the shipping address is different from the location address?

RossieMan

don't ship expensive items abroad. its common sense.


Ask for names, look him up on facebook. Try do the deal there.

Look for something to prove hes the real deal.

AdamB

The best thing you can do here is not part with your expensive item until you have €600 hard cash in your hand. Your item has attracted the attention of scammers, (often the case when you advertise online) who you need to ignore completely. Do your deal face to face!

Beano

tendjose wrote: »

How to know where the buyer is located through paypal, so I can check if the shipping address is different from the location address?

Paypal include the address when they send you the email notifying you of payment. Do not ship to any other address. and Make sure that the email is actually from paypal by checking your paypal account online. do not click on any paypal links in the email. open paypal.com in a separate window.

Kenny Logins

tendjose wrote: »

Ok so now I have a guy that claims to be from Manchester. He also didn't argue prices which is strange.

Let's see what happens.

You lose your item and the money. That's what happens.