Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

DVDM93

richymcdermott wrote: »

I just cannot wrap my head around what brendan rogers was thinking with a majority of the players he has brought in in the summer that made me think yes that is the type of player we needed.

Lallana: has great dribbling skills but a price at 25 million is crazy to me

Lovern: 20 million again mental for a season I felt he was alright.

Lambert: what was honestly the point of this ? If it was truly for experience you would find alot more better veteran players in italian league, just look at Leicester city purchase of cambiasso.

Balotelli: I tried to be positive but he just does not give a **** but he is not the main problem cause they all playing poor.

With the likes of can , markovic Its early days yet .


Then we move onto the players brendan brought in that simply do not cut it.

Mignolet : he is worse than reina , simply put . Even on reina worse day he is still better than mignolet.

Sakho: he is a shower of sh!t , does not help my heart when he passes the ball.
Aspas: forgotten about quickly
Alberto: made no impact
Borini: tries his best but not good enough
Allen: I do not know what people see in him honestly.

Only players that came good

Moreno, manquillo, sturridge , coutinho


In the end I do not know the reason behind the signings , why we did not go for champions league experienced /league winning experienced players than mid club / southampton players.
I do not like the excuse of the players need to gel cause just look at southampton, new manager and half of there team from last season is gone and full of new faces yet that have made a brilliant start to the season.

I cannot see brendan rogers be given further funds with the reckless spending he has done so far. His job might be in trouble if he does not sort this **** out.

To be fair, them lads at Southampton at the moment are a rare exception. We should just buy all their players... oh wait...

Dont be at yourself

hangballlouie wrote: »

https://twitter.com/siclancy/status/525590568232308736

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Hangballlouie

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Visible only to followers -- what's he saying?

Sorry didn't realise.

"@SiClancy: Newspaper line of the day from @TonyBarretTimes: "If Balotelli didn't exist, it would be in the interests of Simon Mignolet to invent him"."

klose

Hull playing their 3rd choice keeper tomorrow, guaranteed worldy of a performance so.

SlickRic

richymcdermott wrote: »

Lallana: has great dribbling skills but a price at 25 million is crazy to me

expensive, but he improves the first team.

Lovern: 20 million again mental for a season I felt he was alright.

he was good before he arrived at Southampton. in fact, this is the first season where he looks dodgy.

Lambert: what was honestly the point of this ? If it was truly for experience you would find alot more better veteran players in italian league, just look at Leicester city purchase of cambiasso.

Cambiasso hasn't set the world alight tbf.

and it's tough on Lambert. he was bought as our "option B". i don't believe Balotelli was in our plans until he became both relatively cheap, and possibly the only option the powers that be saw as available. i believe we wanted a mobile striker rather than Balotelli to compliment Sturridge/Sterling, and to replace Sturridge if he were to be injured.

Lambert became the odd man out, but also, when given the chance, he has looked petrified.

Balotelli: I tried to be positive but he just does not give a **** but he is not the main problem cause they all playing poor.

as you say, not the main problem, but he's not what we needed in a striker.

With the likes of can , markovic Its early days yet .

squad players.

Mignolet : he is worse than reina , simply put . Even on reina worse day he is still better than mignolet.

Reina was bad for 18 months, but I agree in terms of Mignolet not being good enough for any team wanting to challenge.

Sakho: he is a shower of sh!t , does not help my heart when he passes the ball.

same problem as Lovren. he was universally good before he arrived. what do we think the problem is?

Aspas: forgotten about quickly
Alberto: made no impact
Borini: tries his best but not good enough

squad players used to bulk up last year's squad.

Allen: I do not know what people see in him honestly.

while he hasn't set the world alight, he's our best recycler of the ball, and does play with some intensity. not a hit, but not quite a failure either.

Only players that came good

Moreno, manquillo, sturridge , coutinho

we can't say that he's "come good" just because he scored one wonder goal against Spurs.

In the end I do not know the reason behind the signings , why we did not go for champions league experienced /league winning experienced players than mid club / southampton players.

the biggest problem with the last transfer window was we didn't go for the jugular in the transfer market. we tried to play it safe, rely on the players we had to get better, and try to supplement them with players who might improve.

Rodgers said we had to get 1st team players in. he didn't do that effectively. Lovren and Lallana were the only signings that would go into the 1st team straight away, and Lallana was debatable for most tbh, considering Coutinho's form last season.

I do not like the excuse of the players need to gel cause just look at southampton, new manager and half of there team from last season is gone and full of new faces yet that have made a brilliant start to the season.

gelling is an issue with lots of new players, but it doesn't explain our biggest problem, which has been around for 2 years now. we can't defend balls into our penalty area.

I cannot see brendan rogers be given further funds with the reckless spending he has done so far. His job might be in trouble if he does not sort this **** out.

he won't be given many more funds in January IMO, but his job won't be in trouble unless we truly plummet.

Vicxas

klose wrote: »

Hull playing their 3rd choice keeper tomorrow, guaranteed worldy of a performance so.

An absolute blinder!

Rodgers saying we don't need a defensive coach.

Shocker that!

He'd never admit defeat like that

SlickRic

rarnes1 wrote: »

Rodgers saying we don't need a defensive coach.

Shocker that!

He'd never admit defeat like that

the most worrying thing was that he simply called it a collective issue.

while defending is done as a team, our biggest problem must be staring at him in the face. his defenders aren't defending balls that are coming into their own box. sort that out, and you'll solve half the problem.

Turtyturd

Hull could play Steve Bruce in goal and wouldn't have to worry given how bad our attack has been.

kevohmsford

Turtyturd wrote: »

Hull could play Steve Bruce in goal and wouldn't have to worry given how bad our attack has been.

We might get to straighten his nose.

sword1

Any reason why kess dissappear ed, sorry if it has been covered and I missed it, I have not been following every day

toxicity234

4 years ago we were on one day away from administration. Sitting in 7 in the league and in big trouble.

Now were upset about having the Champion of Europe beat us and sitting 5 in the league.

Its October. We have a lot of new players still finding there feet in the club and we missing 60 goals from last season.
We're still have a great chance to go through in the Champion league.

Every club have disappointing run of results and performance But its October not April. Balotelli and all the rest of the new players need time.

K-9

We all knew Mario was a huge risk. I'd be more worried about his attitude and off field stuff affecting team morale, which probably isn't too high at the moment. Suarez could moan but it was for the good of the team, with Mario it seems to be him being a prima donna.

Charlie19

sword1 wrote: »

Any reason why kess dissappear ed, sorry if it has been covered and I missed it, I have not been following every day

Worst fan ever:)

I dont tbh, I've noticed a few missing of late.

I just assumed they were banned.


God help us all, if we not get a win against Hull. Can only imagine what this and the humor thread will be like.

googled eyes

toxicity234 wrote: »

4 years ago we were on one day away from administration. Sitting in 7 in the league and in big trouble.

Now were upset about having the Champion of Europe beat us and sitting 5 in the league.

Its October. We have a lot of new players still finding there feet in the club and we missing 60 goals from last season.
We're still have a great chance to go through in the Champion league.

Every club have disappointing run of results and performance But its October not April. Balotelli and all the rest of the new players need time.

I shall call you Optimism Guy

8-10

SlickRic wrote: »

he was good before he arrived at Southampton. in fact, this is the first season where he looks dodgy.

same problem as Lovren. he was universally good before he arrived.

Say that to Lyon fans! This is not the first season where he looks dodgy if you don't just take an EPL-biased view. Lyon wasn't exactly smooth sailing

jasonb

Charlie19 wrote: »

God help us all, if we not get a win against Hull. Can only imagine what this and the humor thread will be like.

This is the Hull team that Arsenal needed an injury time goal to get a draw against at the Emirates last weekend, I'd be very concerned that they'll beat us. But you're right, the Internet will be a place to avoid for a few days if they do...

J.

Pilsbury Doughboy

toxicity234 wrote: »

4 years ago we were on one day away from administration. Sitting in 7 in the league and in big trouble.

Now were upset about having the Champion of Europe beat us and sitting 5 in the league.

Its October. We have a lot of new players still finding there feet in the club and we missing 60 goals from last season.
We're still have a great chance to go through in the Champion league.

Every club have disappointing run of results and performance But its October not April. Balotelli and all the rest of the new players need time.

Only a few months on from our best league season in donkeys years and already the knives are being sharpened for our clueless, arrogant, smug, ego maniac of a manager, I suppose it's better than the chancer, used car salesman,Brent jibes, people can critique the tactics and everything else but a few are questioning his character and getting personal, it's so obvious that people who had egg splattered all over their face last season will be the ones to start turning on a whim.

Bandana boy

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Only a few months on from our best league season in donkeys years and already the knives are being sharpened for our clueless, arrogant, smug, ego maniac of a manager, I suppose it's better than the chancer, used car salesman,Brent jibes, people can critique the tactics and everything else but a few are questioning his character and getting personal, it's so obvious that people who had egg splattered all over their face last season will be the ones to start turning on a whim.

Not Sure that is fair ,I think in the main the criticism has been aimed at the continued failure to address a glaring problem.

Our problems are imo
1.New signings not performing at required levels/not right type of signings
2.New Teammates taking too long to gel
3.Defence is all over the place (one of the worst performing in the league)

It is worth noting that nobody worth paying attention too has got the knives out on points 1 and 2 or thinks they are reason enough to sack BRod . I know I am willing to give him time to address this.

Point 3 though cost us a league last year and has gotten worse over the summer. In reality failure to address this is a fundamental flaw in the Managers character and if he does not fix we will never win anything. If he does not address soon I will question if he is the man to take us where we want to go.

Muahahaha

Thats worrying to read that Rogers said we don't need a defensive coach. I think it was Einstein who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results.

Sometimes you need a fresh face and new perspective and given that our defensive problems have been ongoing since last season now would seem the time. I just hope Rogers isn't blinded to the need but he appears to be which is a bit worrying because so far he and the coaching team around him haven't come up with the answers and right now they look further away from that position than ever.

The Mig

Kolo looking for a start :pac:

Dont be at yourself

We don't need a defensive coach. Srtel, Lovren, Sakho, Johnson, Moreno all know how to defend, but they're at sixes-and-sevens because Mignolet doesn't impose himself in the area.

Gbear

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

We don't need a defensive coach. Srtel, Lovren, Sakho, Johnson, Moreno all know how to defend, but they're at sixes-and-sevens because Mignolet doesn't impose himself in the area.

I think that's too simple an answer.

It's probably lots of little things acting together - you can handle one or two of having a DM with no legs, full backs who attack too aggressively, an attack that constantly loses the ball and never makes use of possession, a dodgy keeper, 3 new defenders in the starting 11 but not all of them simultaneously.

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Dont be at yourself

Gbear wrote: »

I think that's too simple an answer.

It's probably lots of little things acting together - you can handle one or two of having a DM with no legs, full backs who attack too aggressively, an attack that constantly loses the ball and never makes use of possession, a dodgy keeper, 3 new defenders in the starting 11 but not all of them simultaneously.

I think that "a defensive coach" is too simple an answer.

The more difficult one is admitting that the Mignolet signing was wrong. While his save stats were fantastic, he doesn't have the right profile to play in an attack-minded team like Liverpool.

A dominant, sweeping keeper would solve a lot of our problems: by taking charge of his penalty box, it allows us to play higher, our full backs to get forward, and our centre backs to be aggressive. Those points aren't flaws -- they're by design.

The team as a whole, let alone the back four, is not built to defend on our 6-yard box; but that's exactly what's happening, because Mignolet can't be trusted to attack a ball in the box.

Gbear

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

I think that "a defensive coach" is too simple an answer.

The more difficult one is admitting that the Mignolet signing was wrong. While his save stats were fantastic, he doesn't have the right profile to play in an attack-minded team like Liverpool.

A dominant, sweeping keeper would solve a lot of our problems: by taking charge of his penalty box, it allows us to play higher, our full backs to get forward, and our centre backs to be aggressive. Those points aren't flaws -- they're by design.

The team as a whole, let alone the back four, is not built to defend on our 6-yard box; but that's exactly what's happening, because Mignolet can't be trusted to attack a ball in the box.

Well we needed two keepers. Reina needed to be replaced.

Most teams in the league don't have a sub keeper as good as Mig.

A bit too much to spend but **** happens. He did play a positive role in our form for most of last season.

On the sweeper keeper thing, one like Valdes might help with playing a high line and improving distribution but he'd be no more commanding at set pieces or when we are forced to sit deep than Mignolet.

It's hard to argue which attribute would be more important to a prospective keeper - we're conceding a lot of goals from set pieces and stupid mistakes when under a modicum of pressure in our own box so ideally they'd have both.

Nerdlingr

Gbear wrote: »

Most teams in the league don't have a sub keeper as good as Mig.

Yeah, he'd be grand as a sub keeper.

rob316

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

We don't need a defensive coach. Srtel, Lovren, Sakho, Johnson, Moreno all know how to defend, but they're at sixes-and-sevens because Mignolet doesn't impose himself in the area.

Midfielders aren't covering the space the full backs are leaving behind so the centre backs are getting dragged out wide.

Rodgers is all about goals and passing, he doesn't care for the defensive side IMO, we were lucky last year and who knows with Sturridge not injured we might have continued to get away with it.

MD1990

Going by the Bib theory this is the team tomorow

Harry Palmr

Gbear wrote: »

I think that's too simple an answer.

It's probably lots of little things acting together - you can handle one or two of having a DM with no legs, full backs who attack too aggressively, an attack that constantly loses the ball and never makes use of possession, a dodgy keeper, 3 new defenders in the starting 11 but not all of them simultaneously.

That's about the sum of it. I also reckon Rodgers thinks (or at least is praying) that the return of Sturridge will somehow fix this. It'll help as playing two up will always means better ball retention higher up the field but that wont fix the defence or Gerrards age.