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Golf Club - Best Practices

  • 26-08-2014 04:28PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭


    Hi all,

    Can we make a list of the best practices / rules operated by golf clubs.

    I like the practice of not being able to enter a score at least 90 mins after sign in that was mentioned in other thread.

    I saw a rule posted in a locker-room before stating that all NR's resulted in removal from the competition, and no 0.1 would be added to the players h/c.

    What other local rules and practices have you seen that could be implemented in all clubs that would be good for the clubs and golf in general.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭hades


    One rule that we have involves winter competitions when there's no offical handicap adjustments. The club generally gives out GUI vouchers as prizes, so for every €50 you win you're cut 0.5.

    This was to prevent the usual bandits, essentially winning their membership costs every year during the winter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    I liked the idea of payment for a comp taken when you book your tee time, would stop a lot of people who book, then don't bother playing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    hades wrote: »
    One rule that we have involves winter competitions when there's no offical handicap adjustments. The club generally gives out GUI vouchers as prizes, so for every €50 you win you're cut 0.5.

    This was to prevent the usual bandits, essentially winning their membership costs every year during the winter.

    Can they actually do this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    I saw a rule posted in a locker-room before stating that all NR's resulted in removal from the competition, and no 0.1 would be added to the players h/c.
    hades wrote: »
    One rule that we have involves winter competitions when there's no offical handicap adjustments. The club generally gives out GUI vouchers as prizes, so for every €50 you win you're cut 0.5.

    Really ?!?!?

    You cannot do that. They are not 'local rules' as in local modifications of the R&A Rules of Golf.

    They are incorrect off-piste taking the law of Congu handicaps into your own hands.

    What clubs are these. Does the GUI know about this ?

    I am outrage I tell you. Outraged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭e.r


    Senna wrote: »
    I liked the idea of payment for a comp taken when you book your tee time, would stop a lot of people who book, then don't bother playing.

    Great idea


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Golfnut77


    hades wrote: »
    One rule that we have involves winter competitions when there's no offical handicap adjustments. The club generally gives out GUI vouchers as prizes, so for every €50 you win you're cut 0.5.

    This was to prevent the usual bandits, essentially winning their membership costs every year during the winter.
    etxp wrote: »
    Can they actually do this?

    I imagine that they are temporary reductions and go back to their normal handicap when winter rules end. It's standard practice in most clubs I don't know why one wouldn't do it, it makes sense otherwise a guy can clean up for the winter playing off the same handicap if none of the competitions qualify for handicap purposes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,079 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    etxp wrote: »
    Can they actually do this?

    In my club if you don't turn up for the Sunday competition you are suspended for the following Sunday and you have to pay the fee for the competition you didn't turn up for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭markthespark77


    In my club if you don't turn up for the Sunday competition you are suspended for the following Sunday and you have to pay the fee for the competition you didn't turn up for.

    thats a great idea, can't stand it when the time sheet is full, then it ends up with a load of 2 balls mixed in with the 4 balls who actually showed up..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭hades


    etxp wrote: »
    Can they actually do this?

    As mentioned above, its a temporary club handicap reduction, doesn't affect your actual GUI handicap and when the counting competitions come in, you revert back to your normal handicap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    hades wrote: »
    As mentioned above, its a temporary club handicap reduction, doesn't affect your actual GUI handicap and when the counting competitions come in, you revert back to your normal handicap.

    Sounds like a great idea, is it taken that extra step where winter handicap reductions are used to influence general play reductions at year end? Would help even the playing field for those bandits that spend the summer playing team events of their over inflated handicaps and the winter then cleaning up in singles.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Sounds like a great idea, is it taken that extra step where winter handicap reductions are used to influence general play reductions at year end? Would help even the playing field for those bandits that spend the summer playing team events of their over inflated handicaps and the winter then cleaning up in singles.

    You cant compare winter conditions (short course, placing everywhere) with summer conditions. Night and day (literally!)

    Our competition entry is all done on BRS, if you dont cancel the day before your slot you get charged anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭hades


    Sounds like a great idea, is it taken that extra step where winter handicap reductions are used to influence general play reductions at year end? Would help even the playing field for those bandits that spend the summer playing team events of their over inflated handicaps and the winter then cleaning up in singles.

    As far as i'm aware, its never used to adjust for general play reductions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Our competition entry is all done on BRS, if you dont cancel the day before your slot you get charged anyway.

    Charged after you dont show up, or charged at the time of booking?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Senna wrote: »
    Charged after you dont show up, or charged at the time of booking?

    All charged from midnight the day before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,742 ✭✭✭✭Wichita Lineman


    Use a tee on par 3's to protect the tee boxes.
    Swap cards before play starts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Use a tee on par 3's to protect the tee boxes.
    Swap cards before play starts.

    For the vast majority of players a tee or not makes no difference to the divot created on a tee box.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    An NR in our club involves a DQ obviously, but also automatic .1 I thought that was a GUI thing, didn't think it was local. Sure thats a surefire way of lads meddling with scores especially around times when team clubs are being picked.

    I know a local rule we have now is if you NR a few times in a row ( cant remember the number) you are disqualified from competition player for like two weeks.

    I have plenty of NR's in a year, when I'm playing horrible and couldn't be arsed so I leave, but have to say it's made me stay out where I'd normally leave. Not that I enjoy it, or find it in anyway beneficial other then wasting another two hours of my day, but seems to work.

    I think we also have the temporary handicap for winter, not sure though as I hibernate from golf over winter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,000 ✭✭✭Russman


    those bandits that spend the summer playing team events of their over inflated handicaps and the winter then cleaning up in singles.

    And how many of them are there, really ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,000 ✭✭✭Russman


    TheDoc wrote: »
    An NR in our club involves a DQ obviously, but also automatic .1 I thought that was a GUI thing, didn't think it was local. Sure thats a surefire way of lads meddling with scores especially around times when team clubs are being picked.

    I know a local rule we have now is if you NR a few times in a row ( cant remember the number) you are disqualified from competition player for like two weeks.

    I have plenty of NR's in a year, when I'm playing horrible and couldn't be arsed so I leave, but have to say it's made me stay out where I'd normally leave. Not that I enjoy it, or find it in anyway beneficial other then wasting another two hours of my day, but seems to work.

    I think we also have the temporary handicap for winter, not sure though as I hibernate from golf over winter.

    Totally agree that an NR should be an automatic 0.1
    Problem is, there's a lot of work involved in policing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Arsenium


    Russman wrote: »
    Totally agree that an NR should be an automatic 0.1
    Problem is, there's a lot of work involved in policing it.

    Is that not the rule? And isnt there a proposal to remove it, as mentioned on another thread some time back.

    Why is it difficult to police? If you are signed in, and dont return a card, does it not automatically apply the 0.1? Assuming you sign in on the computer that is I guess.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,000 ✭✭✭Russman


    Arsenium wrote: »
    Is that not the rule? And isnt there a proposal to remove it, as mentioned on another thread some time back.

    Why is it difficult to police? If you are signed in, and dont return a card, does it not automatically apply the 0.1? Assuming you sign in on the computer that is I guess.

    Exactly. I know in our place, you pay in the shop but the computer is in the hall so guys can easily not sign in and see how their round goes before deciding to enter on the computer. Having the computer in the shop would help, but it would mean the shop has to be open very late in the summer evenings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭Freemount09


    Think the sign I saw, was to ensure everyone returned a card. They didn't get DQ'd they got removed from the competiton, so it was like they never existed in the comp.

    I presumed to try to ensure the CSS was calculated as accurately as possible, and also stop people paying a fiver and just building up their hc for a big comp ?

    I thought it was a good rule?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Think the sign I saw, was to ensure everyone returned a card. They didn't get DQ'd they got removed from the competiton, so it was like they never existed in the comp.

    I presumed to try to ensure the CSS was calculated as accurately as possible, and also stop people paying a fiver and just building up their hc for a big comp ?

    I thought it was a good rule?

    Not returning a bad card breaks how CSS is calculated.
    Think about it, try to get a cut with an average round if only the good rounds are submitted to CSS!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Arsenium


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Not returning a bad card breaks how CSS is calculated.
    Think about it, try to get a cut with an average round if only the good rounds are submitted to CSS!

    CSS is still a big mystery to me but from reading up on it before I recall coming to the conclusion that CSS gets broken by NR's only if the NR's are either in the buffer or better? It depends on the % of the field with a nett of SSS +2 or better. So a card that is not returned because of a poor score doesnt impact CSS. Its only NR's from players with good scores that break it.

    As I understand it...:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Arsenium wrote: »
    CSS is still a big mystery to me but from reading up on it before I recall coming to the conclusion that CSS gets broken by NR's only if the NR's are either in the buffer or better? It depends on the % of the field with a nett of SSS +2 or better. So a card that is not returned because of a poor score doesnt impact CSS. Its only NR's from players with good scores that break it.

    As I understand it...:confused:

    What about guys who are a couple of shots outside their buffer?
    A couple of guys off scratch having a 5 over says a lot more about the conditions than a 20 handicap golfer.

    In all cases its better to submit your true score so the CSS formula gets to decide on whether or not your score is pertinent or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,000 ✭✭✭Russman


    Arsenium wrote: »
    CSS is still a big mystery to me but from reading up on it before I recall coming to the conclusion that CSS gets broken by NR's only if the NR's are either in the buffer or better? It depends on the % of the field with a nett of SSS +2 or better. So a card that is not returned because of a poor score doesnt impact CSS. Its only NR's from players with good scores that break it.

    As I understand it...:confused:

    But, if more cards are returned, that percentage will change, no ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Arsenium


    GreeBo wrote: »
    What about guys who are a couple of shots outside their buffer?
    A couple of guys off scratch having a 5 over says a lot more about the conditions than a 20 handicap golfer.

    In all cases its better to submit your true score so the CSS formula gets to decide on whether or not your score is pertinent or not.


    I agree fully. All cards should be returned. It's the only way to ensure an accurate reflection of how you are playing currently. Just for CSS, I am not fully sure of the formula that is used but in the example you give, I dont think those guys scores would be considered when calculating it, pertinent though they may be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Arsenium wrote: »
    I agree fully. All cards should be returned. It's the only way to ensure an accurate reflection of how you are playing currently. Just for CSS, I am not fully sure of the formula that is used but in the example you give, I dont think those guys scores would be considered when calculating it, pertinent though they may be.

    I guess thats my point, if they are in as NR then they are excluded, but if the actual score is in then it may yield a different result?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Arsenium


    Russman wrote: »
    But, if more cards are returned, that percentage will change, no ?

    So long as they are within SSS +2 or better then the % will change. As in good scores.

    If someone with SSS+18 doesnt return their card, they are not impacting how CSS is calculated. As long as they have signed in.

    So it's only good scores not being returned that breaks CSS, failing to return a bad score does not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Arsenium wrote: »
    So long as they are within SSS +2 or better then the % will change. As in good scores.

    If someone with SSS+18 doesnt return their card, they are not impacting how CSS is calculated. As long as they have signed in.

    So it's only good scores not being returned that breaks CSS, failing to return a bad score does not.

    Well the signing in, as in a record of them entering, is important.
    One of the points was the people who enter after the comp, only if they do well.


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