Supermack's has to remove signage in Temple Bar

The Singing Beard

irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/council-orders-supermacs-to-change-signage-on-dublin-outlet-639134.html

Is this a step too far? After all, it's only a sign. It's not like the whole shop front was altered.

Is the government being too invasive here?

I think they are sticking their noses in where they're not welcome, however I do agree that a certain standard has to be maintained in the Temple Bar area, as it is one of the very few nice places in our Fair City.

Elmo

Strawwwbreeezz wrote: »

irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/council-orders-supermacs-to-change-signage-on-dublin-outlet-639134.html

Is this a step too far? After all, it's inly a sign. It's not like the whole shop front was altered.

Is the government being too invasive here?

I think they are sticking their noses in where they're not welcome, however I do agree that a certain standard has to be maintained in the Temple Bar area, as it is one of the very few nice places in our Fair City.

Spelling police/nazi ALERT be on guard OP!

Xios

We should be protesting in the streets! This is an infringement on our basic human rights! Oust the government! Stock up on Molotovs!

Saganist

I wouldn't class Temple Bar as a nice area at all.

Maximus Alexander

In before "There's a Dublin forum you know".

BattleCorp

That's the council wasting resources. The sign is no worse or better than most around.

Hey council, deal with real problems.

suicide_circus

There's a supermacs in TB?

carlmango11

I agree with the council. We should be protective of these types of areas. They important for our tourism industry and they have a lot of character.

Saganist

suicide_circus wrote: »

There's a supermacs in TB?

Yep just across from Fitzsimons.

MS.ing

so because it isnt bland dull and ****e they have to change it

yeah makes perfect sense :rolleyes:

looks pretty good actually, but would quickly look ****e if everyone else had the same idea.

heres an idea? close the horses door now, one like that looks fine but a row/square of them will look ****e, so just stop other ones from doing it now

GrumpyMe

Strawwwbreeezz wrote: »

irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/council-orders-supermacs-to-change-signage-on-dublin-outlet-639134.html

Is this a step too far? After all, it's only a sign. It's not like the whole shop front was altered.

Is the government being too invasive here?

I think they are sticking their noses in where they're not welcome, however I do agree that a certain standard has to be maintained in the Temple Bar area, as it is one of the very few nice places in our Fair City.

Well the Supermacs shop front in the Examiner piece doesn't resemble the online pics of Hunger Harry's...

The story said Dublin City Council objected - not the "Government"!

And as for maintaining Temple Bar "standards" and being a "nice place" - is that not stretching the imagination a bit?:rolleyes:

suicide_circus

Saganist wrote: »

Yep just across from Fitzsimons.

Oh yeah! Duh

SEPT 23 1989

I am delighted they are removing the culchie swill suppliers from Dublin

Lux23

They made McDonalds use subtle signage so I bet they had no choice but to tell SuperCulchies to do the same.

Barely There

Strawwwbreeezz wrote: »

I do agree that a certain standard has to be maintained in the Temple Bar area, as it is one of the very few nice places in our Fair City.

You need to get out more.

_Kaiser_

suicide_circus wrote: »

There's a supermacs in TB?

Saganist wrote: »

Yep just across from Fitzsimons.

Learn something new today.. check!

socheallaigh

The shopfront looks plastic, cheap and gaudy.
The byelaws are there for a reason. If a business can stick signage up willy-nilly the area would look pretty shabby in no time at all.

Also, this business of applying for retention has to stop.

Philo Beddoe

The picture in the Examiner article is of some random Supermacs somewhere. The Irish Times article has the actual shopfront.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/supermac-s-shopfront-too-traditional-for-temple-bar-1.1896312

catallus

Supermacs do a fine cheeseburger, whatever that beige sauce is, it's nice.

dub_skav

catallus wrote: »

Supermacs do a fine cheeseburger, whatever that beige sauce is, it's nice.

What colour does Mayo go when it's turned?

catallus

Black and Tan?

blackwhite

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

The picture in the Examiner article is of some random Supermacs somewhere. The Irish Times article has the actual shopfront.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/supermac-s-shopfront-too-traditional-for-temple-bar-1.1896312

Its Supermacs on Eyre Square in Galway, and the picture is from about 10 years ago.

smellmepower

DCC made sure that the McDonald's exterior in TB is very toned down compared to most of their restaurants,no reason Supermacs/Papa Johns shouldn't have to comply with the same rules.

MadsL

Fair play to see DCC finally having some sort of enforcement action in the papers, although I don't doubt that some civic minded individual was the spark for this. DCC have been incredibly lax over the years such that frankly Dublin's shopfronts are generally a gaudy mess.

Have a look at archiseek for some of the worse offenders (can't post a link at the minute as the site is down)

Riskymove

Strawwwbreeezz wrote: »

Is the government being too invasive here?

typical

If a regulator acts....condemned

if it didn't act.....condemned

MS.ing

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

The picture in the Examiner article is of some random Supermacs somewhere. The Irish Times article has the actual shopfront.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/supermac-s-shopfront-too-traditional-for-temple-bar-1.1896312

jesus wept

they make the place sound desirable! templebar is a kip

"the letters arent fancy enough for this area :mad: "

what the **** are they on!!

a bunch of knackers hanging around somewhere is a bunch of knackers hanging around somewhere, doesnt matter if the place looks cold modern steel or 'traditional'

there must be way more to this objection, with probably a competitor behind it

BeerWolf

Should they make the "Suparmac's" in italics?

MadsL

MS.ing wrote: »

jesus wept

they make the place sound desirable! templebar is a kip

"the letters arent fancy enough for this area :mad: "

what the **** are they on!!

a bunch of knackers hanging around somewhere is a bunch of knackers hanging around somewhere, doesnt matter if the place looks cold modern steel or 'traditional'

there must be way more to this objection, with probably a competitor behind it

Supermacs changed an awardwinning piece of 90s design to a hokey diddle-eye fake "traditional" shopfront without permission. It's pretty simple to see that you don't simply get to do what you want with a building.

Annasopra

Strawwwbreeezz wrote: »

irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/council-orders-supermacs-to-change-signage-on-dublin-outlet-639134.html

Is this a step too far? After all, it's only a sign. It's not like the whole shop front was altered.

Is the government being too invasive here?

I think they are sticking their noses in where they're not welcome, however I do agree that a certain standard has to be maintained in the Temple Bar area, as it is one of the very few nice places in our Fair City.

Meh.

No issue at all.

takamichinoku

For toursim purposes it's fairly important to get rid of that kind of ****e from places like Temple Bar, it's a lot harder to trick them into thinking the place is special otherwise! It's common enough of practice all over the world for touristy street spot things?

EyeSight

Barely There wrote: »

You need to get out more.

in defense of the OP, if temple bar is empty, it looks really nice.
I walked through on xmas day and it was nice.

usually though i find the place a s***hole

They were so strict on McDonalds i don't see why supermacs should be different. I hear they make mcDonalds close early to curb anti-social behaviour. If that's true it's a joke! Don't tackle the issues, don't provide more cops, but do make businesses(who have bouncers at night) close early :rolleyes:

Tail Docker

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

The picture in the Examiner article is of some random Supermacs somewhere. The Irish Times article has the actual shopfront.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/supermac-s-shopfront-too-traditional-for-temple-bar-1.1896312

Dafuqs wrong with that?

Teyla Emmagan

It's called planning law and I am all for it. People put shocking **** up outside their premises, either to get attention or because they just have no taste. We should be way stricter here with regard to fascia and signage IMO. Ruins an area for everyone else.

Teyla Emmagan

Tail Docker wrote: »

Dafuqs wrong with that?

Maybe I should have read the actual article... This issue is basically that they didn't apply for PP, fair enough. And it is a bit gick.

Saganist

Saganist wrote: »

I wouldn't class Temple Bar as a nice area at all.

I love walking around Temple Bar when I'm in Dublin, though I've only been there during the day so have never had to witness the shenanigans that go on at night.

It's a shame the place has such a bad rep 'cause it really does have a lot of potential. It's also unfortunate that you see corporate places like Supermacs, McDonalds, Subway, Starbucks etc. in what's supposed to be a cultural quarter with independent stores, but I guess it's better than there being more empty buildings and less employment in the area.

My name is URL

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

The picture in the Examiner article is of some random Supermacs somewhere. The Irish Times article has the actual shopfront.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/supermac-s-shopfront-too-traditional-for-temple-bar-1.1896312

That looks a million times better than the horrible steel shopfront was there before it =/


https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.345449,-6.264704,3a,63.3y,137.7h,79.11t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sV36VrvGVOXDbwZRVVaJbKQ!2e0

MadsL

My name is URL wrote: »

That looks a million times better than the horrible steel shopfront was there before it =/


https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.345449,-6.264704,3a,63.3y,137.7h,79.11t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sV36VrvGVOXDbwZRVVaJbKQ!2e0

The horrible is what the tenant did to it, not the fairly innocuous steel frame shopfront.

GarIT

I think if you own a building you should be able to do what you want with it. Other people haven't paid for it so they shouldn't have any say in how it looks.

Lapin

Tail Docker wrote: »

Dafuqs wrong with that?

Its missing the letter K.

MadsL

GarIT wrote: »

I think if you own a building you should be able to do what you want with it. Other people haven't paid for it so they shouldn't have any say in how it looks.

Yeah, that's a great way to run a city.

Tell me, if your neighbor decides to run a pig farm in the half of the semi-D that he owns, that also OK?

GarIT

MadsL wrote: »

Yeah, that's a great way to run a city.

Tell me, if your neighbor decides to run a pig farm in the half of the semi-D that he owns, that also OK?

That's somewhat different because it would be affecting your quality of life, constant noise, heavy machinery being around, etc. But when it's just visual I don't think anyone else should have a say.

Tail Docker

MadsL wrote: »

Yeah, that's a great way to run a city.

Tell me, if your neighbor decides to run a pig farm in the half of the semi-D that he owns, that also OK?

Fire ahead - As long as they have a pretty sign...

MadsL

GarIT wrote: »

That's somewhat different because it would be affecting your quality of life, constant noise, heavy machinery being around, etc. But when it's just visual I don't think anyone else should have a say.

What if your neighbour wants to recreate his house like a Swiss Cuckoo clock? Or a medieval castle? Still fine? How about a thick layer of stuffed animals? https://landofblogging.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/2004886.jpg

Cienciano

Saganist wrote: »

I wouldn't class Temple Bar as a nice area at all.

Your post was popular, so I think I must have the most unpopular opinions that you're wrong, temple bar is one of the nicest parts of Dublin. You get drunks there at night, but you get drunks outside every bar in the country at night.

GarIT

MadsL wrote: »

What if your neighbour wants to recreate his house like a Swiss Cuckoo clock? Or a medieval castle? Still fine? How about a thick layer of stuffed animals? https://landofblogging.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/2004886.jpg

Why not? It's not my house. I don't see any reason why some people get to decide what everyone else has to look like.

MadsL

GarIT wrote: »

Why not? It's not my house..

We all have to look at it though.

Not to mention the fact that lassaiz-faire planning regs have destroyed rural Irland with one-off housing.

There is nothing wrong in planning a city, a county or even a village. Basic planning rules help everyone.

GarIT

MadsL wrote: »

We all have to look at it though.

Not to mention the fact that lassaiz-faire planning regs have destroyed rural Irland with one-off housing.

There is nothing wrong in planning a city, a county or even a village. Basic planning rules help everyone.

It's not going to harm you from looking at it. I've never seen any housing problems in rural Ireland.

Tarzana

Strawwwbreeezz wrote: »

irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/council-orders-supermacs-to-change-signage-on-dublin-outlet-639134.html

Is this a step too far? After all, it's only a sign. It's not like the whole shop front was altered.

Is the government being too invasive here?

I think they are sticking their noses in where they're not welcome, however I do agree that a certain standard has to be maintained in the Temple Bar area, as it is one of the very few nice places in our Fair City.

Nope, totally agree with the government here. The facade is completely gaudy and tasteless.

Cienciano

GarIT wrote: »

I think if you own a building you should be able to do what you want with it. Other people haven't paid for it so they shouldn't have any say in how it looks.

That's pretty much what you could do up to the late 80's and it's the reason why dublin lost so many historic buildings.

GarIT

Cienciano wrote: »

That's pretty much what you could do up to the late 80's and it's the reason why dublin lost so many historic buildings.

I don't see too much of a problem with that.

Cienciano

GarIT wrote: »

I don't see too much of a problem with that.

You don't have a problem with this?
You're definitely in the minority.