Second hand tractor

Deano7

I'm thinking about buying a second hand tractor for under 15k and about 100 HP. Any recommendations?

eric prydz

Massey 390 theres not much to go wrong with them

sandydan

or 398 ,390T or 399 very good selection at that price from 90 -91 models with 3 levers, if going newer,id avoid 93-94 ish , the early models had some gearbox shuttle issues.but most have been sorted. lots of good standard tractors in that price range.

farmerjj

eric prydz wrote: »

Massey 390 theres not much to go wrong with them

There probably a bit short of power if he,s looking for 100hp,something like this might be a better job
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-6280/7579956

eric prydz

sandydan wrote: »

or 398 ,390T or 399 very good selection at that price from 90 -91 models with 3 levers, if going newer,id avoid 93-94 ish , the early models had some gearbox shuttle issues.but most have been sorted. lots of good standard tractors in that price range.

He should be able to buy a early 90s one of them with some change left over

farmerjj wrote: »

There probably a bit short of power if he,s looking for 100hp,something like this might be a better job


Looks a clean tractor though it could do with a set of tyres

Reggie.

farmerjj wrote: »

There probably a bit short of power if he,s looking for 100hp,something like this might be a better job
http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-6280/7579956

Local contractor here had a 6200 series but wouldn't get another one. Very poor performance I believe

sandydan

tbh this is my opinion and i cant back it up with hard facts, but up to the 4,000 series massey id rather stick to 300 series, saw 95-96, 399 advertised in cork dd ,for around 18,000e.
for me 399, 390T or 398 in that order. i think mf had a good range and imo just jumped on bandwagon of changing just for sake of it when they had 300 series problems all ironed out or nearly. are a standard tractor that maintain value and can be revamped from front to back fully for around €10,000 and are still good for around 12,000 hrs with little repairs if minded other than usual repairs one ,like starters,alternators batteries clutch etc.no power packs torque issues,etc that swallow cash.
there was a recent thread on alternatives to MF 300 and well worth reading as it contains a lot of posts on alternatives

eric prydz

Reggie. wrote: »

Local contractor here had a 6200 series but wouldn't get another one. Very poor performance I believe

Just out of intrest,what troubles had the tractor

Reggie.

eric prydz wrote: »

Just out of intrest,what troubles had the tractor

Can't really remember as it was a few years ago but he only used it for the wrapper ad that's all he said it was fit for and he changed it shortly after

C0N0R

Reggie. wrote: »

Can't really remember as it was a few years ago but he only used it for the wrapper ad that's all he said it was fit for and he changed it shortly after

Drove a mates 6290 one day with a 16ft Kane trailer and id swear the tractor had the hand brake on, just found it very dead of itself but I wouldn't be a Massey fan in general!!

Reggie.

C0N0R wrote: »

Drove a mates 6290 one day with a 16ft Kane trailer and id swear the tractor had the hand brake on, just found it very dead of itself but I wouldn't be a Massey fan in general!!

Swine.....:D

I said

C0N0R wrote: »

Drove a mates 6290 one day with a 16ft Kane trailer and id swear the tractor had the hand brake on, just found it very dead of itself but I wouldn't be a Massey fan in general!!

Get your coat

Zr105

I said wrote: »

Get your coat

Why has he pulled haha


To be fair the 62's were good pullers around here, was a few 90's pulling 2600 tankers and not a bother on them, but quite probably did have a wave of the magic spanner... The 6280 seems to be well under shod, tires look woeful small for it and they would never have had massive tires to begin with,

For the money id say there's a lot of tractors out there that would fit that ARENT bloody over priced 390's, i cant see what everyone's fascination with the dam things are, drove one once and that was enough... Likes of a 7740 would be a far nicer yoke to drive. Early white roofs have a bit of hassle but the blue roofs were fairly bomb proof.

Reggie.

I said wrote: »

Get your coat

Lots of lads getting pegged out this weather

I said

Zr105 wrote: »

Why has he pulled haha


To be fair the 62's were good pullers around here, was a few 90's pulling 2600 tankers and not a bother on them, but quite probably did have a wave of the magic spanner... The 6280 seems to be well under shod, tires look woeful small for it and they would never have had massive tires to begin with,

For the money id say there's a lot of tractors out there that would fit that ARENT bloody over priced 390's, i cant see what everyone's fascination with the dam things are, drove one once and that was enough... Likes of a 7740 would be a far nicer yoke to drive. Early white roofs have a bit of hassle but the blue roofs were fairly bomb proof.

One mans Ferrari is another's mini if ya want a good stock mans tractor the 300 seris is bomb proof for what ya want.Some lads love john deeres I can't see the attraction. Dear by name and nature

Zr105

I said wrote: »

One mans Ferrari is another's mini if ya want a good stock mans tractor the 300 seris is bomb proof for what ya want.Some lads love john deeres I can't see the attraction. Dear by name and nature

Id agree with you, and whilst id be somewhat a fan of blue yokes id have no major brand loyalties, it would be whatever fits the work and the budget and is going to be reliable enough... I just dont see the big attraction to 390's... There were 90-92 era ones with loaders going for 20k a year or 2 ago, that sort of price put them up into nh tl money....

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

Why has he pulled haha


To be fair the 62's were good pullers around here, was a few 90's pulling 2600 tankers and not a bother on them, but quite probably did have a wave of the magic spanner... The 6280 seems to be well under shod, tires look woeful small for it and they would never have had massive tires to begin with,

For the money id say there's a lot of tractors out there that would fit that ARENT bloody over priced 390's, i cant see what everyone's fascination with the dam things are, drove one once and that was enough... Likes of a 7740 would be a far nicer yoke to drive. Early white roofs have a bit of hassle but the blue roofs were fairly bomb proof.

Nearly bought a 7740 myself years ago but couldn't find a clean one

sandydan

I said wrote: »

One mans Ferrari is another's mini if ya want a good stock mans tractor the 300 seris is bomb proof for what ya want.Some lads love john deeres I can't see the attraction. Dear by name and nature

actually love the layout of JDeere but after friend paid €30,000 for 3910 smashing tractor lovely to drive manoverable etc and it failed to go forward after reversing into bale to pick it up i changed my mind (rapidly) when supplier changed it for JD 6400 after repeated attempts to get it sorted. it was eventually but cost him,.like TM New Hollands. bought and got rid of 7810(4 weeks) after trouble with dog clutch , injector pump and clutch packs in pto. main dealer exchanged it for 399 (6354 engine ). friend has TM135 cost him a bob to sort one clutch pack after it interfered with starting ,said complete job would cost over €4,000.now it needs TLC to get pto started. if going NH id go for TM125 or TM135 but your talking big bucks.
300 series MF might be old fashioned looking as some say and overpriced in some peoples opinion . but its like good plumber trades man etc there is reason for it imo and it s because of reliability ,repairability parts availability, mechanic qualifications required to repair and cost ,you certainly don,t need computer, in fairness to MF they made concerted effort to make parts available and this was helped by cost of sterling

sandydan

does anyone have experience of Farmtrac tractors, a few new around here in 50-70 hp range purchased by buyers looking for standard tractors and influenced by fact that some have (or all, i don't know) perkins engines. also Ursus tractors copies of mf range whether they are still made or not i don't know but good yokes allsame.

Reggie.

sandydan wrote: »

does anyone have experience of Farmtrac tractors, a few new around here in 50-70 hp range purchased by buyers looking for standard tractors and influenced by fact that some have (or all, i don't know) perkins engines. also Ursus tractors copies of mf range whether they are still made or not i don't know but good yokes allsame.

Seen a few at vintage shows around here lately. They must be pushing the range. Availability of parts would be my only issue

sandydan

Reggie. wrote: »

Seen a few at vintage shows around here lately. They must be pushing the range. Availability of parts would be my only issue

are they ursus or the ursus MF copies.

Reggie.

sandydan wrote: »

are they ursus or the ursus MF copies.

Not sure never really looked at them that closely

sandydan

Reggie. wrote: »

Not sure never really looked at them that closely

the mf copies look like MF200 series & just as good, i think last one came out available in 4wd. Perkins 236 turbo engine type made under licence from MF.
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there was also mf35 copy made in India cant think of name of it, not made by ursus anyway
Zetor and Ursus in 80+ hp models i think they both had Zts engine and Ursus back end or other way around , but had HP difference, but parts were interchangeable as far as i know.
the old ursus ,, the older ones i cant describe in lower Hp

Reggie.

sandydan wrote: »

the mf copies look like MF200 series & just as good, i think last one came out available in 4wd. Perkins 236 turbo engine type made under licence from MF.
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there was also mf35 copy made in India cant think of name of it, not made by ursus anyway
Zetor and Ursus in 80+ hp models i think they both had Zts engine and Ursus back end or other way around , but had HP difference, but parts were interchangeable as far as i know.
the old ursus ,, the older ones i cant describe in lower Hp

The 35 was called the tafe I believe

Deano7

300 series is outta budget lads, any other options?

jimmy G M

2 or 4 wd? What kind of work you have in mind? I assume 4wd if you say that 300 series massey is out of your €15k budget. You are probably talking about a late 80's up to mid 90's also?

A fiat 90/90 or 100/90 4 wd are generally good simple reliable machines.
Maybe a Deutz dx 6.10 or similar.
Landini 1000? - many similar parts to MF but cabs do not rust.

Just be aware that many 100hp+ machines of that era seem to be well worked and worn out at this stage

Just saw this deutz on dd. Fair bit of power for half your budget, but 2 wd.

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/deutz-fahr-dx6-10-2wd/7553831

Deano7

jimmy G M wrote: »

2 or 4 wd? What kind of work you have in mind? I assume 4wd if you say that 300 series massey is out of your €15k budget. You are probably talking about a late 80's up to mid 90's also?

A fiat 90/90 or 100/90 4 wd are generally good simple reliable machines.
Maybe a Deutz dx 6.10 or similar.
Landini 1000? - many similar parts to MF but cabs do not rust.

Just be aware that many 100hp+ machines of that era seem to be well worked and worn out at this stage

Just saw this deutz on dd. Fair bit of power for half your budget, but 2 wd.

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/deutz-fahr-dx6-10-2wd/7553831

I would be using it to spread slurry, spread fertilizer, feed cattle etc. maybe I don't need 100hp? Yes I reckon 4wd is the only way.

Reggie.

Deano7 wrote: »

I would be using it to spread slurry, spread fertilizer, feed cattle etc. maybe I don't need 100hp? Yes I reckon 4wd is the only way.

For the extra traction id go 4wd alright

sandydan

.i take it you were pricing tractor fitted with loader. iv'e seen loaders advertised for around €4000+ , im almost certain same loaders were advertised for similiar last fall and for around €2,000+ April last.for that kind of money id buy something like 50B loader or digger even,and remove digger back actor.
i would not shirk on tractor as doing so may prove false economy,take advice from one who did.
id say hold tough for another while anyway its end of silage and bale season at minute and dealers are holding out for sale of 6 cylinder models while 4 cylinder turbo and non turbo are just becoming more saleable for yard use. in month or so 6 cylinder eg399 7810 will imo drop in price. get one and a rear-end loader(approx €600) to get you over winter feeding and front loaders should be down in price after January -February when yards are emptying . rear end loader cause less wear to 4wd axle as well, i know few who purchased and held onto theirs for backup in case of main tractor breakdown.
alternativly get a friend to hop on plane and visit dealers in England and Holland. i know one contractor who does that and sells tractors during winter months or soon as baling is finished

sandydan

saw 390T on Done Deal Donegal €14,800

Brown Podzol

I bought a Ford 7600 q cab 2 wd early this year,€5k. Just had to spend a couple of hundred euro on track rod ends. The tractor is very good mechanical land was well maintained. Seems there is no export market for these tractors now making them more affordable. On the fert spreader all summer and I'm going to put a 7 ft power transport box on it for the winter, will do a lot of the work done by the loader like nudging silage and taking away rejected silage, transporting bags of meal etc. I had forgotten how manoeuvrable a 2 wd is especially with side brakes.

TGJD

I'm another person that doesn't get the 300 series mf love. They are atrocious for the money you pay for them. The are just glorified 188s with 4wd. I'd go case all the way for that money. Possibly a 5130 or 5140. If you are willing to go for more power then an mx 110. Plenty of power and awesome to drive. Drive any of these 3 then a 399 and tell me the 399 is worth anywhere near that money. I've spent years driving cases as well as some other tractors and the cases are never matched on performance and have been bomb proof.

TGJD

Don't know where you are but I'd try these

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/a-one-off-case-5150/7278765

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/5150-pro-case/7475267

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-5130/6968236

Plenty all over the country to be bought. Great tractors, good price and a joy to drive even for 12 plus straight hours

sandydan

TGJD wrote: »

Don't know where you are but I'd try these

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/a-one-off-case-5150/7278765

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/5150-pro-case/7475267

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-5130/6968236

Plenty all over the country to be bought. Great tractors, good price and a joy to drive even for 12 plus straight hours

was actuallly going to buy one only foot room behind brakes were issue for me ,cousin in galway has one 4wd with power loader 94 hp i think.
not many case around here for some reason, just some of maxxum range,new ones are they similar to new holland, nothing against any brand just mf around here and new holland some jdeere(nearly new only) fendt and a few other new brands. mf are popular just because of parts and repair cost & became favourites , as you say they are overpriced but..also no dealer around here and case older model have bad rep around this area im afraid

TGJD

sandydan wrote: »

was actuallly going to buy one only foot room behind brakes were issue for me ,cousin in galway has one 4wd with power loader 94 hp i think.
not many case around here for some reason, just some of maxxum range,new ones are they similar to new holland, nothing against any brand just mf around here and new holland some jdeere(nearly new only) fendt and a few other new brands. mf are popular just because of parts and repair cost & became favourites , as you say they are overpriced but..also no dealer around here and case older model have bad rep around this area im afraid

Never had an issue foot room wise myself in them. The mxm range i assume you mean? From around 02/03 onwards? They are the same as the new holland just cheaper. It's the same company.

td5man

TGJD wrote: »

I'm another person that doesn't get the 300 series mf love. They are atrocious for the money you pay for them. The are just glorified 188s with 4wd. I'd go case all the way for that money. Possibly a 5130 or 5140. If you are willing to go for more power then an mx 110. Plenty of power and awesome to drive. Drive any of these 3 then a 399 and tell me the 399 is worth anywhere near that money. I've spent years driving cases as well as some other tractors and the cases are never matched on performance and have been bomb proof.

5150 here for the last 14 years, has given very little trouble.

twin_beacon

sandydan wrote: »

tbh this is my opinion and i cant back it up with hard facts, but up to the 4,000 series massey id rather stick to 300 series, saw 95-96, 399 advertised in cork dd ,for around 18,000e.
for me 399, 390T or 398 in that order. i think mf had a good range and imo just jumped on bandwagon of changing just for sake of it when they had 300 series problems all ironed out or nearly. are a standard tractor that maintain value and can be revamped from front to back fully for around €10,000 and are still good for around 12,000 hrs with little repairs if minded other than usual repairs one ,like starters,alternators batteries clutch etc.no power packs torque issues,etc that swallow cash.
there was a recent thread on alternatives to MF 300 and well worth reading as it contains a lot of posts on alternatives

the 4200 series that followed the 300 series are a fantastic and very under rated tractor. The cab layout of the 4200 series is a lot nicer, and has much better visibility. We run a 4245 4wd with a loader and power shuttle, close to 4k hours, and nothing major has gone wrong, just usual wear and tear.
I dont think they jumped on the band wagon, the 300 series was 10 years old when when it was discontinued (1987 - 1997), very few tractors were in production for 10 years. The 300 series were great solid tractors, but id personally rather spend a full day on a 4270 than a 399.

micraX

twin_beacon wrote: »

the 4200 series that followed the 300 series are a fantastic and very under rated tractor. The cab layout of the 4200 series is a lot nicer, and has much better visibility. We run a 4245 4wd with a loader and power shuttle, close to 4k hours, and nothing major has gone wrong, just usual wear and tear.
I dont think they jumped on the band wagon, the 300 series was 10 years old when when it was discontinued (1987 - 1997), very few tractors were in production for 10 years. The 300 series were great solid tractors, but id personally rather spend a full day on a 4270 than a 399.

And the 4300's where great aswell. The 6200's are a great range too 6260 here and never given any trouble does a lot of rotavating and ploughing as well as trailer work and materials handeling aswell with its loader and bedforming and destoneing in the spring. Bulletproof.

sandydan

just something i saw lately on done deal. a 1994 SLE model 7740 advertised with a Blue roof , thought the blue roof came in 96 am i wrong. any experience with those,

sandydan

TGJD wrote: »

Never had an issue foot room wise myself in them. The mxm range i assume you mean? From around 02/03 onwards? They are the same as the new holland just cheaper. It's the same company.

cant tell you what model cousin has,was trying it out before i purchased 399,
must check the contractors model for fun of it,its got fairly high hours now but trouble-free afaik, baling with couple years with McHale Fushion and driven well ,bordering on hard but well serviced.
what hp and gear box have 5150 and 5130 and how so they compare to 4230 hp wise. none of those around here probably due to no dealers.

Zr105

sandydan wrote: »

just something i saw lately on done deal. a 1994 SLE model 7740 advertised with a Blue roof , thought the blue roof came in 96 am i wrong. any experience with those,

Thought it was 96 as well, this states 95 but it may have taken a year before they filtered through to dealers, i definitely rember waking around a white roofed 94 that was parked here a few times. I think some lads did change them to blue roofs if they'd had the works done to them to bring them up to blue roof spec...

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

Thought it was 96 as well, this states 95 but it may have taken a year before they filtered through to dealers, i definitely rember waking around a white roofed 94 that was parked here a few times. I think some lads did change them to blue roofs if they'd had the works done to them to bring them up to blue roof spec...

My tractor is a 95 as she has it stamped on the rims but as she was an import it had to go back yo when it's batch was manufactured which was 94 when I was registering it for the first time

sandydan

Reggie. wrote: »

My tractor is a 95 as she has it stamped on the rims but as she was an import it had to go back yo when it's batch was manufactured which was 94 when I was registering it for the first time

some of the roofs have been painted blue others are allegedly changed to up value of tractor. as fella say around here when it comes to sl and sle models "im confussed"
the difference i hear is solenoids or valve on outside of gearbox instead of inside to sort problems or so ive been told, in later models not necessarily blue roof it avoids having to rip gearbox to sort, is that so.
a few 94 around here with blue roof that had to be ripped to sort issues a few times. what id like to know if this is correct it basically means the 94 SLE models are not bad tractors. wondered is it possible to change back ends in earlier models.

TGJD

sandydan wrote: »

cant tell you what model cousin has,was trying it out before i purchased 399,
must check the contractors model for fun of it,its got fairly high hours now but trouble-free afaik, baling with couple years with McHale Fushion and driven well ,bordering on hard but well serviced.
what hp and gear box have 5150 and 5130 and how so they compare to 4230 hp wise. none of those around here probably due to no dealers.

Both significantly stronger as far as I know. 5130 is between 100-110 i believe ( plus model, never seen a base model) 5150 has 130ish. Both have maxxum gear box. 4 ranges with 4 powershifts. The 5130 has two small levers and the 5150 has one small lever with a 4 setting switch for clutchless powershift same as the mx range. both 16 forward speed and 12 reverse with a powershuttle. Both tractors are beasts though, more pulling power than the ratings suggest. I've pulled extra large muck spreaders on high ground with a 5130 plus and it was under very little pressure.

sandydan

Deano7 wrote: »

I would be using it to spread slurry, spread fertilizer, feed cattle etc. maybe I don't need 100hp? Yes I reckon 4wd is the only way.

just a thought, have you hilly or soft black ground, for the jobs you mention you will not need 4wd, they are handy and good in wet fields in spring time but not totally necessary for jobs you mention above, in fact for yard loader work only id avoid 4wd as axle wear can be expensive if neglected, in which case a dedicated loader and tractor(costing around €7000 or less) or digger loader like eg mf50B or ford with or without back actor and separate 2wd tractor could easily fit your requirements, combined with additional 2wd tractor could be more useful,might be possible to purchase both for your €15,k
100 hp+ 2wd tractors are cheaper to purchase maybe a better quality less worn tractor can be purchased. im not changing my opinion of 300 series mf yet, but for €15k,i thought 90-92 with silver cab and newer improved front 4wd axle than 88-89 300 series models with black cab(avoid), would be easily purchased with loader, but not self levelling maybe. Mf 4,000 series are costing around €22-28K in good nick. landini blizzard 96hp tractors around here have given gearbox trouble so i wont recommend them for that reason unless you get mechanic to check them thoroughly first.Case seem to be getting good rep from contributors .another thing coming against you is at this time of year, self levelling power loaders are in peak demand fitted to 4Wd 100+hp tractors( now seeking up to €5000)

td5man

TGJD wrote: »

Both significantly stronger as far as I know. 5130 is between 100-110 i believe ( plus model, never seen a base model) 5150 has 130ish. Both have maxxum gear box. 4 ranges with 4 powershifts. The 5130 has two small levers and the 5150 has one small lever with a 4 setting switch for clutchless powershift same as the mx range. both 16 forward speed and 12 reverse with a powershuttle. Both tractors are beasts though, more pulling power than the ratings suggest. I've pulled extra large muck spreaders on high ground with a 5130 plus and it was under very little pressure.

5130 105 hp 5140 115 hp 5150 125 hp
They all have the same Cummins engine so any of them could be putting out 140 hp.
Early models no neutral on the shuttle.
Plus ones had neutral on the shuttle and upgraded clutch packs.
Pro's had one gear lever with power shift on the side (same as mx) and a higher roof and bigger mirrors

Reggie.

td5man wrote: »

5130 105 hp 5140 115 hp 5150 125 hp
They all have the same Cummins engine so any of them could be putting out 140 hp.
Early models no neutral on the shuttle.
Plus ones had neutral on the shuttle and upgraded clutch packs.
Pro's had one gear lever with power shift on the side (same as mx) and a higher roof and bigger mirrors

Jackets paying off now

sandydan

Reggie. wrote: »

Lots of lads getting pegged out this weather

is there someone getting hitched or enticed someone to keep window draft from
raising goose pimples for winter:D

sandydan

td5man wrote: »

5130 105 hp 5140 115 hp 5150 125 hp
They all have the same Cummins engine so any of them could be putting out 140 hp.
Early models no neutral on the shuttle.
Plus ones had neutral on the shuttle and upgraded clutch packs.
Pro's had one gear lever with power shift on the side (same as mx) and a higher roof and bigger mirrors

would they combine as field and yard tractors or are cabs too high or would 4230 range be better, im assuming that 4230 is same years just lower hp or spec and lower cabs , please correct me if im wrong. have they same gearbox as 5100 series shall we call them. where im coming from is i have max clearance of around 10' in shed doors, what price range would 4230 be.
cummins engines fitted to trucks gave great service despite pumps being adjusted to match smoking chimney stacks on trains in days when you got away with it to boost hp

cosatron

looking at tractors myself for the old man. Can someone tell me when power shuttles start coming in on tractors. As we do allot of loader work, a power shuttle is a must. I seen a lovely NH tl90 02 and it only has a manual shuttle. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Very green when it comes to tractors.

td5man

sandydan wrote: »

would they combine as field and yard tractors or are cabs too high or would 4230 range be better, im assuming that 4230 is same years just lower hp or spec and lower cabs , please correct me if im wrong. have they same gearbox as 5100 series shall we call them. where im coming from is i have max clearance of around 10' in shed doors, what price range would 4230 be.
cummins engines fitted to trucks gave great service despite pumps being adjusted to match smoking chimney stacks on trains in days when you got away with it to boost hp

5150 plus here not overly high also have a mx with loader which must be at least a foot taller.