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Technology (too far)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,664 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Quite surprised at some of the resistance to tech.

    J

    If tech was completely free of charge in a monetary sense i'd imagine there'd be a lot less resistance ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Arsenium


    Yep. It is definitely an indulgence allright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Nemesis wrote: »
    Laser eye surgery might be more beneficial than a laser range finder in this case :p

    So its ok if you use the tech to help you, just as long as you do it before stepping onto the course?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭newport2


    GreeBo wrote: »
    So its ok if you use the tech to help you, just as long as you do it before stepping onto the course?

    Correcting a disadvantage you have is not really the same as using something to give yourself an advantage. (I'm in favour of both, but I think they're different)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    newport2 wrote: »
    Correcting a disadvantage you have is not really the same as using something to give yourself an advantage. (I'm in favour of both, but I think they're different)

    So its ok for me to take EPO to correct my puny muscular frame?
    Everyone's eyesight is naturally of a different standard.
    Not having a caddy or a yardage book is also a disadvantage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭newport2


    GreeBo wrote: »
    So its ok for me to take EPO to correct my puny muscular frame?
    Everyone's eyesight is naturally of a different standard.
    Not having a caddy or a yardage book is also a disadvantage.


    I'm all in favour of rangefinders, but I can see the point of those who aren't. I also don't think using a rangefinder is the same as correcting bad eyesight. If you do, let's agree to disagree.

    I can also differentiate between laser eye surgery and EPO, as can the R&A and USGA. Hence the latter is breaking the rules of golf (and any other sport), the former isn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    newport2 wrote: »
    I'm all in favour of rangefinders, but I can see the point of those who aren't. I also don't think using a rangefinder is the same as correcting bad eyesight. If you do, let's agree to disagree.

    I can also differentiate between laser eye surgery and EPO, as can the R&A and USGA. Hence the latter is breaking the rules of golf (and any other sport), the former isn't.

    Well you argued that using technology to correct a natural disadvantage was ok regarding eyeseight, but that you can see why some people think its not ok to use a DMD.

    I cant really see the difference, everyone is entitled to perfect eyesight but not everyone is entitled to a muscular frame? Why is eyesight special?

    Honestly its a somewhat tongue in cheek question, but I think the logic (of the question) is sound. There doesnt appear to be any real logic in the distinction between the two disadvantages imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭newport2


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Well you argued that using technology to correct a natural disadvantage was ok regarding eyeseight, but that you can see why some people think its not ok to use a DMD.

    I cant really see the difference, everyone is entitled to perfect eyesight but not everyone is entitled to a muscular frame? Why is eyesight special?

    Honestly its a somewhat tongue in cheek question, but I think the logic (of the question) is sound. There doesnt appear to be any real logic in the distinction between the two disadvantages imo.

    Bad eyesight is due to the eye focusing in the wrong place, ie in front or behind the retina. Your eye is not functioning the way it's supposed to. Correcting this is just that, a correction.

    Taking drugs to enhance your muscles is not correcting anything, it's manipulating it to your advantage. Hence it's banned.

    Using a DMD is just giving you information/confirmation that a caddie gives to a pro and that is allowed within the rules of the game.

    (FWIW, I know a young guy who's blind in one eye and has impaired vision in the other. He plays off 10 and is still improving, so he might argue the case that eyesight is not that important after all!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    newport2 wrote: »
    Bad eyesight is due to the eye focusing in the wrong place, ie in front or behind the retina. Your eye is not functioning the way it's supposed to. Correcting this is just that, a correction.

    Taking drugs to enhance your muscles is not correcting anything, it's manipulating it to your advantage. Hence it's banned.

    Using a DMD is just giving you information/confirmation that a caddie gives to a pro and that is allowed within the rules of the game.

    (FWIW, I know a young guy who's blind in one eye and has impaired vision in the other. He plays off 10 and is still improving, so he might argue the case that eyesight is not that important after all!)

    Having weak muscles or lack of flexibility could be argued the same way, your body not functioning as its "supposed" to though. I think we are somewhat conditioned to accept as normal what is really just an arbitrary line in the sand.
    When I was younger I played with a guy with a severe spine defect, he was playing to around 12 at the time, with no buggy etc and carried his clubs.
    Just goes to show... (Something!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭mister gullible


    Anybody know any low guys who don't use them ? less than 5 ?

    World Champion speedgolfer Rob Hogan from Cregmore Park plays sub 40 minute rounds (full 18 hole, on foot, carrying six clubs). He doesn't have time to even look at yardage markers. He went around in 74 winning the Oregon speedgolf open last year and 76 in the World Championships.
    Interestingly there is a 9 hole speedgolf league in Cregmore which throws up some interesting scores. It's foursomes and recently when visiting I saw two members go around the nine holes in 5 over in around 28 minutes. They couldn't believe it because their handicaps were something like 20 and 8. Just instinctive golf.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    I wouldn't be far off instinctive golf.

    But find I'm giving in to trends.

    I would even hit a 9 iron from 90 to 160 depending on situation.

    I couldn't say how far I hit clubs.
    Depends on how last few went. Even on the day.

    Most my golf in wind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Having weak muscles or lack of flexibility could be argued the same way, your body not functioning as its "supposed" to though. I think we are somewhat conditioned to accept as normal what is really just an arbitrary line in the sand.
    When I was younger I played with a guy with a severe spine defect, he was playing to around 12 at the time, with no buggy etc and carried his clubs.
    Just goes to show... (Something!)

    Reminds me of an observation from a couple of years ago while playing the junior scratch cup in Carlow which was a 36 hole event at the time. My playing partner was a Carlow member and asked if I noticed anything in particular about one of the players in the group behind. Nothing stood out, looked like your average player but carrying his clubs which is no mean feat over 36 holes on the best of days. Was informed however that he only had one leg so not only was he playing of single figures, walking 36 holes on a prosthetic but also carrying his clubs. Apparently he was also a good soccer player. Amazing what some people can achieve when they set their mind to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    I don't have a 70 or 40 yard shot. I read Pelz but I don't believe in it. It's all about look at it and just do it for me and it's usually surprisingly accurate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Anyone a lend of a charger for the weekend - mine still in Portugal :o:p:D


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Anyone a lend of a charger for the weekend - mine still in Portugal :o:p:D

    Whak kind do ya need? You can borrow my s1 watch if your stuck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Whak kind do ya need? You can borrow my s1 watch if your stuck.

    I should be grand after all of above -

    can always bug playing partners :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭shaneon77


    Fixde, should you get a range finder I'll be disappointed with you after the dressing down I got from you re: Using range finder too much. ��
    I don't spend that kinda money lightly (laser) so I look for as much value as possible. Its part of my game now. You'll grow to be reliant on it once you have it. Great tool on the course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭shaneon77


    Is there many lads wearing breeches and flat tweed caps at the boards outings? How do some of you manage to get the clubs home on the bicycles? ��
    I'd be willing to bet big money that 95% of you use a GPS to get to (away) golf courses but then come on boards.ie giving out about technology ON the golf course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    There are different rules for every day life and sport.

    I think we should distinguish between objecting to something in principle , but accepting a rule once it is signed off.

    It is like the long putter debate.

    It seems this battle is lost. On course Technology will be part of the game . I dont agree with it . But, will accept the rullings and the desire of the overwhelming majority of golfers.

    Even if I have been blocked from using a gps in an event.

    You don't have to become a martyr . It is not that important. All accept and move on. But rules change you need opinions.
    But sad to see kids not even been able to play a 30 yard chip without one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,664 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    shaneon77 wrote: »
    Is there many lads wearing breeches and flat tweed caps at the boards outings? How do some of you manage to get the clubs home on the bicycles? ��
    I'd be willing to bet big money that 95% of you use a GPS to get to (away) golf courses but then come on boards.ie giving out about technology ON the golf course.

    Dont have sat nav either. Another cost i simply cant afford.

    I use a map :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,000 ✭✭✭Russman


    You don't have to become a martyr . It is not that important. All accept and move on. But rules change you need opinions.
    But sad to see kids not even been able to play a 30 yard chip without one.

    All of this ^^^ , but especially the bolded part.

    The technology is here, its not going away. Doesn't mean we can't think its not necessarily a good thing all the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭newport2


    But sad to see kids not even been able to play a 30 yard chip without one.

    I've never seen anyone - kid or adult - use a rangefinder from 30 yards. Not disputing that you have, but the vast majority of people who have measuring devices do not use them from this close. This example is very much the exception and not the norm. (Any kids that I know do not have measuring devices at all. Ask what they want for xmas and they'll choose a new driver every time)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    newport2 wrote: »
    I've never seen anyone - kid or adult - use a rangefinder from 30 yards. Not disputing that you have, but the vast majority of people who have measuring devices do not use them from this close. This example is very much the exception and not the norm. (Any kids that I know do not have measuring devices at all. Ask what they want for xmas and they'll choose a new driver every time)

    Have to agree; the statement reeks of the usual mass hysteria dished up on this board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,000 ✭✭✭Russman


    Have to agree; the statement reeks of the usual mass hysteria dished up on this board.

    I'd totally agree that its not the norm, and I'm certainly not trying to start a "he said / she said" type debate, but I recently played in an open with a high profile junior/juvenile golfer, not going to name him on here, superb player, but he was certainly lasering 30/40 pitch shots. Hopefully he's the exception that proves the rule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭dar_cool


    newport2 wrote: »
    I've never seen anyone - kid or adult - use a rangefinder from 30 yards. Not disputing that you have, but the vast majority of people who have measuring devices do not use them from this close. This example is very much the exception and not the norm. (Any kids that I know do not have measuring devices at all. Ask what they want for xmas and they'll choose a new driver every time)

    Ive seen lads use them from closer than 30 yards so it's not mass hysteria, it's the truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    dar_cool wrote: »
    Ive seen lads use them from closer than 30 yards so it's not mass hysteria, it's the truth.

    I haven't and would suspect the majority haven't; plus I reckon those claiming to have witnessed this maybe exaggerating a little bit to try and make their point. The truth is it is not commonplace; and 1 or 2 people you (or Fix) have witnessed is not representative of most golfers.

    Ultimately if it's not holding up play, it's nobody else's fcuking business how anyone plays the game as long as it is within the rules. So yes it is mass hysteria and sneering at other golfers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Static M.e.


    I was going to create a separate post but this is related so...

    I was speaking with a friend of mine over the weekend about getting one of the Garmin S1 type watches and he said that if they tell you anything else apart from the yardage that they are illegal?

    Does this mean that you cannot use the Garmin S - range watches in a competition?

    Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    I was going to create a separate post but this is related so...

    I was speaking with a friend of mine over the weekend about getting one of the Garmin S1 type watches and he said that if they tell you anything else apart from the yardage that they are illegal?

    Does this mean that you cannot use the Garmin S - range watches in a competition?

    Thanks.

    What else does it tell you ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,138 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    alxmorgan wrote: »
    What else does it tell you ?

    The time :)

    Think that's ok though


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    PARlance wrote: »
    The time :)

    Think that's ok though

    Else all watch wearers would be breaking the rules for years :D

    I read something recently that claims wearing a watch loses you something in swing speed due to friction...be warned :D


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