WTF is a kipping pull up??

top madra

Hanley wrote: »

Dude... 25-50+% of people training "normally" have frickin' shoulder issues!

While I don't disagree with that, are you really gonna defend those things in that vid?

Come on man, really?

My shoulders hurt just from watching it!

LuckyLloyd

I don't feel particularly elitist or pompous tbh. I might be a prick, but I can't blame Crossfit for that!

top madra

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

I think I can safely say that no CrossFit gym would want you either.

Why?

conzy

Everytime I see this thread pop up it makes me hungry



dem low carbs

Stench Blossoms

top madra wrote: »

Why?

Well he's already formed his opinion of it and it's quite negative. Why would any gym want someone like that?

conzy

conzy wrote: »

Everytime I see this thread pop up it makes me hungry

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dem low carbs

feck ya!!

rubadub

This is a gymnastics coach's take on them

Kipping pull-ups, or Chinese pull-ups as I refer to them (as for many years this exercise has been a staple exercise in the Chinese developmental program for their young ones), are useful tool for easily increasing total amount of repetitions as well as developing elasticity in the shoulder girdle. They are also beneficial is developing a sense of rhythm and coordination. But most importantly, Chinese Pullups are an important initial first step in preparing the shoulder girdle to safely handle the stresses involved with high level plyometric-type elements. For example during a giant on the still rings, the shoulders will be exposed to forces of 7-10 times bodyweight in a micro-burst at the bottom-most portion of the swing :shock:.

Someone who already understands the mechanics of the movement can start from a hang, however I have found that it is usually easiest for beginners to begin from the top of the pull-up. To get the most benefit from a kipping motion on pull-ups I recommend utilizing the following technique:

1) Begin from a static hold at the top of the pull-up.
2) Drop as quickly as possible to the bottom of the pull-up. While the body is dropping press the shoulders (feel the arm pits STRETCH) forward and the hips backward. This will result in the body somewhat resembling a stretched out letter C with the hands on the bar, the shoulders slightly in front of the hands and the hips slightly behind the hands.
3) Bounce powerfully out of the bottom position. Use the momentum from the bounce to propel yourself back up to the bar, strongly reversing your body position on the way up. Do not attempt to stop precisely at the top of the bar, but allow the body to go as high as it wishes. Your may find that your hands are also hopping slightly off the bar at the top if your kip has been explosive enough. Finish with hands on the bar, shoulders slightly behind the hands and the hips slightly in front of the hands.
4) Do not pause at the top, but immediately use your speed and momentum to bounce down into another repetition.
5) This movement is self regulating. If you are not using the swing of the hips and shoulders in coordination the movement will become awkward and out of control and you will be unable to proceed to the next repetition.
6) Pay close attention to your hands. Several high rep sets of these can result in some spectacular blisters if you are not used to this kind of work.

If you find that the descent into the Chinese Pull-up is too powerful for you to comfortably handle, I would recommend that you simply spend some time practicing hanging tap swings. For practical fitness purposes, the hanging tap swing will be the portion of the Chinese Pullup where the body alternates powerfully between an arch and a hollow position. Begin a turn by slowly moving between the two positions and then gradually increasing the speed and power of the position reversals as the set progresses. Remember to focus on full extension of the shoulder girdle during each of the positions. If you find that you are swinging back and forth like a pendulum, rather than remaining relatively stationary; you are under-extending one side of the hanging tap swing in comparison to the other. Stop the set and begin again.

A favorite giant set of mine (all performed without coming off of the bar) is to perform deadhang pull-ups, immediately followed by Chinese Pull-ups and finishing with hanging tap swings. This would all constitute one set. An interesting variation to include in this giant set is to perform it while only hanging by the fingers with an open hand and no thumb on the bar 8).

Do not overindulge on Chinese Pullups; especially initially. The plyometric at the bottom of the movement, combined with the extended ROM can quickly exceed the current physical capacity of the new trainee. However included in prudent doses into your conditioning, Chinese Pull-ups will have a dramatic effect on your pulling and shoulder girdle strength.

Yours in Fitness,
Coach Sommer

https://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/topic/1258-chinese-pullups/

Alf Veedersane

Isn't there a difference between kipping and butterfly kipping as well.

Proper kipping doesn't look particularly rough, when done properly.

Hanley

top madra wrote: »

While I don't disagree with that, are you really gonna defend those things in that vid?

Come on man, really?

My shoulders hurt just from watching it!

What am I defending?

He's not you.

He weighs like 70kg and is very proficient at the movement.

There's a reason why lighter guys excel at bodyweight movements.

What am I defending?

It's a perfectly executed series of kipping pull ups.

Half the stuff I see in a normal gym every day makes my joints hurt watching it. But it never gets mentioned because it's just cooler to hate on crossfit.

top madra

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Well he's already formed his opinion of it and it's quite negative. Why would any gym want someone like that?

Tbf to him he asked a simple enough question before the thread went sideways, I doubt any gym/class would turn him away for having a different opinion on one of their exercises.

Hanley wrote: »

What am I defending?

He's not you.

He weighs like 70kg and is very proficient at the movement.

There's a reason why lighter guys excel at bodyweight movements.

What am I defending?

It's a perfectly executed series of kipping pull ups.

Half the stuff I see in a normal gym every day makes my joints hurt watching it. But it never gets mentioned because it's just cooler to hate on crossfit.

Ok, tbh I like a bit of a troll on here but I really couldn't be bothered.

I honestly feel sorry for anybody that gets taught that crap exercise.

dylbert

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Isn't there a difference between kipping and butterfly kipping as well.

Proper kipping doesn't look particularly rough, when done properly.

Yeah, the video posted earlier was of butterfly kipping, it's a pretty advanced movement only really used by experienced athletes in competition as they can bang out allot more reps using them.

Here's a video showing regular kips and butterfly kips.

Caliden

Instead of 7 minutes on how to do a kipping pullup without injuring yourself why not just spend 30 seconds on how to do a proper one?

evo2000

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Well he's already formed his opinion of it and it's quite negative. Why would any gym want someone like that?

Stop jumping to conclusions, miss know it all..i formed my opinion on people like yourself with you re witch-hunt mentality for anything that differs from you re opinion not everyone is as narrow minded as you.

dylbert

Caliden wrote: »

Instead of 7 minutes on how to do a kipping pullup without injuring yourself why not just spend 30 seconds on how to do a proper one?

Because anybody learning kipping pull ups will be able to do strict pull ups already.

Stench Blossoms

evo2000 wrote: »

Stop jumping to conclusions, miss know it all..i formed my opinion on people like yourself with you re witch-hunt mentality for anything that differs from you re opinion not everyone is as narrow minded as you.

FYI: I don't do CrossFit or have I any interest in it so no, i'm not on a witch hunt.

evo2000

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

FYI: I don't do CrossFit or have I any interest in it so no, i'm not on a witch hunt.

So why are you here then?

Stench Blossoms

evo2000 wrote: »

So why are you here then?

Yawn.

I don't like the witchunt people have against Crossfit.

Kippling pull ups serve a purpose in CrossFit.

evo2000

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Yawn.

I don't like the witchunt people have against Crossfit.

Kippling pull ups serve a purpose in CrossFit.

Making yourself look like quite the ass, id suggest putting the shovel down lol

In future avoid threads where you ve no interest in the topic please and THANK YOU!.

Yawn.

Stench Blossoms

evo2000 wrote: »

Making yourself look like quite the ass, id suggest putting the shovel down lol

In future avoid threads where you ve no interest in the topic please and THANK YOU!.

Yawn.

Will do. Have fun. Love ya babes xxx

evo2000

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Will do. Have fun. Love ya babes xxx

xoxoxo

Brian?

Too many reported posts to keep up with. Thread locked pending mod review.

Brian?

Thread reviewed. Not worth reopening IMO, PM me if you feel otherwise.