fields with poor growth

triggerharvey

We have two fields reseeded two years ago veryslow regrowth grass a very light shade of green not very rich looking what is the problem?

Greengrass1

triggerharvey wrote: »

We have two fields reseeded two years ago veryslow regrowth grass a very light shade of green not very rich looking what is the problem?

Any dung or slurry put on them? Wgmhat do the soil tests say?

Damo810

Has there been much N spread on it? Light green is a lack of chlorophyll..

Have you ever done a soil test on it?

einn32

Sounds like N shortage but do a soil test.

The Letheram

Could also need potash. +1 on the soil tests.

farmerjj

Its a guessing game without a soil sample,best time to take one is winter/early spring before fertiliser/slurry goes out

razor8

Any lime on it lately?? Would be my guess, no lime here in years until last year, has transformed some fields

on the river

LIME LIME AND MORE LIME.

That's all I am saying

ellewood

on the river wrote: »

LIME LIME AND MORE LIME.

That's all I am saying

So lime ya reckon!! :-)

Miname

it takes the p to green a field. had an issue with lightly coloured fields got ground tested and index 1 in p. pig slurry and straight phosporous sorted it out. When its not there the easiest way to describe it is the field looks hungry.

Sam Kade

on the river wrote: »

LIME LIME AND MORE LIME.

That's all I am saying

Not too much now only 2 tonne acre in a single application

What do you think of gran lime? I was told if you spread 50 kgs of ground lime to the acre it would have the same effect at a fraction of the cost.

on the river

Here's the result.

sandydan

Sam Kade wrote: »

Not too much now only 2 tonne acre in a single application

What do you think of gran lime? I was told if you spread 50 kgs of ground lime to the acre it would have the same effect at a fraction of the cost.

was told by advisor that gran lime is ideal where renting ground,where result are instantly required but for normal farming ordinary lime is more advisable, what price is gran lime anyway i thought its around price of ground lime per ton,his advice was max 1.5 ton per acre every 18 months in ground with deficiency requiring 3.5 ton acre . i have molybendum ( or some name like that anyway) problem so maybe that has influence , causes problem with cows, repeating

blue5000

Could be sulphur too. Where are you farming?

ABlur

Didnt the OP say he reseeded it two years ago surely he spread lime if needed at that point? I find that reseeded ground can be 'hungry' after cutting or grazing especially if ground was ploughed and some poor soil was brought to surface. Mine stalled in the summer, I spread a bag of 10.10.20 per acre and normal service resumed!

mahoney_j

Sam Kade wrote: »

Not too much now only 2 tonne acre in a single application

What do you think of gran lime? I was told if you spread 50 kgs of ground lime to the acre it would have the same effect at a fraction of the cost.

Gran line 170 a tonne plus cost of spreading ,works fairly quickly but needs to repeated yearly.ground lime 23 a tonne spread,takes 2 to 3 months to kick in to gear but could get 3 to 4 years out of it maby more depending in how intensively land is farmed .gran lime is expensive and only a quick fix,ideal for land on a yearly lease but ground lime much better value and lasts longer

Farmer Pudsey

mahoney_j wrote: »

Gran line 170 a tonne plus cost of spreading ,works fairly quickly but needs to repeated yearly.ground lime 23 a tonne spread,takes 2 to 3 months to kick in to gear but could get 3 to 4 years out of it maby more depending in how intensively land is farmed .gran lime is expensive and only a quick fix,ideal for land on a yearly lease but ground lime much better value and lasts longer

If you paid that for Granlime you are going soft mahoney the dearest I ever paid was 150 and got it for as low as 130. However Growmax is where the action is now selling at 180-190/ton It is 1.7 times stronger than granlime.


For PH maintenance growmax at 30kgs/acre costs 4.5-5/acre, Granlime at 140/ton is 7/acre ground lime at 2 ton.acre lasting 5 years costs 9/acre.

Hard to know about raising ph. Lad that had rented land used Granlime at 2 bags/acre for two years(was doing some tillage) and ph rose from 5.4 to 6.2 in two year. He is spread 2 bags last year and one this year, I am hoping he will soil test again next year will give a good indication of what is value for money.

Most lads that have used granlime are slow to move from it. Its flexability and being able to spread urea after it and slurry has cost saving implications as well.

If grow max dose what it say on the tin it will be a very compeditive product.

OP I spread a bag of 10-10-20 ad half a bag of urea and soil test to see what is issue. It sound like fertility but it is could be one of many things. Did it come well after reseeding.

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If you paid that for Granlime you are going soft mahoney the dearest I ever paid was 150 and got it for as low as 130. However Growmax is where the action is now selling at 180-190/ton It is 1.7 times stronger than granlime.


For PH maintenance growmax at 30kgs/acre costs 4.5-5/acre, Granlime at 140/ton is 7/acre ground lime at 2 ton.acre lasting 5 years costs 9/acre.

Hard to know about raising ph. Lad that had rented land used Granlime at 2 bags/acre for two years(was doing some tillage) and ph rose from 5.4 to 6.2 in two year. He is spread 2 bags last year and one this year, I am hoping he will soil test again next year will give a good indication of what is value for money.

Most lads that have used granlime are slow to move from it. Its flexability and being able to spread urea after it and slurry has cost saving implications as well.

If grow max dose what it say on the tin it will be a very compeditive product.

OP I spread a bag of 10-10-20 ad half a bag of urea and soil test to see what is issue. It sound like fertility but it is could be one of many things. Did it come well after reseeding.

Sorry Pudsey that griwmax us nothing compared to phisolith. Stuff is rocket fuel in a bag. Out farm has pH of 5.5 we spread two bags got it up to 5.8/6 owner going with ground lime in it now soon. Neighbours say they haven't seen it look as good in 20yrs.
At home we've spread it last 3 yrs really good stuff what ever its does to the soil the worms love it. We spread a bag a yr at home now. Look into it its way better than ordinary bag lime

ellewood

Any idea of cost GG?
Cost per acre per year

Greengrass1

ellewood wrote: »

Any idea of cost GG?
Cost per acre per year

180/t we paid last November. We've used all of the bagged limes and wouldn't go back after using this.
We find it does a brilliant job when reseeding

mahoney_j

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If you paid that for Granlime you are going soft mahoney the dearest I ever paid was 150 and got it for as low as 130. However Growmax is where the action is now selling at 180-190/ton It is 1.7 times stronger than granlime.


For PH maintenance growmax at 30kgs/acre costs 4.5-5/acre, Granlime at 140/ton is 7/acre ground lime at 2 ton.acre lasting 5 years costs 9/acre.

Hard to know about raising ph. Lad that had rented land used Granlime at 2 bags/acre for two years(was doing some tillage) and ph rose from 5.4 to 6.2 in two year. He is spread 2 bags last year and one this year, I am hoping he will soil test again next year will give a good indication of what is value for money.

Most lads that have used granlime are slow to move from it. Its flexability and being able to spread urea after it and slurry has cost saving implications as well.

If grow max dose what it say on the tin it will be a very compeditive product.

OP I spread a bag of 10-10-20 ad half a bag of urea and soil test to see what is issue. It sound like fertility but it is could be one of many things. Did it come well after reseeding.

Just checked docket as itcwas gro max I used in spring for 12 acres ive rented ,165/tonne delievered .also got gran lime on same docket for fil and 170/tonne .130/140 good price for it!

Farmer Pudsey

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just checked docket as itcwas gro max I used in spring for 12 acres ive rented ,165/tonne delievered .also got gran lime on same docket for fil and 170/tonne .130/140 good price for it!

Growmax at 165/ton is equivlent to granlime at 100/ton

Farmer Pudsey

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Sorry Pudsey that griwmax us nothing compared to phisolith. Stuff is rocket fuel in a bag. Out farm has pH of 5.5 we spread two bags got it up to 5.8/6 owner going with ground lime in it now soon. Neighbours say they haven't seen it look as good in 20yrs.
At home we've spread it last 3 yrs really good stuff what ever its does to the soil the worms love it. We spread a bag a yr at home now. Look into it its way better than ordinary bag lime

Where do you get the philsolith and how much is it costing /ton. Do you have TNV figures for it. I thinkit is the flexibility of these products that really bring them into play and think they are stronger than lads think. As well they do not damage soil microbiology like ground lime which can shock the micro life in ground

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Where do you get the philsolith and how much is it costing /ton. Do you have TNV figures for it. I thinkit is the flexibility of these products that really bring them into play and think they are stronger than lads think. As well they do not damage soil microbiology like ground lime which can shock the micro life in ground

http://www.grasslandagro.ie/products/fertilizers/soil-conditioner/physiolith/
I buy through glanbia
180/tonne
TNV?

conor t

Greengrass1 wrote: »

http://www.grasslandagro.ie/products/fertilizers/soil-conditioner/physiolith/
I buy through glanbia
180/tonne
TNV?

total neutralising value.
did you ever use physiolith and normal/granlime side by side and see a difference?

Greengrass1

conor t wrote: »

total neutralising value.
did you ever use physiolith and normal/granlime side by side and see a difference?

I have a few bags in yard I'll look.
Nope but have used other gran lime and have gotten a better result from this.
Used there phosphorus fertiliser too and got unreal results from it.

Farrell

Did you every try Slag?

onyerbikepat

Is Granline not just ordinary lime but ground to finer particles and then granulated? It just gets to work quicker, but deosnt last as long.
Granlime is a rip-off as far as I can see.

just do it

Neutralising value of 39.5. Is that good?

Download brochure here: http://www.grasslandagro.ie/products/fertilizers/soil-conditioner/physiolith/

nhg

Here's the docket off the bag but we were paying €249/T (were only buying 1.5T though this year for this yrs reseed)

Farmer Pudsey

Was doing a bit of checking on the Growmax, It turns out that it is a burnt lime product that is crystalised. Would be Ok on low PH ground but I would be slow to use when PH is right. One advantage is that on flukey ground it would reduce fluke activity.

If spreading make sure that rain is forecast as it could burn grass as it is a strong alkaline. Would be good to get PH up good and fast however it would have no longterm residual effect. Also in the case of reseeds it maght bring you ph above 7 at seed germination.

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Was doing a bit of checking on the Growmax, It turns out that it is a burnt lime product that is crystalised. Would be Ok on low PH ground but I would be slow to use when PH is right. One advantage is that on flukey ground it would reduce fluke activity.

If spreading make sure that rain is forecast as it could burn grass as it is a strong alkaline. Would be good to get PH up good and fast however it would have no longterm residual effect. Also in the case of reseeds it maght bring you ph above 7 at seed germination.

Was wondering the same thing too. Our pH is 6.6 here. Would I push it too high
Phisolith is seaweed based

Damo810

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Was wondering the same thing too. Our pH is 6.6 here. Would I push it too high
Phisolith is seaweed based

Would your ideal pH not be 6.2? It's lower for those of us on boggy land, I think Teagasc recommended 5.6 (Open to correction)

Greengrass1

Damo810 wrote: »

Would your ideal pH not be 6.2? It's lower for those of us on boggy land, I think Teagasc recommended 5.6 (Open to correction)

Nah think its 6.6 I'm open to correction too.
I've peaty type soil on out farm,get marked fairly easy after a good days rain. The pH there was 5.6 now 5.9. What should that be at?

Farmer Pudsey

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Was wondering the same thing too. Our pH is 6.6 here. Would I push it too high
Phisolith is seaweed based

Phisolith is I imagine like granlime in that it is a fine calcium type product. Grow max is a burnt lime the same as builders lime but it is in a crystal form. It would not want to get into streams or rivers as it would kill all fish life.

If your ph is that high i keep away from growmax. Granlime at 30-50kgs/acre or 50-80 kgs of the phisolith should do as well. However checking up on the phisolith i this it might just be a marketing story, 250+/ton looks expensive as it it is not listing trace elements except magnesese. If I can get 500kgs of it next year I mught try it but would be reluctant to use a pallet of it.

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Phisolith is I imagine like granlime in that it is a fine calcium type product. Grow max is a burnt lime the same as builders lime but it is in a crystal form. It would not want to get into streams or rivers as it would kill all fish life.

If your ph is that high i keep away from growmax. Granlime at 30-50kgs/acre or 5080 kgs of the phisolith should do as well. However checking up on the phisolith i this it might just be a marketing story, 250+/ton looks expensive as it it is not listing trace elements except magnesese. If I can get 500kgs of it next year I mught try it but would be reluctant to use a pallet of it.

Ye its in little granules like fert. Very easy to spread .
It comes in top lift bags no pallets. I was going to go with 2 bags to the acre on my reseed.
Lad that sells it to use said we should go with another bag again this winter I'm unsure

Damo810

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Nah think its 6.6 I'm open to correction too.
I've peaty type soil on out farm,get marked fairly easy after a good days rain. The pH there was 5.6 now 5.9. What should that be at?

No, 6.6 is a bit high. I was a bit off too though :P

“An optimum soil pH 6.3-6.5 is essential to
maximise the productivity from rye grasses
and clovers”

http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2010/20100910a/AdviceOnLiming.pdf

Greengrass1

Damo810 wrote: »

No, 6.6 is a bit high. I was a bit off too though :P



http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2010/20100910a/AdviceOnLiming.pdf

That'll do. Still milk production takes 1t of lime off every yr and some is lost with leeching too

Farmer Pudsey

Greengrass1 wrote: »

That'll do. Still milk production takes 1t of lime off every yr and some is lost with leeching too

That maybe why my granlime is working so well as I am only spreading it in spring so little or no leeching. Yes they say 6.2 is ideal for grass but P&K still works best at or above 6.5. As well clover needs ph up there as well. So even though 6,2 might not be ideal for grass you may be wasting NPK growing it at that ph.

gazahayes

Got soil tests back ph was 7.5 and index 1 for p&k hoping to get some pig slurry out on it in the next while would that help to bring down the ph a bit it's peaty soil which is my main concern.

Farmer Pudsey

gazahayes wrote: »

Got soil tests back ph was 7.5 and index 1 for p&k hoping to get some pig slurry out on it in the next while would that help to bring down the ph a bit it's peaty soil which is my main concern.

HTF was it 7.5. You must have been spreading an active alkaline on it.

gazahayes

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

HTF was it 7.5. You must have been spreading an active alkaline on it.

Haven't the foggiest it's fairly neglected and full of rank grass. It's top of the list for reseeding and have dung piled up and ready to be spread.

Greengrass1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

That maybe why my granlime is working so well as I am only spreading it in spring so little or no leeching. Yes they say 6.2 is ideal for grass but P&K still works best at or above 6.5. As well clover needs ph up there as well. So even though 6,2 might not be ideal for grass you may be wasting NPK growing it at that ph.

Father has always been of the opinion that when your lime and p/k is up you keep it up

Farmer Pudsey

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Father has always been of the opinion that when your lime and p/k is up you keep it up

I be of the same opinion, that is why I think if it continues to work for me is value. If it keeps the ph right at less than 10/acre/year it really get value out of fertlizer. No worry about spreading slurry here or urea there. It also a standard cost/year not a big expense ever 3-5 years that if cashflow is wrong you skip and start digging a hole for yourself.

It really amazing how good fertility makes such a difference. Lads that have not spread lime for decades are now beginning to understand the necessity of it but are being put off by once off cost. Lads being told that they need 4t/acre across a 50 acre farm a 5K bill. Lads are seeing reseeds fail and cannot understand that if ph is wrong then grass will fail especially in mintill situtations

conor t

gazahayes wrote: »

Got soil tests back ph was 7.5 and index 1 for p&k hoping to get some pig slurry out on it in the next while would that help to bring down the ph a bit it's peaty soil which is my main concern.

Sulphur will help lower it a bit and should improve growth