Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

T-K-O

MR NINE wrote: »

I couldnt really give a **** tbh. Im sure he can kick and pass, i dont want him to pick out strikers and play through balls etc. i want someone who commands his area, claims crosses etc. this whole lark of a keeper needing to be good with the ball at his feet is a myth. Its a nice plus if theyre skillful but its one of the least important attributes a keeper can have imo.

All your ****s in the world don't matter. BR gives plenty. If Begovic is not comfortable with the ball he will be under constant pressure. The same pressure you can see on the face Mignolet.

Our CB's could help the keeper out by not playing him so often but they don't, this is BR's way.

OwaynOTT

Allen = good buy
Sturridge = good buy
Moreno = looking like a good buy
Manquillo = looking like a good loan
Toure = average
Borini = disappointing
Balotelli = beginning to look like it will be a poor buy
Lambert = not working out so far
Can = looks like he will be a good buy too early
Llori = a bit pointless so far
Aspas = terrible pity Sturridge didn't square a few balls to him
Alberto = another pointless one
Origi = all signs point to yes, if he plays as well as he is in France
Lovern = not looking good
Sakho = ask me at the end of this season
Markovic = not encouraging so far still very early but I have a sneaky feeling he will be good
Mignolet = a good buy. Improvement on what we had, could do better himself and I wouldn't be against another signing here either.

Prob just under half are good buys with one or two more needing some more time.

daithijjj

We could do worse than bring in Hyypia on the short term if his troubles imminently get him the sack.

Pretty sure i saw Steve Bould on Arsenals bench.

What you cant do is just 'hope' it turns around.

mosstin

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Allen = good buy
Sturridge = good buy
Moreno = looking like a good buy
Manquillo = looking like a good loan
Toure = average
Borini = disappointing
Balotelli = beginning to look like it will be a poor buy
Lambert = not working out so far
Can = looks like he will be a good buy too early
Llori = a bit pointless so far
Aspas = terrible pity Sturridge didn't square a few balls to him
Alberto = another pointless one
Origi = all signs point to yes, if he plays as well as he is in France
Lovern = not looking good
Sakho = ask me at the end of this season
Markovic = not encouraging so far still very early but I have a sneaky feeling he will be good
Mignolet = a good buy. Improvement on what we had, could do better himself and I wouldn't be against another signing here either.

Prob just under half are good buys with one or two more needing some more time.

So you're judging Lovren but not Sakho??
Mignolet a good buy? Jesus wept.
Allen a good buy? No way could that be said about him just yet.

~Rebel~

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I can't see us buying a DM as Gerrard is in that role and Rodgers won't drop him.

A goalkeeper is needed.

A striker is needed.

But most of all a defensive coach is needed that will also help out the goalkeeper.

This is the biggest issue - we all want a DM, we all wanted a DM last season - but will they play? You can guarantee if you were to swap Mascherano for Gerrard right now, the difference would be night and day.

Hendo is suddenly freed up, our domination of games and tempo would increase hugely.

Not saying there's no place for Gerrard, but an athletic, energetic quality DM with speed of thought as well as speed of movement should be what we have in front of the back four. Hendo and Gerrard just ahead of him would be fine, with whatever combination of our attackers (Sterling/Sturridge/Lallana/Coutinho/Balotelli/Markovic) you fancy ahead of them. Plenty of scope then to drop or rest Gerrard for Lallana pulling back into midfield, or Allen or Can filling in.

T-K-O

daithijjj wrote: »

We could do worse than bring in Hyypia on the short term if his troubles imminently get him the sack.

Pretty sure i saw Steve Bould on Arsenals bench.

What you cant do is just 'hope' it turns around.

He's been there awhile and nothing has changed

MR NINE

T-K-O wrote: »

All your ****s in the world don't matter. BR gives plenty. If Begovic is not comfortable with the ball he will be under constant pressure. The same pressure you can see on the face Mignolet.

Our CB's could help the keeper out by not playing him so often but they don't, this is BR's way.

I think he'd prioritise a keeper who can deal with an aerial ball right now, who makes good decisions under pressure, who isnt a bit of a pussy. I could well be wrong, I really hope im not. Id rather a keeper who often kicks the ball out of play but can then claim the subsequent ball back in. Ive never seen Courtois play particularly good football but it doesnt mean I want him any less.

Turtyturd

If Gerrard doesn't get taken off at 3-0 down having played 90 a few days before and undoubtedly going to play 90 a few days later it's hard to see a time when he is left out/taken off.

MR NINE

~Rebel~ wrote: »

This is the biggest issue - we all want a DM, we all wanted a DM last season - but will they play? You can guarantee if you were to swap Mascherano for Gerrard right now, the difference would be night and day.

Hendo is suddenly freed up, our domination of games and tempo would increase hugely.

Not saying there's no place for Gerrard, but an athletic, energetic quality DM with speed of thought as well as speed of movement should be what we have in front of the back four. Hendo and Gerrard just ahead of him would be fine, with whatever combination of our attackers (Sterling/Sturridge/Lallana/Coutinho/Balotelli/Markovic) you fancy ahead of them. Plenty of scope then to drop or rest Gerrard for Lallana pulling back into midfield, or Allen or Can filling in.

Yeah i really think the problem is whats around the defenders. A better dm and a better gk and i think our defenders would soon regain some confidence. Im afraid to say I cant see rodgers making these changes any time soon.

I want to believe daithis constant ramblings regarding skrtel. Im not saying i dont, he just makes it sound like its too easy a solution. Id certainly be in favour of giving sakho and lovren a run of games, or possibly even toure for a game or two to restore some leadership and vocal chords to our defence, but im not sure how effective itll be whilst gerrard and mignolet are the other members of our defence

OwaynOTT

mosstin wrote: »

So you're judging Lovren but not Sakho??
Mignolet a good buy? Jesus wept.
Allen a good buy? No way could that be said about him just yet.

Sorry, Lovern should say not looking good so far.

Yeah Mignolet was a good buy. Improved on what we had and he can't help the shoite that's in front of him. He is exposed too much and too often are opposition players getting clear shots on goal under no pressure. He has earned us points all ready this season.
Of course he has made mistakes and of course there are better keepers out there but he was a good buy for what we could get at the time. A bit pricey though.
And I wouldn't mind seeing some decent competition come in and if the defence does improve and he still fups up, I'd be worried.
Still a good buy, not as good as Sturrudge or Countinho (who I forgot) but still a good buy.

Allen was a bit overpriced but has been decent by and large and when he has been out injured the midfield has missed him.
Injury problems are a worry however.

T-K-O

MR NINE wrote: »

I think he'd prioritise a keeper who can deal with an aerial ball right now, who makes good decisions under pressure, who isnt a bit of a pussy. I could well be wrong, I really hope im not. Id rather a keeper who often kicks the ball out of play but can then claim the subsequent ball back in. Ive never seen Courtois play particularly good football but it doesnt mean I want him any less.

You're missing the point, our style of play puts the GK under unnecessary pressure. If he kicks the ball out of play he's getting a bollocking from the manager.

I'm not against the idea of an upgrade but we have bigger problems, IMO. ~ 40 million and our CB's can't win a header. That's depressing.

OwaynOTT

mosstin wrote: »

So you're judging Lovren but not Sakho??
Mignolet a good buy? Jesus wept.
Allen a good buy? No way could that be said about him just yet.

T-K-O wrote: »

He's been there awhile and nothing has changed

Not shocked to see who thanked this post.

Turtyturd

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Not shocked to see who thanked this post.

I agree he's been there a while.


Reformed character.

Agent Coulson

Looking at some of tomorrows back pages it looks like Rodgers is throwing Balotelli under the bus.

Headline in the Times is...

Brendan Rodgers says £16m striker Mario Balotelli, 24, may never be good enough for Liverpool

OwaynOTT

T-K-O wrote: »

You're missing the point, our style of play puts the GK under unnecessary pressure. If he kicks the ball out of play he's getting a bollocking from the manager.

I'm not against the idea of an upgrade but we have bigger problems, IMO. ~ 40 million and our CB's can't win a header. That's depressing.

Also Skrtel, Lovern and Gerrard are culpable here too. They keep putting him under pressure when they could deal with it themselves but they play it safe and pass on the pressure.

Can win a header, can't hold a coherent line, can't play under pressure, can't bring the ball out, too easily outmuscled and just chaotic at times.

T-K-O

It's over to you Brendan. Yes we need a DM but as it stands Mascherano wouldn't get a game. This is why I am in favour of pushing Gerrard forward making it far easier to rotate/sub/replace him

A defensive coach will achieve zip unless BR is behind it.

OwaynOTT

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Looking at some of tomorrows back pages it looks like Rodgers is throwing Balotelli under the bus.

Headline in the Times is...

Now in fairness, he did hedge it with a 'may'.

T-K-O

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Not shocked to see who thanked this post.

Bould is a trophy coach, I was under the impression this was a well known fact.

Agent Coulson

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Now in fairness, he did hedge it with a 'may'.

But that is not what is being picked up on by the press really.

Rodgers knows what he is doing.

T-K-O

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Also Skrtel, Lovern and Gerrard are culpable here too. They keep putting him under pressure when they could deal with it themselves but they play it safe and pass on the pressure.

Can win a header, can't hold a coherent line, can't play under pressure, can't bring the ball out, too easily outmuscled and just chaotic at times.

Exactly, you can see it on his face. In certain situations he doesn't want the ball. I get and enjoy the passing game but that drives me mad.

Turtyturd

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Looking at some of tomorrows back pages it looks like Rodgers is throwing Balotelli under the bus.

Headline in the Times is...

That's just his famous man management skills, watch him try sell Balotelli to Leeds for three fiddy in January, then Balotelli scores 31 goals in the remaining league games.

T-K-O

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Looking at some of tomorrows back pages it looks like Rodgers is throwing Balotelli under the bus.

Headline in the Times is...

If that's true he's an idiot.

daithijjj

T-K-O wrote: »

He's been there awhile and nothing has changed

So why hasnt he been moved on?

Turtyturd

T-K-O wrote: »

Bould is a trophy coach, I was under the impression this was a well known fact.

T-K-O

daithijjj wrote: »

So why hasnt he been moved on?

Really?

Pyjamarama

Just read the story there on F365. Nothing story.. just pointing out that he's a long way from being where he needs to be but that he's working hard.

daithijjj

T-K-O wrote: »

Really?

Yea, really!!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/sep/14/arsenal-defence-steve-bould

T-K-O

daithijjj wrote: »

Yea, really!!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/sep/14/arsenal-defence-steve-bould

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9741346/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wengers-relationship-with-Steve-Bould-questioned-following-defeat-at-Bradford.html

This could go on for awhile. Rice hung them up and Wenger was under pressure to fix the back 4. The same back four that require fixing every year.

daithijjj

T-K-O wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9741346/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wengers-relationship-with-Steve-Bould-questioned-following-defeat-at-Bradford.html

This could go on for awhile. Rice hung them up and Wenger was under pressure to fix the back 4. The same back four that require fixing every year.

One of those articles has quotes from players saying Bould has helped them alot. A player Barcelona signed.

Year later....

Your article has a quote from an ex player saying Wenger is a dictator who doesnt allow Bould to coach anymore.

Funny that.

T-K-O

daithijjj wrote: »

One of those articles has quotes from players saying Bould has helped them alot. A player Barcelona signed.

Year later....

Your article has a quote from an ex player saying Wenger is a dictator who doesnt allow Bould to coach anymore.

Funny that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11183679/Per-Mertesacker-blames-Arsenals-attitude-in-training-for-struggles-in-Premier-League-and-Champions-League.html

Now who do you think is coaching? Bould has very little influence. He could be the best defensive coach in the world, it wouldn't matter and unless BR changes his ideas an extra coach won't do anything for us.