Clocked DoneDeal car

ION08

I was browsing Donedeal earlier and I happened to come across a car which a friend of mine owned in 2012.

The car looks very clean in the pictures and the description is very well written, much better than your usual passive agressive illiterate skanger taking pictures of his car semi-submerged in a lake somewhere.

The car had 225,000kms when my friend sold it.

Now, 2 years later, the car is advertised with 125,000 kms and even more interestingly a Full Service History and a Cartell report!

Wonder how that happened!

quadrifoglio verde

Cartell don't have access to the old milage. It comes from owners volunteering It to the national car milage register.
With the new nct certs, they've begun recording the milage on the cert making it difficult to get away with. However that was only from July this year.
If I was off that nature, I'd find a high miler on donedeal, see if it's milage was on the register, if not, buy it, rewind the clocks 100k, put the new milage on the register, bang it into the nct and hey presto, someone does a cartell report and the milage comes up "correct".

biko

Report it to Gardai with a screenshot of advert.
Does your friend have old NCTs or other evidence for the previous mileage?
http://www.consumerhelp.ie/car-clocking

Gumbo

biko wrote: »

Report it to Gardai with a screenshot of advert.
Does your friend have old NCTs or other evidence for the previous mileage?
http://www.consumerhelp.ie/car-clocking

Old NCT Certs should go with the car, not stay with previous owners. It's part of the service history IMHO.

ted1

biko wrote: »

Report it to Gardai with a screenshot of advert.
Does your friend have old NCTs or other evidence for the previous mileage?
http://www.consumerhelp.ie/car-clocking

It's not illegal to clock car.
http://nmr.ie/car-clocking/
http://www.thejournal.ie/clocking-banned-ireland-1263009-Jan2014/

sblythe

ted1 wrote: »

It's not illegal to clock car.

Correct, it is not.
It is however illegal to not inform the buyer of such a discrepancy that you are aware of. And IMO it is scummy of anyone to do it and sting someone.

colm_mcm

ted1 wrote: »

It's not illegal to clock car.
http://nmr.ie/car-clocking/
http://www.thejournal.ie/clocking-banned-ireland-1263009-Jan2014/

Its illegal since April?

sblythe

colm_mcm wrote: »

Its ilegal since April.

Thats a first for me. Even looking online now there are various sites stating it is illegal.
I'm not doubting you at all by the way.

colm_mcm

What kinda mileage does a car generally do, out of curiousity?

I don't think i'd be too fussed if I found out my car was clocked, so long as it was running okay. I would, however, be annoyed if I found out it was clocked, and it was on it's deathbed due to mileage.

visual

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What kinda mileage does a car generally do, out of curiousity?

I don't think i'd be too fussed if I found out my car was clocked, so long as it was running okay. I would, however, be annoyed if I found out it was clocked, and it was on it's deathbed due to mileage.

What if someone clocked back mileage and short time later the timing belt snapped due to it not being replaced at the correct mileage.

Or next NCT your having to rebuild the suspension as its worn out due to high mileage but you paid full price for a car that should last many thousand more miles before needing costly replacement parts

That's a fair point I suppose.

Timing belt would be a concern, but I'd imagine the car would need to have monstrous miles on it before the suspension would start going? (I'd have thought that would be something that would fade away with age, rather than due to usage?)

bazz26

Mileage affects resale value of the car. These gangsters buy high mileage cars at prices reflecting that high mileage, they then readjust the mileage down to sell it at a higher price.

O.A.P

Deleted User wrote: »

What kinda mileage does a car generally do, out of curiousity?

I don't think i'd be too fussed if I found out my car was clocked, so long as it was running okay. I would, however, be annoyed if I found out it was clocked, and it was on it's deathbed due to mileage.

That's a how long is a piece of string kind of question.
When you first buy the car and are certain of the mileage and service history then its only a matter of maintaining it well.
Serviced on or before time replacing parts as they ware out, not letting them hang there until they fail completely . Most if not all modern cars are capable of 200000 miles before major components fail if well looked after.

O.A.P

O.A.P wrote: »

That's a how long is a piece of string kind of question.
When you first buy the car and are certain of the mileage and service history then its only a matter of maintaining it well.
Serviced on or before time replacing parts as they ware out, not letting them hang there until they fail completely . Most if not all modern cars are capable of 200000 miles before major components fail if well looked after.

Well, as someone who's not all that clued into it all, my thinking was always along the lines of 'If a Garda car, that has a rough life, can withstand 300,000 before being written off, surely a Joe Soap Mobile can get to 400,000 before it starts to be an issue"?

colm_mcm

Garda cars are maintained far better than regular cars and have vast sums spent on them.

obezyana

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What kinda mileage does a car generally do, out of curiousity?

I don't think i'd be too fussed if I found out my car was clocked, so long as it was running okay. I would, however, be annoyed if I found out it was clocked, and it was on it's deathbed due to mileage.

If you bought a clocked car then at some stage decided to sell it on with mileage discrepancy id reckon you would have a hard time selling that's assuming the prospective buyer does a history check. So I would never knowingly buy a clocked car it just wouldn't be worth the hassle.