Jamie Spencer

The Mig

Retired from the saddle. I'm sure a lot of punters will be happy at this news!

JuniorB

Very strange news.

Francie Barrett

Wow, this is a big shock. He's only 34 and whatever you say about him, he's still one of the better jockey's on the flat.

Peintre Celebre

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Wow, this is a big shock. He's only 34 and whatever you say about him, he's still one of the better jockey's on the flat.

There are at least a dozen you'd have on your horse ahead of him and that's being generous.


It's the end of the season not immediate. He's taking up another role with Qatar racing

andyman

I wonder is he looking into becoming a retained trainer for them?

kfallon

Rumours of Atzeni getting the job, that would be a strange appointment!

I'd love to see them go for Oisin Murphy but I think it's too soon to get a job like this!

I won't miss Spencer tho!

Peintre Celebre

kfallon wrote: »

Rumours of Atzeni getting the job, that would be a strange appointment!

I'd love to see them go for Oisin Murphy but I think it's too soon to get a job like this!

I won't miss Spencer tho!

Atzeni is the next big thing I think. Wouldn't be surprised to see him ride some of Ballydoyle's actually. Already rides Kingston Hill for Paul Smith. I don't mean immediately but I'd say he'll get some big opportunities

kfallon

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Atzeni is the next big thing I think. Wouldn't be surprised to see him ride some of Ballydoyle's actually. Already rides Kingston Hill for Paul Smith. I don't mean immediately but I'd say he'll get some big opportunities

Used to ride you mean, jocked off for Eclipse and Moore was riding Kingston Hill yesterday until he was a n/r!

Now at the same time you can say Atzeni had to ride Postponed as he was on a retainer but I have a feeling Moore would have been on KH even if Atzeni was available!

Goldcupfav

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Atzeni is the next big thing I think. Wouldn't be surprised to see him ride some of Ballydoyle's actually. Already rides Kingston Hill for Paul Smith. I don't mean immediately but I'd say he'll get some big opportunities

Atzeni very talented rider. Pretty sure he has lost the ride on Kingston Hill though. Wasnt booked for the Eclipse or for yesterdays race. Spencer wont be missed. Not by me anyway.

tipptom

kfallon wrote: »

Rumours of Atzeni getting the job, that would be a strange appointment!

I'd love to see them go for Oisin Murphy but I think it's too soon to get a job like this!

I won't miss Spencer tho!

Jays,its not to long ago he was pony racing.


Has Jamie any weight problems?,or maybe he was just worried about getting interviewed by Emma.

krustydoyle

Either way its a nice job for someone because they don't plan on stopping their spending anytime soon

I wonder it is a similar role to what hills does for maktoums now?
Or will he take herberts role over??

Gregk961

Spencer always an unpopular name among punters giving his riding style. No doubt in my mind he is a very talented jockey despite the many frustrations through the years

Peintre Celebre

I somehow missed he wasn't on for the Eclipse. Seems a bit funny given he won the group 1 on him and didnt do anything wrong in the derby. Suppose if the very best is available take it

applehunter

"Top" Jockeys aren't despised by punters.

Had a of of talent but for me he is just another hold up merchant that looks good when he pulls it off.

convert

Bit surprised by this. I thought he showed a lot of promise but never quite lived up to it, for whatever reason.

hawkeyethenoo

must be getting a bucket load of cash for his new job with the qataris.

Harry Angstrom

He won't be missed.

FIVE2_THREE

Is this really a shock ? The guy has quit on everything he has ever done. He quit on Coolmore and now he's quitting on his career.

tryfix

A horrible Jockey to be relying on, so good riddance. Any workmanlike jockey is miles more reliable than him.

Kevhog1988

33 group ones is a fair achievement in 18 years!!!
Hes not going to go down as one of the greats but two champion jockey titles is not to be sniffed at. I met him once out hunting. Nice guy but was really minding himself for the day

UrbanFret

The most annoying and frustrating jockey of his generation. Had the talent for sure but by fcuk he didn't make use of it. Handed opportunity after opportunity and chose to throw it all away. Back in the day he'd have been lynched for some of his rides and rightly so.
Good Riddance!:mad:

BumperD

He had a few too many poor rides and personal issues but heck, think people are sticking the boot in a bit OTT. I wish him the best of luck and hope it works out really well for him. Great opportunity and he's dead right to take it.

Francie Barrett

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

There are at least a dozen you'd have on your horse ahead of him and that's being generous.


It's the end of the season not immediate. He's taking up another role with Qatar racing

He's not in the major leagues, but I wouldn't say he's too far off. It's the questionable rides all throughout his career that people will remember him for.

kfallon

2004 - what a terrible year! Luckily enough they brought me in the following season to get the good times back!

To be fair to Spencer he was very unlucky in his year at Ballydoyle in that Yeats went wrong just before the Derby and missed that whole season. Having him around to win 2 Derbys and a couple of other G1's may have seen his season look totally different.

Still, never liked the guy in the saddle and he was a bit of an arrogant fella to boot. I remember one day, he rode a 1/3 in a 2yo maiden for Michael Bell (was in those Art Connoisseur colours) and he ran it into every bit of trouble he could, horse ended up crossing the line on the bridle in about 6th, never having got a run. He was interviewed afterwards and his comments were something like, "He's one for punters to watch out for the next day!!" :pac: Horse was 1/3!!!

krustydoyle

Atzeni to take over from Spencer as no 1 rider with oisin murphy getting the no 2 role

Pinesky

krustydoyle wrote: »

Atzeni to take over from Spencer as no 1 rider with oisin murphy getting the no 2 role

I would have thought Oisin would be better off trying to get Atzeni's old job .

cashcarson

Atzeni is retained by sheik obaid maktoum owner of postponed and roseburg so couldn't ride Kingston hill in eclipse was retained to ride roseburg in haydock ( won nicely) on eclipse day, likewise Postponed by the way do ye think Kingston hill would of beaten Postponed the last day thought postponed was ultra impressive myself. who wud ye fancy in leger is there something lurking in the long grass.

Gringo180

Anybody see him on Purr Along today?? Gave the filly an absolute stinker of a ride.

Harry Angstrom

Gringo180 wrote: »

Anybody see him on Purr Along today?? Gave the filly an absolute stinker of a ride.

Johnny Murtagh should come out of retirement and ride it himself.

Peintre Celebre

Purr Along basically finishing on the bridle. It was an absolutely woeful ride

Gringo180

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Purr Along basically finishing on the bridle. It was an absolutely woeful ride

Not once could she be pushed out because the clown had her stuck behind weakening horses. He had the filly miles off the pace as well. Always tries to be the hero doesnt he.

Peintre Celebre

Lol I didn't back the horse or even see the race so I'm not saying he'd have won or anything, but punters around the globe must be eagerly awaiting this fella's retirement. Comments on his ride in the Abbaye

'Held up towards rear on outer, nowhere to go from 1 1/2 furlongs out, never got a run'

NaiveMelodies

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Lol I didn't back the horse or even see the race so I'm not saying he'd have won or anything, but punters around the globe must be eagerly awaiting this fella's retirement. Comments on his ride in the Abbaye

'Held up towards rear on outer, nowhere to go from 1 1/2 furlongs out, never got a run'

Harsh enough considering the race was the one of the messiest I have ever seen.
Probably 6 or 7 jockeys in the same boat as Spencer in that one.

Peintre Celebre

only1stevo wrote: »

Harsh enough considering the race was the one of the messiest I have ever seen.
Probably 6 or 7 jockeys in the same boat as Spencer in that one.

Could happen any jockey but there isn't a jockey in the world that gets into trouble as much as him. That description above could apply to a lot of his rides. The filly in the Matron who finished on the bridle the other week, Queen Catrine beaten a short head at ascot after going around the whole field. Shocking

NaiveMelodies

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Could happen any jockey but there isn't a jockey in the world that gets into trouble as much as him. That description above could apply to a lot of his rides. The filly in the Matron who finished on the bridle the other week, Queen Catrine beaten a short head at ascot after going around the whole field. Shocking

I'm not defending Spencer on the whole, just saying todays race not the best example!

Francie Barrett

I defended him earlier, but he's been nothing short of a disgrace in the last few weeks. I think he's just clocking his card in until he can call it quits. You only need to look at his strike rate to see that (lowest % since he turned pro).

Shemale

"Lewes trainer Jim Best had revealed Spencer had contacted him for the ride on Lyssio (11-4), who was held up in last and could not make quite enough progress in the final stages to challenge the leading pack, which was headed by Declan Bates and The Sneezer (16-1)."

Story of his career, from ATR, cant post links

Andalucia

Spencer could get a horse beaten in a walkover, the most one-dimensional jockey ever that ever held a licence, where this notion of him being top class came from I can't fathom

Francie Barrett

Jamie Spencer's contract with Qatar Racing was not renewed, this why he retired.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=4804224&category=0

tipptom

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Jamie Spencer's contract with Qatar Racing was not renewed, this why he retired.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=4804224&category=0

Heard there was a little more to it than they just not renewing his contract.

Have to say a lot of the criticism Spencer receives is of the laughable "he would have won that race if he'd only been a bit closer" variety. Frustrating though it may be, the evidence suggests that Spencer is pretty good at getting the best performance he can out of a horse - the horse is finishing fast precisely BECAUSE it was held up.

Tom Segal is one punter who I believe looks for him in the big handicaps, but I am sure we all know better than he does.

FIVE2_THREE

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Jamie Spencer's contract with Qatar Racing was not renewed, this why he retired.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=4804224&category=0

Just as I've said before some can make it freelance and some can't. the modern day jockey is a spoiled one. most can't cut it without the support of a big stable or a trainer with productive stock. the very thought of Spencer returning to freelance forced him to retire.

FIVE2_THREE

Deleted User wrote: »

Have to say a lot of the criticism Spencer receives is of the laughable "he would have won that race if he'd only been a bit closer" variety. Frustrating though it may be, the evidence suggests that Spencer is pretty good at getting the best performance he can out of a horse - the horse is finishing fast precisely BECAUSE it was held up.

Tom Segal is one punter who I believe looks for him in the big handicaps, but I am sure we all know better than he does.

I wouldn't say that. when you hold a horse up early it forces you to exert it even more at the finish because you have to weave your way through tired horses who impede your path. take a look at his days at Ballydoyle. they didnt buy into the hold up style Spencer normally employs. He rode their horses the same way they have always been ridden. none of that hold up BS

Andalucia

He'll be back riding by Royal Ascot, just can't see how this retirement can last at his age

Shemale

Deleted User wrote: »

Have to say a lot of the criticism Spencer receives is of the laughable "he would have won that race if he'd only been a bit closer" variety. Frustrating though it may be, the evidence suggests that Spencer is pretty good at getting the best performance he can out of a horse - the horse is finishing fast precisely BECAUSE it was held up.

Tom Segal is one punter who I believe looks for him in the big handicaps, but I am sure we all know better than he does.

The horse is finishing fast as he ran the first 90% of the race 40% slower than the other horses and has lots left in the tank, either way it won't win and it has Spencer on board.

Tom Segal is right and we are all wrong.

mr.jingle

Think Spencer has acquitted himself very well since this decision was made. He's been saying the right things and hasn't made any fuss out of it despite every time he's interviewed he's being asked the same questions continuously. Can only imagine the days when Dettoris retiring and he milks it to death.

I didn't mind Spencer as a jockey, you kind of knew what you were getting into when you backed a horse he was on that liked to come off the pace and although it's seriously frustrating when he's beaten a short head gaining 10lengths in the last furlong we all know the gamble we took.

Think he's taken a poor decision myself as he is a good jockey with much more to give in the saddle and not as one dimensional as some make him out to be but he'll be remembered for all the wrong things

Shemale

Shemale wrote: »

The horse is finishing fast as he ran the first 90% of the race 40% slower than the other horses and has lots left in the tank, either way it won't win and it has Spencer on board.

Tom Segal is right and we are all wrong.

Well, he's the (named) leading tipster in the Racing Post, we're anonymous talkboard crackpots...

But sersiously, I just think a lot of the criticism is idiotic and based on nothing more than the idea that 'if only he had ridden that horse prominently, it would have won easy' which frankly is an opinion that could only be held by someone who knows absolutely nothing about racing.

Couple of more thoughtful (and factual) angles:
https://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/timeform-premium/jamie-lynch/jamie-lynch-on-spencer-end-of-an-era-071114-103.html
http://onemilefourandten.com/2013/10/02/jamie-spencer-riding-style-results-what-does-the-data-tell-us/
https://www.timeform.com/Racing/Articles/Jamie_Spencer_A_statistical_summary

Shemale

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, he's the (named) leading tipster in the Racing Post, we're anonymous talkboard crackpots...

But sersiously, I just think a lot of the criticism is idiotic and based on nothing more than the idea that 'if only he had ridden that horse prominently, it would have won easy' which frankly is an opinion that could only be held by someone who knows absolutely nothing about racing.

Ah yeah totally agree about people making stupid assumptions that if a horse was up with the pace it would finish the race in the exact same way. For me his biggest flaw is dropping everything in.

He is limited by virtue of only being able to ride one way

DylanAFC

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, he's the (named) leading tipster in the Racing Post, we're anonymous talkboard crackpots...

But sersiously, I just think a lot of the criticism is idiotic and based on nothing more than the idea that 'if only he had ridden that horse prominently, it would have won easy' which frankly is an opinion that could only be held by someone who knows absolutely nothing about racing.

Couple of more thoughtful (and factual) angles:
https://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/timeform-premium/jamie-lynch/jamie-lynch-on-spencer-end-of-an-era-071114-103.html
http://onemilefourandten.com/2013/10/02/jamie-spencer-riding-style-results-what-does-the-data-tell-us/
https://www.timeform.com/Racing/Articles/Jamie_Spencer_A_statistical_summary

Off topic, but does anyone have Tom Segal's P/L figures for last year?

Shemale

Shemale wrote: »

Ah yeah totally agree about people making stupid assumptions that if a horse was up with the pace it would finish the race in the exact same way. For me his biggest flaw is dropping everything in.

He is limited by virtue of only being able to ride one way

fwiw I think that was the biggest problem with ballydoyle. in fact back to tom segal spencer's style is much more likely to be effective in a frenetic 20 horse handicap which is the sort of race pricewise is usually looking for a winner in. on the other hand when he's asked to ride an odds-on fav prominent and dominate a field that's not really what he's good at or wants to do.

a little bit of a myth that he ALWAYS holds up a horse though, we only have to go back to the breeders up, he knew he had to get tony prominent and he did

Peintre Celebre

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, he's the (named) leading tipster in the Racing Post, we're anonymous talkboard crackpots...

But sersiously, I just think a lot of the criticism is idiotic and based on nothing more than the idea that 'if only he had ridden that horse prominently, it would have won easy' which frankly is an opinion that could only be held by someone who knows absolutely nothing about racing.

Couple of more thoughtful (and factual) angles:
https://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/timeform-premium/jamie-lynch/jamie-lynch-on-spencer-end-of-an-era-071114-103.html
http://onemilefourandten.com/2013/10/02/jamie-spencer-riding-style-results-what-does-the-data-tell-us/
https://www.timeform.com/Racing/Articles/Jamie_Spencer_A_statistical_summary

Just because Tom Segal says something does not mean it is true. Spencer is like the Mario Balotelli of horse racing. Been around huge operations and never really delivered. Most jockeys would give an arm to have had the opportunities he's had and he's squandered them all purely because he isn't good enough.

There's a reason so many people become frustrated with him. Typical ride you associate with him (and this is a quote)

''Held up in last place, switched right and headway 3F out, came around whole field, ran on strongly inside final furlong, just failed, too much to do''. Queen Catrine at Royal Ascot. He finished on the bridle on Purr Along in the Matron because he got her boxed in