Irish free sat in th UK

saabnut

So now we're in the UK and want to get RTE and other Irish channels. We have a SKY HD+ box and wondering if I can use this somehow?

I can get a viewing card in the UK @£;25 one off payment from Freesat but it doesn't get Irish channels. What are my options?

We have family in Westmeath who have SKY still so maybe they could get a 2nd card and we use it but I'm trying to cut costs not increase them!

Any help appreciated.

Burning Coal

Where in the UK? Saorsat reception seems to be limited to western parts, with reports here from Wales & SW England. There's a thread in the stickies at the top of the page.

A Sky box won't be any use for Saorsat.

whomitconcerns

get a vpn service and watch online? maybe 40 USD for a year?

saabnut

Burning Coal wrote: »

Where in the UK? Saorsat reception seems to be limited to western parts, with reports here from Wales & SW England. There's a thread in the stickies at the top of the page.

A Sky box won't be any use for Saorsat.

We're in the Midlands (nr Wolverhampton) but since my Sky box won't be able to receive Saorsat then my options become limited. 2nd room card is probably the option now but I'll look at a VPN (have to google that)

Thanks.

brightspark

Can you watch what you need on the RTE iPlayer?

There is no legit way to get Irish TV in the UK.

If you go down the route of trying to get a 2nd card from your family back home the chances are you will get caught as the Multiroom card will come with a new box and that box will try to connect to the internet to confirm it is within the same household. If it cant connect and confirm they will be charged full price for the 2nd card.

Kromsdorf

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no legit way to get Irish TV in the UK.

Saorsat is perfectly legit, if you can get it. Limited overspill though, as already pointed out. Also no TV3 or 3e, & RTE1 isn't HD yet.

Kromsdorf

Kromsdorf wrote: »

Saorsat is perfectly legit, if you can get it. Limited overspill though, as already pointed out. Also no TV3 or 3e, & RTE1 isn't HD yet.

Hence the reason why there is no legit way to get Irish TV in the UK.

Overspill is just by accident, it isnt designed to provide a service to any other country other than Ireland.

lertsnim

Deleted User wrote: »

Hence the reason why there is no legit way to get Irish TV in the UK.

Overspill is just by accident, it isnt designed to provide a service to any other country other than Ireland.

Sky, Freeview and Virgin Media in Northern Ireland carry RTÉ. It is perfectly legitimate too. Overspill of RTÉ into Northern Ireland via Saorview is most certainly intentional also

Kromsdorf

Deleted User wrote: »

Overspill is just by accident, it isnt designed to provide a service to any other country other than Ireland.

No point ignoring Saorsat if it's a viable option, just because it isn't 'official'.

Thread title is 'Irish free sat in the UK', after all.

icdg

Maybe read UK to mean Great Britain in this case rather than go down the road of pedantry. Northern Ireland is different in this regard.

saabnut

On research Saorsat uses a different satellite to SKY and needs a solid dish not a mesh. This means that Saorsat is not available to us!

But SKY on a seperate card is... multiroom card posted over etc or somesuch. Maybe even a freesat card here and try to "add" the channels manually. Or use a PC to watch?

Thanks for all the input. Loads more ideas to look at now.

Gav

brightspark

saabnut wrote: »

On research Saorsat uses a different satellite to SKY and needs a solid dish not a mesh. This means that Saorsat is not available to us!

But SKY on a seperate card is... multiroom card posted over etc or somesuch. Maybe even a freesat card here and try to "add" the channels manually. Or use a PC to watch?

Thanks for all the input. Loads more ideas to look at now.

Gav

You can't "add" the channels manually, as they are scrambled.

Multiroom card won't work either, they have to be in the same house (on a common phone line?)

With internet enabled boxes I wouldn't be surprised if SKY could stop a box from decoding if it's in the wrong country!

Perhaps if both you and your family in Ireland are willing to settle for a basic, non Multiroom, non internet enabled, you could swap boxes and cards. It is likely to be against the terms and conditions, maybe illegal too. And if you have any trouble, customer support would be problematic.

winston_1

saabnut wrote: »

I can get a viewing card in the UK @£;25 one off payment from Freesat but it doesn't get Irish channels. What are my options?

No you can't. You get it from Sky. It's not worth having anyway, it only gets a few extra channels that you probably won't watch.

winston_1

saabnut wrote: »

2nd room card is probably the option now

Thanks.

No, that is fraud. It is second room, not second country.

winston_1

saabnut wrote: »

Maybe even a freesat card here and try to "add" the channels manually.

No such thing as a Freesat card. Freesat is, guess, yes free.

You can add Irish channels manually without a card. All you'll get however is teletext, no pictures or sound. Irish channels are subscription channels on Sky, not free.

Copyerselveson

On no account should you get a multiroom sub back in Ireland as Sky will insist the first and second box are connected to a phone line in the house in Ireland. This is to stop you doing what you want to do which is to take the second box to England.

There are IPTV boxes out there that give access to RTE etc, but they are expensive, aimed at the Spanish market and almost certainly illegal.

It's ridiculous in this day and age that we can't access our own TV legally abroad. People jump through fair amount of hoops to access the Irish channels outside Ireland when if RTE could provide their long promised FTA International channel none of this would be necessary.

The easiest way to access Irish TV is to subscribe to a VPN but even that is not guaranteed as RTE do spend time chasing the VPN providers.

Pity they couldn't spend the time instead giving us our TV back, but that's official Ireland for you.

radiowaves

Deleted User wrote: »

Hence the reason why there is no legit way to get Irish TV in the UK.

Overspill is just by accident, it isnt designed to provide a service to any other country other than Ireland.

That doesn't make the reception of Saorsat in GB illegitimate.

winston_1 wrote: »

No such thing as a Freesat card. Freesat is, guess, yes free.

Hmmm, Free to view channels are guess, yes free. But they require a viewing card

winston_1

radiowaves wrote: »

Hmmm, Free to view channels are guess, yes free. But they require a viewing card

Free to view channels are free to view, but not free to access. You cannot access them without paying a subscription to Murdoch, currently £25 for up to 5 years.

radiowaves

winston_1 wrote: »

Free to view channels are free to view, but not free to access. You cannot access them without paying a subscription to Murdoch, currently £25 for up to 5 years.

It was you who made a big deal out of the word "free"

winston_1 wrote: »

No such thing as a Freesat card. Freesat is, guess, yes free.

Plus, the free to view model does not only exist using Sky.

But anyway, people are not paying a subscription, they are paying for a piece of hardware that allows access to the channels which are otherwise free to view - there is a difference, but you know that of course.

Taking your argument to its logical extreme the fact that people have to pay for a TV or a receiver to access FTA channels makes them subscription too.

winston_1

radiowaves wrote: »

Taking your argument to its logical extreme the fact that people have to pay for a TV or a receiver to access FTA channels makes them subscription too.

Not at all. You can buy a TV set from whom you choose, and its life is dependent on how much you use it.
A sky FTV card however can only be bought from sky and they decide how long it will last before they make you buy another, clearly a form of subscription.

radiowaves

winston_1 wrote: »

Not at all. You can buy a TV set from whom you choose, and its life is dependent on how much you use it.
A sky FTV card however can only be bought from sky and they decide how long it will last before they make you buy another, clearly a form of subscription.

Actually, it's clearly not a subscription because, as already pointed out, you are paying for a piece of hardware and not entering into a contractual agreement.

Again, I'm certain you know this

But, as I've already pointed out, the use of the term FTV neither begins nor ends in relation to the services receivable via a Sky receiver.

I'm not sure why you think it does.

winston_1

radiowaves wrote: »

Actually, it's clearly not a subscription because, as already pointed out, you are paying for a piece of hardware and not entering into a contractual agreement.

Again, I'm certain you know this

But, as I've already pointed out, the use of the term FTV neither begins nor ends in relation to the services receivable via a Sky receiver.

I'm not sure why you think it does.

Call it what you like, but it is a regularly recurring (every 5 years) payment, and you are not paying for any hardware as the card belongs to sky and must be returned upon request (it says this on the card). There is a contractual agreement which says you must not export the card out of the UK (even to Ireland).

radiowaves

winston_1 wrote: »

Call it what you like, but it is a regularly recurring (every 5 years) payment, and you are not paying for any hardware as the card belongs to sky and must be returned upon request (it says this on the card). There is a contractual agreement which says you must not export the card out of the UK (even to Ireland).

Listen you and I both know it's not a subscription service so I'm leaving it at that

I'm still intrigued to know why you think free to view exclusively refers to Sky's channels but I guess the fact that you do gives an idea of where you're coming from

FreshCoffee

To the OP. One other option you could consider (if a satellite solution is not available) is to use a product like Slingbox. I have a friend living abroad who installed a Slingbox at his parents home in Dublin and using his own broadband he can watch any of the Irish TV channels at his home (or indeed wherever in the world he travels). It does require his parents to have broadband with a good upload speed to maximise picture quality but he tells me quality is very acceptable when he connects his PC to his main TV at home. It's a bit like having your own private IPTV setup with no ongoing costs (although he does give his parents a small annual financial contribution towards their broadband!).

winston_1

radiowaves wrote: »

I'm still intrigued to know why you think free to view exclusively refers to Sky's channels but I guess the fact that you do gives an idea of where you're coming from

I never said that at all. In fact the FTV channels on 28E are LFCTV, Motors TV, Sony TV and +1, and Sony Movies and +1. None of these are actually Sky channels.

I am aware of FTV arrangement in other countries as well. However the cards are not changed regularly like the sky cards, they are only changed if the encryption has been compromised.

radiowaves

winston_1 wrote: »

I never said that at all. In fact the FTV channels on 28E are LFCTV, Motors TV, Sony TV and +1, and Sony Movies and +1. None of these are actually Sky channels.

So who do you think the phantom "subscription" is with then?

Copyerselveson

OP It's a lot simpler to get a standalone Irish Sky subscription at a seperate property in the Republic, get a second hand box on ebay or buyandsell and ask Sky for a "second hand box contract". Pay your bill by direct debit from an Irish bank account and install the lot yourself. The box must never be connected to a phone line in the UK. And never call Sky.

Taking the box to England is not illegal but using it in England is in breach of your contract with sky. Sky are entitled to disconnect you if they find out you are using it outside the Republic.

winston_1

radiowaves wrote: »

So who do you think the phantom "subscription" is with then?

Sky without a doubt. They collect subscriptions for the channels they encrypt and pass on (maybe) some of it to the channels.

radiowaves

winston_1 wrote: »

Sky without a doubt. They collect subscriptions for the channels they encrypt and pass on (maybe) some of it to the channels.

That's weird. I said they were Sky channels, you argued that they weren't and now you're saying that they are!!!

Make up your mind ::rolleyes:

I guess you're confusing Sky the provider with the Sky branded TV channels - an easy mistake to make.

You are, of course, right about subscription money but, naturally, under the FTV scheme they pass on nothing - that's the point of it. There's nothing to pass on

mgbgt1978

winston_1 wrote: »

No, that is fraud. It is second room, not second country.

Good Man Winston. Back again with the word Fraud. It was only a matter of time.
Just because something is not in line with Sky's Terms and conditions does not make it fraudulent.

Sky can put it in their T&C that they can kill your first born if you do such and such......doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, better let you get back to work.....plenty of disgruntled Sky customers on hold no doubt.

winston_1

radiowaves wrote: »

That's weird. I said they were Sky channels, you argued that they weren't and now you're saying that they are!!!

Make up your mind ::rolleyes:

I guess you're confusing Sky the provider with the Sky branded TV channels - an easy mistake to make.

You are, of course, right about subscription money but, naturally, under the FTV scheme they pass on nothing - that's the point of it. There's nothing to pass on

I thought I was quite clear. They are not sky channels. They are channels that have decided to employ sky to encrypt and collect subs for. No doubt sky charge for this service and hopefully the income from subs pays for this.

winston_1

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Good Man Winston. Back again with the word Fraud. It was only a matter of time.
Just because something is not in line with Sky's Terms and conditions does not make it fraudulent.

It is nothing to do with T & Cs. You are paying a sub for a service at one address. If you use it at 2 addresses that is fraudulent.

radiowaves

winston_1 wrote: »

I thought I was quite clear. They are not sky channels. They are channels that have decided to employ sky to encrypt and collect subs for. No doubt sky charge for this service and hopefully the income from subs pays for this.

OMG now you're saying they AREN'T Sky channels - please, please make up your mind. You appear to be very

As I originally said, they are Sky channels (ie provided by Sky) and you've jumped back and forth since :rolleyes:

The income from what subs exactly?
FTV channels are not subscription channels; there is no income coming in there. The channels themselves would be paying Sky to be provided on their EPG and for the use of their encryption.
They have chosen to be funded by an advertising only model.

Let's be clear about this: the outlay for a card is a payment for a use of the hardware - I think you expect Sky and NDS to produce the cards and provide them for nothing? Do you?

When those cards are replaced (by NDS btw) for necessary security reasons every few years it appears that you again seem to believe that this hardware should be given out free of charge to people who only want the FTV channels. And because there is a charge for the hardware you appear to believe this makes the FTV model as provided via Sky a subscription model? I know you don't really believe that.

I've rarely seen anybody get so confused by the difference between Sky provided channels and Sky branded channels and I certainly have never seen such confusion over the FTV v subscription models.

You also need a Sky receiver to receive the FTV channels - are you seriously suggesting Sky should provide these for free to people using them for FTV channels only?

Obviously nobody would but if somebody wanted to use the Skybox for FTA channels only (perhaps to make use of the EPG for example) would the fact that Sky charge them for the receiver make those channels subscription?

Please think before you type mate

winston_1

radiowaves wrote: »

OMG now you're saying they AREN'T Sky channels - please, please make up your mind. You appear to be very

As I originally said, they are Sky channels (ie provided by Sky) and you've jumped back and forth since :rolleyes:

The income from what subs exactly?
FTV channels are not subscription channels; there is no income coming in there. The channels themselves would be paying Sky to be provided on their EPG and for the use of their encryption.
They have chosen to be funded by an advertising only model.

Let's be clear about this: the outlay for a card is a payment for a use of the hardware - I think you expect Sky and NDS to produce the cards and provide them for nothing? Do you?

When those cards are replaced (by NDS btw) for necessary security reasons every few years it appears that you again seem to believe that this hardware should be given out free of charge to people who only want the FTV channels. And because there is a charge for the hardware you appear to believe this makes the FTV model as provided via Sky a subscription model? I know you don't really believe that.

I've rarely seen anybody get so confused by the difference between Sky provided channels and Sky branded channels and I certainly have never seen such confusion over the FTV v subscription models.

You also need a Sky receiver to receive the FTV channels - are you seriously suggesting Sky should provide these for free to people using them for FTV channels only?

Obviously nobody would but if somebody wanted to use the Skybox for FTA channels only (perhaps to make use of the EPG for example) would the fact that Sky charge them for the receiver make those channels subscription?

Please think before you type mate

I've said all along they are NOT sky channels. They are channels who have chosen sky to distribute and encrypt. To receive they there is an ongoing cost, approx £5 per year, effectively a subscription, not good value in my opinion for what you get.

radiowaves

winston_1 wrote: »

I've said all along they are NOT sky channels. They are channels who have chosen sky to distribute and encrypt. To receive they there is an ongoing cost, approx £5 per year, effectively a subscription, not good value in my opinion for what you get.

If they have chose to be provided by Sky they are Sky channels when talking about the satellite platform mate.

Sky-owned channels is where I believe you are getting mixed up between the terms

So now you admit it is "effectively" a subscription in your opinion as opposed to actually a subscription :rolleyes:

So what you have been doing is arguing your opinion as if it was fact against somebody who was actually giving the facts. :rolleyes:

I must admit I've had some strange tete-a-tetes across a number of forums but this is right up there with the strangest I've either been involved in or seen.

It's been weird (to say the least) debating with you, have a nice day

winston_1

radiowaves wrote: »

If they have chose to be provided by Sky they are Sky channels when talking about the satellite platform mate.

They are not provided by Sky. Sky just provide the encryption. By your argument RTE are sky channels. Wonder what RTE would say about that.

radiowaves

winston_1 wrote: »

They are not provided by Sky. Sky just provide the encryption. By your argument RTE are sky channels. Wonder what RTE would say about that.

The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky channels mate :rolleyes:

Again you appear to be confusing Sky the service provider with Sky branded channels.

And considering RTÉ were delighted to jump under the Sky umbrella what do you think they'd say about that?

azzeretti

The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky channels mate

This statement is a bit ambiguous. The actual channel isn't a Sky channel, it's an Irish owned and run channel. It it's provided on the Sky platform (EPG location, encryption etc) via Sky services. The same channel, and broadcast content, is viewable on SoarSat or SaorView unrelated to Sky.
As it's part of a subscribed Sky package it can get confusing as to it being a Sky channel.

So : Irish channel, available in a subscribed package, maintained by Sky - in the context of Astra satellite. Nothing to do with Sky otherwise.

As an aside; there's a lot of nitpicking going on in this thread!!

radiowaves

azzeretti wrote: »

This statement is a bit ambiguous. The actual channel isn't a Sky channel, it's an Irish owned and run channel. It it's provided on the Sky platform (EPG location, encryption etc) via Sky services . The same channel, and broadcast content, is viewable on SoarSat or SaorView unrelated to Sky.
As it's part of a subscribed Sky package it can get confusing as to it being a Sky channel.
!

That's exactly what I'm saying - absolutely nothing ambiguous about it (especially as you actually quoted me specifying the version on 28.2)

I really don't know why you come to argue with me and then actually agree with me - apart from you too seem to be confusing Sky the service provider with channels owned by Sky directly. I can't see how it is in the slightest bit confusing but maybe that's nitpicking?

If there's another way of getting RTE on Astra apart from through Sky please share.

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Sky-UK.html (third transponder)

http://en.kingofsat.net/pack-skydigital.php (third transponder)

Note that in the main frame most FTA channels are classed as both Sky and Freesat channels - of course a lot of these channels are on other platforms too (much like your RTE example).

Let's makes this simple - there is Sky the distribution platform and Sky the content owner. It seems to be the case that for some people you need to specify which one you're referring to.

azzeretti

radiowaves wrote: »

That's exactly what I'm saying - absolutely nothing ambiguous about it

Eh, no. No, it's not even close to "exactly" to what you were saying. You said, and I quote :

The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky channels mate

Lets not go confusing what you meant to write with what you actually wrote, it is clear in the quote and the thread above.
By saying "RTÉ ... are Sky channels mate" you are explicitly stating that RTE ARE Sky channels. So, can we agree this far? That what you said

The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky channels mate

explicitily means: RTE are Sky channels (although you meant when on Astra but that is irrelevant in this context)

So, at best (I was being kind to you) your statement is ambigious, and at worst just complete nonsense. As, ACTUALLY RTE is an RTE channel.
It's like saying that when you but a HP PC, and it ships with Microsoft Office, that that version, of Office, is owned by HP!?
Sky simply provide a medium for RTE, BBC, FOX etc to distribute their content. The channels, ARE NOT SKY!

I was trying to clear up any confusion you seem to having by explaining to you (something you seem to have done to yourself furhter up the thread by the way) that Sky provide a service via Satellite and their encryption, EGP positioning etc is part of that service. And, on that service - should you subscribe - you can get RTE channels (but they are still actually owned by RTE).

I really don't know why you come to argue with me and then actually agree with me - apart from you too seem to be confusing Sky the service provider with channels owned by Sky directly. I can't see how it is in the slightest bit confusing but maybe that's nitpicking?

The nitpicking was aimed at some of the tiny facts people were focusing on throughout this thread. Everyone knows what you mean, and I'm pretty sure you know what winston_1 was meaning too. I just felt the point was being laboured way too much.

If you're going to be pedantic then expect the same in return:

The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky channels mate

In no universe is this statement correct.

radiowaves

azzeretti wrote: »

By saying "RTÉ ... are Sky channels mate" you are explicitly stating that RTE ARE Sky channels. So, can we agree this far? That what you said
explicitily means: RTE are Sky channels (although you meant when on Astra but that is irrelevant in this context)

I love the way you left out the very, very relevant in the context "the" before RTÉ and the "as provided on Astra" bit and then refer to pedantry - wonderful stuff

Let me make it simple for you

There is Sky the platform and there's Sky the channel owner.

You are still (for some very strange reason even despite me linking to satellite listing sites that make it just as obvious) confusing the first with the second.

The RTÉ channels are Sky channels (provided via Sky on Astra 28.2) but not Sky-owned channels (in the same way as - say - Sky1 is).

The RTÉ owned RTÉ channels are (FYI) also UPC channels, Saorsat channels and Saorview channels - ie they are also distributed on those platforms.

I didn't think the explanation needed to be made on a dedicated satellite forum but there you go

Mmm nitpicking eh!


But clever trick though - changing

"The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra 28.2 are Sky channels" to "RTÉ are Sky channels"

Gives you an excuse for a Friday evening rant.

azzeretti

radiowaves wrote: »

I love the way you left out the very, very relevant in the context "the" before RTÉ and the "as provided on Astra" bit and then refer to pedantry - wonderful stuff

Let me make it simple for you

There is Sky the platform and there's Sky the channel owner.

You are still (for some very strange reason even despite me linking to satellite listing sites that make it just as obvious) confusing the first with the second.

The RTÉ channels are Sky channels (provided via Sky on Astra 28.2) but not Sky-owned channels (in the same way as - say - Sky1 is).

The RTÉ owned RTÉ channels are (FYI) also UPC channels, Saorsat channels and Saorview channels - ie they are also distributed on those platforms.

I didn't think the explanation needed to be made on a dedicated satellite forum but there you go

Mmm nitpicking eh!


But clever trick though - changing

"The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra 28.2 are Sky channels" to "RTÉ are Sky channels"

Gives you an excuse for a Friday evening rant.

You seem to think that because some third party website lists something that it's gospel. Here (and this really is my last word on this because it's absolutly meaningless in any context and changes nothing).

You said (and it's verbatim)

The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky channels mate

This, in it's literal sense, is just wrong. RTE channels, on any platform, are RTE channels. The are just delievered via a platform (Sky, UPC etc). The channels legal ownership doesn't change. Therefor, RTE channels are RTE channels under any circumstance.

Especially from a legal standpoint it's blantantly obvious that (on any platform) the source of the transmission is the legal owner. To suggest that Sky - even when a channel is broadcast on their platform - own that channel is just wrong. Any legal issues are mitigated completly from Sky but remain on RTE. Your understanding is flawed I'm afraid and quoting a listing from a third party website doesn't change anything.

If Ryan Tubridy stands up on the next Late Late show and inflicts a libelous then he (and almost certainly RTE) are accountable. Do you beleive that Sky would be liable? That they have legal ownership and accountabilty for RTE's content? Well, they don't on any platform because RTE IS NOT A SKY CHANNEL

To be clear; I was not [and am not] ranting. I just felt the avenue the thread was going down was completly pointless and you seem to be labouring a point that doesn't really have any bearing on this thread, nor general satellite issues in general. The net result is - who really cares!?

Have a good weekend.

radiowaves

azzeretti wrote: »

You seem to think that because some third party website lists something that it's gospel. Here (and this really is my last word on this because it's absolutly meaningless in any context and changes nothing).

You said (and it's verbatim)

This, in it's literal sense, is just wrong. RTE channels, on any platform, are RTE channels. The are just delievered via a platform (Sky, UPC etc). The channels legal ownership doesn't change. Therefor, RTE channels are RTE channels under any circumstance.

Especially from a legal standpoint it's blantantly obvious that (on any platform) the source of the transmission is the legal owner. To suggest that Sky - even when a channel is broadcast on their platform - own that channel is just wrong. Any legal issues are mitigated completly from Sky but remain on RTE. Your understanding is flawed I'm afraid and quoting a listing from a third party website doesn't change anything.

If Ryan Tubridy stands up on the next Late Late show and inflicts a libelous then he (and almost certainly RTE) are accountable. Do you beleive that Sky would be liable? That they have legal ownership and accountabilty for RTE's content? Well, they don't on any platform because RTE IS NOT A SKY CHANNEL

To be clear; I was not [and am not] ranting. I just felt the avenue the thread was going down was completly pointless and you seem to be labouring a point that doesn't really have any bearing on this thread, nor general satellite issues in general. The net result is - who really cares!?

Have a good weekend.

At no point did I say that the RTÉ channels on the Sky platform are owned by Sky. Not once. At any point.

Of course I did say that the links to websites only served to offer a further explanation for you but if you need to twist quotes to engage in some strange points-scoring contest then that's par for the course, I suppose.

azzeretti

radiowaves wrote: »

At no point did I say that the RTÉ channels on the Sky platform are owned by Sky. Not once. At any point.

Therefor this is ambiguous

The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky channels mate

Because from the point of view of English being a first language, this statement, that you wrote, means exactly that.
"....ARE SKY CHANNELS" - means (whether you meant it or not) channel's having ownership, tending to Sky.

There's no twisting of anything. I was replying to your quote. Like I said, there is a difference between what you meant to say/write and what you actually wrote.

Just for the laugh - when you said "The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky channels mate". What do you mean, specifically the "...are Sky channels". How is this not ownership of the channels!?

Sometimes it's hard to gauge the tone of posts etc. I just want to make sure that what I'm saying in my posts are not meant to be anyway aggressive or derisory. Just healthy debate.
Like I said - it doesn't really matter, does it? Who really cares?

BobbyPropane

Aertv?

azzeretti

Someone alluded to this but the best bet is to add a second Irish sub in a house in Ireland. So, if your folks live in 10 Yourstreet, Your City, Ireland. Just call Sky and get a second sub at 10b Yourstreet, Your City, Ireland. You can then request a self install.

You will need an Irish credit card or account for the monthly sub. Also, things may have changed and you may not be able to self install. I certainly did, many times over the years. I just got a box, second hand, and Sky sent me the card which I called and paired. You may need to pair from an Irish landline too but once done you can ship the box across and you're laughing.

Disclaimer: It's about 8 years since I done this last, so it may not be possible!

radiowaves

azzeretti wrote: »

Therefor this is ambiguous

Because from the point of view of English being a first language, this statement, that you wrote, means exactly that.
"....ARE SKY CHANNELS" - means (whether you meant it or not) channel's having ownership, tending to Sky.

There's no twisting of anything. I was replying to your quote. Like I said, there is a difference between what you meant to say/write and what you actually wrote.

Just for the laugh - when you said "The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky channels mate". What do you mean, specifically the "...are Sky channels". How is this not ownership of they are Sky channels!?

Sometimes it's hard to gauge the tone of posts etc. I just want to make sure that what I'm saying in my posts are not meant to be anyway aggressive or derisory. Just healthy debate.
Like I said - it doesn't really matter, does it? Who really cares?

Last sentence is spot on I have to say but...

...the beauty of the language we speak is that words and sentences can mean a great many things and many meanings can be taken.

If I'd said: the RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky's channels then your point would be on the money

The RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28.2 are Sky channels could be taken to mean that they are owned by Sky but in the context of a discussion about satellite and platforms and service provision (which is how this all started) then the second meaning can also be inferred - and is the more obvious.

Let's face it if anybody on this forum needs explaining that RTÉ's channels are owned by RTÉ but are provided by Sky then we're all in trouble.

Pedantry reigns.

azzeretti

radiowaves wrote: »

If I'd said: the RTÉ channels as provided on Astra at 28,2 are Sky's channels then your point would be on the money

Ah Jaysus, that's clutching! Anyone, seemingly we're on the same hymn sheet.

Just for the record - I got the last word :cool:

radiowaves

azzeretti wrote: »

Ah Jaysus, that's clutching! Anyone, seemingly we're on the hymn sheet.

You are inferring a single meaning from a sentence that can have more than one meaning and I'm clutching

You are struggling to apply context to a sentence and I'm clutching :eek:

You can't see the difference between Sky the channel owner and Sky the platform and are boasting about it? (For the record both companies are called Sky)

The rest of your sentence I have no idea what it means - which is kind of ironic in a weird way

Copyerselveson

radiowaves wrote: »

You are inferring a single meaning from a sentence that can have more than one meaning and I'm clutching

You are struggling to apply context to a sentence and I'm clutching :eek:

You can't see the difference between Sky the channel owner and Sky the platform and are boasting about it? (For the record both companies are called Sky)

The rest of your sentence I have no idea what it means - which is kind of ironic in a weird way

I'm bored now.