Help me with RTE on non Saorview TV

joebre

My current setup is a multi-switch, sending a satellite signal via coax to a number of TV's where I watch BBC & ITV. I want to be able to watch RTE as well.
What do I need to do if I buy a combi receiver? How will I be able to tune in both RTE and BBC on a single coax cable. Because of the distance involved, there is no option but to connect via coax.

The Cush

joebre wrote: »

What do I need to do if I buy a combi receiver? How will I be able to tune in both RTE and BBC on a single coax cable. Because of the distance involved, there is no option but to connect via coax.

The multiswitch will combine both the satellite and aerial signal down a single cable. At the other end the signal will have to be split again before you feed it into the combi receiver's satellite and terrestrial tuners. A splitter like this or wallplate like this will split the 2 signals.

joebre

Thanks The Cush,

So I will take one of the outputs of the switch and run it into splitter, diving into 2 cables, one each for terrestrial and satellite inputs. What then comes out of the combi reciever ? A single coax running to the RF in on the TV?
How does the TV output the TV and terrestrial channels ?

The Cush

joebre wrote: »

So I will take one of the outputs of the switch and run it into splitter, diving into 2 cables, one each for terrestrial and satellite inputs. What then comes out of the combi reciever ? A single coax running to the RF in on the TV?
How does the TV output the TV and terrestrial channels ?

The combi box connects to the TV via scart or HDMI. I don't think any combi box box has a modulator to feed a signal to the TV's RF in. Channel changing is done via the combi box.

joebre wrote: »

How does the TV output the TV and terrestrial channels ?

Don't understand the question.

joebre

That's where I run into trouble. I can only get to the TV using coax. No option to use scart of HDMI because of cable run.
I have a triax tri-link where I use it to change channels on another box. Does this box output via coax ?

The Cush

joebre wrote: »

I have a triax tri-link where I use it to change channels on another box. Does this box output via coax ?

As I said above I don't think any combi box will output via RF. Your option in this case will be another Triax Tri-Link from the scart on the combi to the TV.

Bayonne

joebre wrote: »

I have a triax tri-link where I use it to change channels on another box. Does this box output via coax ?

Tri-Link is generally used with STBs that don't have an RF modulator. (Even the latest Sky boxes don't have modulators.)

Tri-Link includes an RF modulator, as well as the 'magic eye' capability. It's the Tri-Link that outputs a UHF analogue version of the currently selected channel on the STB over the coaxial cable, not the box itself. Tri-Link is fed via scart from the STB.

Any non-Sky box you manage to find with a modulator (some Technomates? maybe other more obscure brands?) won't have 'magic eye' capability without an add-on such as the Tri-Link anyway, so not much point seeking out combis with modulator if you need to change channels from another room.

I'm assuming this is for a wall mounted TV, & the STB can't be installed nearby?

khumbu

OP may not need the combi box if the TV has an mpeg4 decoder or is saorview approved.

Bayonne

khumbu wrote: »

OP may not need the combi box if the TV has an mpeg4 decoder or is saorview approved.

Thread title says 'non Saorview TV' but I suppose it's no harm to get the OP to confirm that this refers to an inability to decode the Saorview signal, rather than mere Saorview approval.

joebre

TV is from 2007.
Used as secondary TV
It is wall mounted and I want to be able to hide the box.
All my boxes are in a cabinet, with the multi-switch.
All are controlled by magic eye.
I have one Triax tri-link controlling a combi receiver already but that TV is connected by HDMI

Bayonne

joebre wrote: »

All my boxes are in a cabinet, with the multi-switch.
All are controlled by magic eye.
I have one Triax tri-link controlling a combi receiver already

So there's a terrestrial aerial in the system already? Obviously, another combi will need a feed from this. And the satellite-only boxes must be Sky boxes?

joebre wrote: »

My current setup is a multi-switch, sending a satellite signal via coax to a number of TV's where I watch BBC & ITV.

Would have been better worded: 'a multiswitch, co-located with a number of satellite tuners, & the outputs of these tuners are then distributed to remotely located TVs, via HDMI or UHF analogue'?

Or maybe the terrestrial aerial feed is routed through the multiswitch too, or is it just connected directly to the box(es) where it is needed? (The combi, maybe a Sky box RF-in.)

joebre

a multiswitch, co-located with a number of satellite tuners, & the outputs of these tuners are then distributed to remotely located TVs, via HDMI or UHF analogue

That describes my setup. Most of my boxes are Sky boxes and I control them via magic eye. One combi-receiver is connected via HDMI to a new Saorview TV. I control this receiver via the Triax tri-link
If I get another combi-receiver, i will have to put this alongside my other boxes. The only connection to the non Saorview TV's in via coax.
Will the Traix tri-link be able to modulate both RTE and BBC and will I be able to switch between terrestrial and satellite from the TV end?

Bayonne

joebre wrote: »

Will the Traix tri-link be able to modulate both RTE and BBC and will I be able to switch between terrestrial and satellite from the TV end?

Yes to both questions.

joebre wrote: »

One combi-receiver is connected via HDMI to a new Saorview TV. I control this receiver via the Triax tri-link

The Tri-Link has an RF-in socket: if you haven't done already, you can connect an aerial feed to this & send the aerial signal to the TV's Saorview tuner. This could be useful if you are recording a Saorview programme on the combi receiver, & you want to watch a programme on another Saorview channel not on the same multiplex. Just make sure the Tri-Link output channel doesn't conflict with the Saorview broadcast channels.

Since the existing combi feeds its TV via HDMI, it would actually be possible to use the single Tri-Link you already have, to work with both combi boxes, provided their remote control signals did not conflict. Presumably they'd need to be different makes, or models at least for this to work.

joebre

The scale of what I am trying to do is as follows;
I have 4 bedrooms, with 2 x 19", 27" & 32" TV's.
All are slim and are wall mounted but none of these are Saorview compatible.

I want to be able to view both RTE & BBC on all.
The choice is whether to replace all 4 TV's with new Saorview models or to buy combi-receivers and Triax tri-link units for each TV.
The big consideration is that there is only coax leading to each TV position

Bayonne

joebre wrote: »

The choice is whether to replace all 4 TV's with new Saorview models or to buy combi-receivers and Triax tri-link units for each TV.
The big consideration is that there is only coax leading to each TV position

Combi TVs are available with both terrestrial & satellite tuners built-in: Samsung & Panasonic Freesat TVs (32" & up), the entire LG range, if I'm not mistaken (26" & up). Seamless switching between terrestrial & satellite doesn't seem to be a consideration in the design of these TVs, so the procedure could involve a bit of button-pressing, certainly there will be no integrated channel list. Combis are also available from the likes of Walker & Cello, & these might have smaller screen sizes available & a less ponderous method of switching between tuners.

As for the single coaxial cable, if this is any way decent quality, it should have no problem supplying the terrestrial tuner & 1 satellite tuner at each TV.

Bayonne

The Tri-Link has an RF-in socket: if you haven't done already, you can connect an aerial feed to this & send the aerial signal to the TV's Saorview tuner. This could be useful if you are recording a Saorview programme on the combi receiver, & you want to watch a programme on another Saorview channel not on the same multiplex.

And first routing the aerial via Skybox RF would give access to another satellite tuner too ...

Technofobe

Is the op thinking of a new receiver ?

Technofobe

If so
http://www.amazon.co.uk/ICECRYPT-S3700CHD-Triple-Tuner-Terrestrial-BLACK/dp/B00BCKTJBI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1408092024&sr=8-2&keywords=amiko+alien+2

This one has an RF out
Im not saying if its any good or not just that it has the rf out on a combi box it is fairly rare
When I bought my alien 2 I was unable to find a combi with a RF out I wanted one for the telly in the kitchen
What I did in the end was a mini pc to stream the video from alien to the spare tv using a cubieboard works great

Obviously some research would be required to see it the terrestial tuner works for saorview ?

joebre

I have an Amiko Alien 2 that is connected via HDMI to my new Saorview TV. I use a Triax tri-link to control this as the receiver is in a different room to the TV.
Do you think I should see if I can output through RF to the older TV.
What is the story with the single output to the older TV?

Bayonne

joebre wrote: »

What is the story with the single output to the older TV?

What do you mean? The coaxial cable can feed the TV's tuners: digital signal from aerial or satellite dish, analogue from a modulator fed from an STB.

Also can carry remote control signals from 'magic eye' back to Tri-Link or Sky box.

joebre

What I need to know is can the one coax do both as I have no option to run any other cable other than coax. Is it a menu option on the Amiko to toggle between terrestrial and satellite?

Bayonne

The modulator just takes an analogue video & audio feed from the STB: it doesn't know or care if it's a satellite or terrestrial channel.

All that's output by the modulator is PAL video & FM mono audio in a UHF channel (double sideband) for the TV's analogue tuner.

Bayonne

Simply put, in terms of function, the box feeding the TV(s) via RF, will work exactly the same as that using HDMI.

Picture & sound quality is what you lose.

joebre

Just trying to work out the RF output from the STB.
Will it output to a single channel on the TV (like my Sky box) and the channels will change on the STB when I use the remote and Triax tri-link?

Bayonne

joebre wrote: »

... Will it output to a single channel on the TV (like my Sky box) and the channels will change on the STB when I use the remove and Triax tri-link?

'Remote' rather than 'remove'?

If so, yes. You say you already have an Amiko Alien receiving its remote commands via the Tri-Link, so you should be able to see the IR emitter from the Tri-Link pointing at the IR sensor on the Alien. IIRC, some Triax branded receivers (the TSC114 combi anyway) have a socket on the rear for a wired connection from the Tri-Link for the remote commands, rather than using the emitter, although the extra 'tidiness' of this arrangement won't be a concern with your setup.