Danny Garcia vs. Rod Salka 9th Aug-14

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Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Danny Garcia up against a relative nobody tomorrow night. Big interest in the undercard though, Daniel Jacobs after overcoming cancer is in a Middleweight title fight. It's for the regular WBA belt as far as I'm aware although Golovkin is obviously the WBA champ but there are belts for everyone these days. Still though would be a great story to see him win, got some nice KO power in him too.

What a farce of fight, dear lord.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuGcIJyQbn4

The fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImcPnKflwGI

walshb

It was a wicked KO. One sided beat down.

Frankie Lee

Another Al Heymon job of putting absolute bums in big fights, hopefully Showtime are losing money on this rubbish.

Johner

Pretty disgraceful Garcia fighting someone ranked that low but jaysus that hook would knock out a horse!

Frankie Lee

Johner wrote: »

Pretty disgraceful Garcia fighting someone ranked that low but jaysus that hook would knock out a horse!

It should have been stopped well before that however, bad refereeing.

Talib Fiasco

Johner wrote: »

Pretty disgraceful Garcia fighting someone ranked that low but jaysus that hook would knock out a horse!

It's quite incredible. They're very few if any welterweights that could have taken that punch. It's the one thing Swift will always have. I am of the opinion that he'll never be as good as the Matthyse fight... I think Matthyse did some serious damage to him that night that his body couldn't take and hasn't recovered since. It's kind of like Bradley after fighting Provo, it was clear he lost a bit of himself in that ring that night. I am disgusted Garcia gave a fight to that guy but I think he just is hoping to miraculously get a fight with Floyd and preserve his record until that fight.

walshb

I just wanna' see Garcia in with real quality. Pac/JMM/Bradley/Mattysse II.... I am still not sold on him. Even Bradon Rios in there would be a hell of a scrap.

Frankie Lee

After what happened down in Puerto Rico they don't want to take any chances with him.

I see the mandatory challenger for Lamont Peterson's IBF title is this hard hitting Argentine.

47 wins no defeats, 2 wins by ko.

Peterson won't have to worry about a repeat of the Matthyse fight.

Talib Fiasco

walshb wrote: »

I just wanna' see Garcia in with real quality. Pac/JMM/Bradley/Mattysse II.... I am still not sold on him. Even Bradon Rios in there would be a hell of a scrap.

Would love to see him fight Matthysse again but now that you mention it a scrap with JMM would be incredible...would love that one myself

megadodge

I've never been sold on Garcia.

Two wins over an ancient and much smaller Morales.

Getting an absolute pasting by Amir Khan and lands a Sunday punch on the worst chin in boxing, but still struggled to put him away and strangely enough by the time the ref actually does stop it Khan seemed to have gotten over the worst of it.

Fades badly against Zab Judah who's notorious for fading badly himself and is really hanging on by the end.

On paper has a very good win against Matthyse, until you see the state of the Argentine's eye for a large portion of the fight. When the eye miraculously opens at the end of the fight, it's all Mattthyse again. I personally feel he would have been outpointed by a two-eyed Matthyse and would also be in a rematch.

Gets a dubious decision from the judges against the decent but nothing special Mauricio Herrera.

And that's it. I feel he's one of the most overrated fighters in the whole of boxing, but hey, he's a nice kid-next-door type from the USA and the networks seem to like him, so what do I know?

Johner

megadodge wrote: »

I've never been sold on Garcia.

Two wins over an ancient and much smaller Morales.

Getting an absolute pasting by Amir Khan and lands a Sunday punch on the worst chin in boxing, but still struggled to put him away and strangely enough by the time the ref actually does stop it Khan seemed to have gotten over the worst of it.

Fades badly against Zab Judah who's notorious for fading badly himself and is really hanging on by the end.

On paper has a very good win against Matthyse, until you see the state of the Argentine's eye for a large portion of the fight. When the eye miraculously opens at the end of the fight, it's all Mattthyse again. I personally feel he would have been outpointed by a two-eyed Matthyse and would also be in a rematch.

Gets a dubious decision from the judges against the decent but nothing special Mauricio Herrera.

And that's it. I feel he's one of the most overrated fighters in the whole of boxing, but hey, he's a nice kid-next-door type from the USA and the networks seem to like him, so what do I know?

You can go over anyone's record and pick holes in it, I agree he is a bit overrated now though. He went from being underrated to being a bit overrated but he is still a world class fighter.

Khan does have a terrible chin but he had still only been KO'd once before he met Garcia, losing the first few rounds to someone with the speed Khan has is no shame, it's a 12 round fight anyway and he finished him off in the 4th, it wasn't just a lucky shot that put Khan down it was that unreal left hook.

The point about the Matthyse fight is pretty annoying, Garcia closed the eye with punches, it was a very good performance, he went toe to toe with Matthyse and came out on top. He was the one who closed the eye, it wasn't by luck, he was landing bombs on him. Who's to say the same thing wouldn't happen if they met again? Picking a hole in the win over Matthyse is very harsh.

Talib Fiasco

Johner wrote: »

You can go over anyone's record and pick holes in it, I agree he is a bit overrated now though. He went from being underrated to being a bit overrated but he is still a world class fighter.

Khan does have a terrible chin but he had still only been KO'd once before he met Garcia, losing the first few rounds to someone with the speed Khan has is no shame, it's a 12 round fight anyway and he finished him off in the 4th, it wasn't just a lucky shot that put Khan down it was that unreal left hook.

The point about the Matthyse fight is pretty annoying, Garcia closed the eye with punches, it was a very good performance, he went toe to toe with Matthyse and came out on top. He was the one who closed the eye, it wasn't by luck, he was landing bombs on him. Who's to say the same thing wouldn't happen if they met again? Picking a hole in the win over Matthyse is very harsh.

I honestly would put my mortgage if I had one on Matthyse to win a rematch with Garcia.

Johner

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I honestly would put my mortgage if I had one on Matthyse to win a rematch with Garcia.

Based on what?

Johner

pac_man wrote: »

For fighting with one eye for half of their previous fight.

That's because his defence wasn't good enough. Garcia has a better boxing brain than Matthysse, as well as a rock solid chin. It's amazing how overrated Mattysse is on this forum, he is a very good fighter but he gets a ridiculous overrating here.

Talib Fiasco

Johner wrote: »

Based on what?

I mentioned it before. I feel Matthyse was raw in that fight and learned more by losing that one. He also gave Garcia a savage beating even though he received one himself. I feel Garcia will never fully recover from that fight. And yeah the closed eye is a big factor too.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Getting an absolute pasting by Amir Khan and lands a Sunday punch on the worst chin in boxing, but still struggled to put him away and strangely enough by the time the ref actually does stop it Khan seemed to have gotten over the worst of it.

On first viewing I thought this, but looking again at the fight Khan wasn't all that ahead or dominant. He was winning, but you could see that Garcia was effective, and laying traps. He was thinking in there. Had Khan made it past that last rd I still think he would have been hunted down. Garcia was in no fear of him at that stage.

FTA69

It's a bit sad to see people trotting out the "lucky punch" argument. Garcia went into that ring and bided his time. He was reading Khan well and was awaiting to set up a counter shot in the midst of Khan's flurries. That's exactly what he did, he threw a peach of a counter left hook that was perfectly timed and put his man down. It's not as if he had his eyes closed, head down and was swinging for the fences.

Ye'll be telling us Juan Marquez's KO of Pacquiao was a "lucky punch" next.

megadodge

FTA69 wrote: »

It's a bit sad to see people trotting out the "lucky punch" argument. Garcia went into that ring and bided his time. He was reading Khan well and was awaiting to set up a counter shot in the midst of Khan's flurries. That's exactly what he did, he threw a peach of a counter left hook that was perfectly timed and put his man down. It's not as if he had his eyes closed, head down and was swinging for the fences.

Ye'll be telling us Juan Marquez's KO of Pacquiao was a "lucky punch" next.

Eh, that's exactly what he did. Take a look again.

And that's after he tried a few very, very wild ones before that, where he missed by the proverbial mile and looked like a complete novice.


Having said all that, I've said before I don't believe in 'lucky punches', simply because if you intentionally throw a punch to hit an opponent and it hits him, how can it be lucky? I still believe that, but it was a long way from being this perfectly timed beautiful counter many would have you believe, especially when you see his previous attempts at the same thing.

megadodge

Johner wrote: »

You can go over anyone's record and pick holes in it, I agree he is a bit overrated now though. He went from being underrated to being a bit overrated but he is still a world class fighter.

Khan does have a terrible chin but he had still only been KO'd once before he met Garcia, losing the first few rounds to someone with the speed Khan has is no shame, it's a 12 round fight anyway and he finished him off in the 4th, it wasn't just a lucky shot that put Khan down it was that unreal left hook.

The point about the Matthyse fight is pretty annoying, Garcia closed the eye with punches, it was a very good performance, he went toe to toe with Matthyse and came out on top. He was the one who closed the eye, it wasn't by luck, he was landing bombs on him. Who's to say the same thing wouldn't happen if they met again? Picking a hole in the win over Matthyse is very harsh.

With regard to eye injuries in fights, there's nothing more annoying than watching a good fight being stopped because of an eye injury - Lewis / Klitchko being a perfect example. The cut was caused by a punch, but a great fight was stopped just when it was virtually impossible to tell what was going to happen next. I certainly believe, ugly and all as it was, the cut wasn't affecting Klitchko much at all, he got it in the second round don't forget.

Anyway I digress, most eye swellings like Matthyse had are not caused by punches, but rather by head clashes, thumbs or stray elbows. It's very unusual for a clean punch to do that. If they fought 10 more times it's unlikely a swelling like that would occur, hence the 'what ifs' and 'if onlys' you get from Matthyse's supporters. It's not as if Garcia had a carefully planned stategy which included making Matthyse's eye swell. It was a very lucky break, which he took advantage of, but it's pretty obvious that Garcia's dominance only occurred when the eye was shut. As I said when it opened again late in the fight Matthyse got on top again. That's no coincidence.

Boxing history is littered with eye swellings on fighters with very good defences, all it takes is one accidental clash. Saying Matthyse's defence wasn't good enough is weak - Look at Sugar Ray Leonard's face starting the fateful 13th round v Tommy Hearns, do you think he didn't have a good defence?

walshb

Garcia did not at all dominate Lucas. Closely fought fight throughout. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Lucas won a rematch, and by KO. There was an instance in the 9th or 10th where Lucas landed a straight right to Garcia's jaw that rocked him very badly, ad knocked out the gum shield. The fight was then halted I think and it allowed Garcia to regain his senses.

BTW, I forgot to add in Provodnikov vs. Garcia. My god, Provodnikov makes for the best matches ever.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Johner wrote: »

You can go over anyone's record and pick holes in it, I agree he is a bit overrated now though. He went from being underrated to being a bit overrated but he is still a world class fighter.

Khan does have a terrible chin but he had still only been KO'd once before he met Garcia, losing the first few rounds to someone with the speed Khan has is no shame, it's a 12 round fight anyway and he finished him off in the 4th, it wasn't just a lucky shot that put Khan down it was that unreal left hook.

The point about the Matthyse fight is pretty annoying, Garcia closed the eye with punches, it was a very good performance, he went toe to toe with Matthyse and came out on top. He was the one who closed the eye, it wasn't by luck, he was landing bombs on him. Who's to say the same thing wouldn't happen if they met again? Picking a hole in the win over Matthyse is very harsh.

Id agree with this. I thought Garcia was fantastic against Matthysse. Nobody gave him a snow balls chance of winning that fight. And imo he took Matthysse to school. It was an excellent performance.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

I'm sorry but how did he take him to school when two judges have him winning by a round.

And even forgetting the scores, which at times may not reflect the real action, the fight was very competitive. Danny started to pull away and have more clear success when Luca's eye started to close, but it was still competitive throughout.

Garcia ha really fought nobody dangerous apart from Lucas. Khan isn't a dangerous fighter.

FTA69

megadodge wrote: »

Eh, that's exactly what he did. Take a look again.

Nope. He waited til Khan was mid combination (Khan was attempting a left hook of his own, dropped his right) and Garcia clocked him with a perfectly timed wide hook of his own. It was a quintessential counter punch.

walshb

FTA69 wrote: »

Nope. He waited til Khan was mid combination (Khan was attempting a left hook of his own, dropped his right) and Garcia clocked him with a perfectly timed wide hook of his own. It was a quintessential counter punch.

It appeared wild and lucky because Garcia dropped his head a bit. But you could see the intent and thinking just as he was engaging the punch.

Gorman700

pac_man wrote: »

For fighting with one eye for half of their previous fight.

Ya, your not really getting it here bud. Garcia, closed that eye, Matthysse didn't stick a f*ucking patch on it to let Danny win, Danny used his skills to close it, simple as that.

Why you'd put your house on it is beyond me. Matthysse lost that fight fair and square. RULE NO.1, keep your hands up, Matthysse may have own that night if I was in his corner! :-) and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle!

Johner

megadodge wrote: »

With regard to eye injuries in fights, there's nothing more annoying than watching a good fight being stopped because of an eye injury - Lewis / Klitchko being a perfect example. The cut was caused by a punch, but a great fight was stopped just when it was virtually impossible to tell what was going to happen next. I certainly believe, ugly and all as it was, the cut wasn't affecting Klitchko much at all, he got it in the second round don't forget.

Anyway I digress, most eye swellings like Matthyse had are not caused by punches, but rather by head clashes, thumbs or stray elbows. It's very unusual for a clean punch to do that. If they fought 10 more times it's unlikely a swelling like that would occur, hence the 'what ifs' and 'if onlys' you get from Matthyse's supporters. It's not as if Garcia had a carefully planned stategy which included making Matthyse's eye swell. It was a very lucky break, which he took advantage of, but it's pretty obvious that Garcia's dominance only occurred when the eye was shut. As I said when it opened again late in the fight Matthyse got on top again. That's no coincidence.

Boxing history is littered with eye swellings on fighters with very good defences, all it takes is one accidental clash. Saying Matthyse's defence wasn't good enough is weak - Look at Sugar Ray Leonard's face starting the fateful 13th round v Tommy Hearns, do you think he didn't have a good defence?

Fair enough, I think it would be another war between the two but think Garcia just has a better boxing brain than Matthysse and this is what would ultimately win it for him again.

megadodge

Gorman700 wrote: »

Ya, your not really getting it here bud. Garcia, closed that eye, Matthysse didn't stick a f*ucking patch on it to let Danny win, Danny used his skills to close it, simple as that.

Why you'd put your house on it is beyond me. Matthysse lost that fight fair and square. RULE NO.1, keep your hands up, Matthysse may have own that night if I was in his corner! :-) and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle!

You're really not getting it.

As I said already "Boxing history is littered with eye swellings on fighters with very good defences, all it takes is one accidental clash. Saying Matthyse's defence wasn't good enough is weak - Look at Sugar Ray Leonard's face starting the fateful 13th round v Tommy Hearns, do you think he didn't have a good defence?"

megadodge

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Id agree with this. I thought Garcia was fantastic against Matthysse. Nobody gave him a snow balls chance of winning that fight. And imo he took Matthysse to school. It was an excellent performance.

How come he didn't "take him to school" in any round that Matthyse's eye was NOT closed?

That alone proves that the eye injury had a major bearing on this fight and it was still very close.

Gorman700

megadodge wrote: »

You're really not getting it.

As I said already "Boxing history is littered with eye swellings on fighters with very good defences, all it takes is one accidental clash. Saying Matthyse's defence wasn't good enough is weak - Look at Sugar Ray Leonard's face starting the fateful 13th round v Tommy Hearns, do you think he didn't have a good defence?"

Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns, what has this got to do with Garcia vs Matthysse? Show me where his eye swelled from a head clash, thumb or elbow. Then show me where Gracia DIDNT use any of his skills to punish that eye to aid his victory. Just because eyes swell up and ruin fights (which I agree with) doesn't mean that happened here. Your giving Garcia zero credit for what he did against Matthysse, which is close his eye and go toe to toe with a seriously dangerous fighter.

Gorman700

pac_man wrote: »

I never said anything about putting my house on the fight. He fought for 6+ rounds with one eye and the fight was still close. Garcia started to pull away from the second half of the fight on the basis of Matthysse's injury. If they fight again, I think Matthysse would win. Remind me what part I'm not getting?

The part where you think Matthysse would win the rematch.

Gorman700

pac_man wrote: »

OK so because my opinion differs from yours, I'm the one that doesn't get it. Perfect logic.

Absolutely! Joking aside, Garcia deserves a lot of credit for that fight, a lot more than you seemed to be giving him. For the record I'm a HUGE Matthysse fan!

megadodge

FTA69 wrote: »

Nope. He waited til Khan was mid combination (Khan was attempting a left hook of his own, dropped his right) and Garcia clocked him with a perfectly timed wide hook of his own. It was a quintessential counter punch.

You said "It's not as if he had his eyes closed, head down and was swinging for the fences". If you believe that then pause the following link at exactly 1m29s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ufHfcGugY

Is his head up or down?
Is he looking at Khan or looking somewhere behind himself?
I can't ask about his eyes being closed because we can't see them, which might have something to do with the previous two questions.

Garcia had thrown the same shot over and over again before that and it hadn't connected and I truely believe it had more to do with Khan walking into it than Garcia's timing. A crucial mistake by Khan (not for the first time).

Gorman700

pac_man wrote: »

If you read my previous post I stated that was Garcia's best performance. Don't get me wrong, I'm not this hardcore Matthysse fan that gets defensive when he gets criticised. I distinctly remember watching that fight at the time and thinking if they fought again that would be a totally different outcome.

I suppose we all see different things in fights. I do think for one that Garcia is sh*itting the course of late and needs to get a grip. What is he doing, he's the top dog at 140, he should be being forced to fight top 5 fighters only!

Gorman700

megadodge wrote: »

You said "It's not as if he had his eyes closed, head down and was swinging for the fences". If you believe that then pause the following link at exactly 1m29s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ufHfcGugY

Is his head up or down?
Is he looking at Khan or looking somewhere behind himself?
I can't ask about his eyes being closed because we can't see them, which might have something to do with the previous two questions.

Garcia had thrown the same shot over and over again before that and it hadn't connected and I truely believe it had more to do with Khan walking into it than Garcia's timing. A crucial mistake by Khan (not for the first time).

He throws that head down, look away hook all the time. It's so wrong, I don't know how he was ever allowed by his trainers to keep throwing it. I know it has success, but a more controlled hook would have success, more often!

megadodge

Gorman700 wrote: »

Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns, what has this got to do with Garcia vs Matthysse? Show me where his eye swelled from a head clash, thumb or elbow. Then show me where Gracia DIDNT use any of his skills to punish that eye to aid his victory. Just because eyes swell up and ruin fights (which I agree with) doesn't mean that happened here. Your giving Garcia zero credit for what he did against Matthysse, which is close his eye and go toe to toe with a seriously dangerous fighter.

You said "RULE NO. 1 Keep your hands up" as if Matthyse was some sort of face-first slugger who kept walking into the same punch over and over which eventually closed the eye. That was not the case. Obviously if you believe it was, then the same logic applies to Sugar Ray Leonard when his eye was swelling very badly at the beginning of the 13th round. He must have forgotten about RULE NO. 1 too? It's comparing like with like.

It's also very obvious that an opponent who can't see half your offense is easier to hit than one who can see all of it, which is why Danny's skills were an awful lot more evident when Matthyse's eye was closed than when it was opened - both before and after the swelling.

How anybody can watch that fight and not take the closing of the eye into consideration is beyond me and that's my problem with the praise Garcia gets for it. He gets a lot of praise for the result mainly because he was a big underdog, but IMO it should have an asterisk beside it, just like the Lewis/Klitchko fight has. That fight didn't have a natural ending and folks are still arguing over it and I think because of the obvious effect the injury had in this fight the only way to sort it, is to have a rematch. If Garcia were to win, I can guarantee you he'd get a lot of praise from me.

Gorman700

megadodge wrote: »

You said "RULE NO. 1 Keep your hands up" as if Matthyse was some sort of face-first slugger who kept walking into the same punch over and over which eventually closed the eye. That was not the case. Obviously if you believe it was, then the same logic applies to Sugar Ray Leonard when his eye was swelling very badly at the beginning of the 13th round. He must have forgotten about RULE NO. 1 too? It's comparing like with like.

It's also very obvious that an opponent who can't see half your offense is easier to hit than one who can see all of it, which is why Danny's skills were an awful lot more evident when Matthyse's eye was closed than when it was opened - both before and after the swelling.

How anybody can watch that fight and not take the closing of the eye into consideration is beyond me and that's my problem with the praise Garcia gets for it. He gets a lot of praise for the result mainly because he was a big underdog, but IMO it should have an asterisk beside it, just like the Lewis/Klitchko fight has. That fight didn't have a natural ending and folks are still arguing over it and I think because of the obvious effect the injury had in this fight the only way to sort it, is to have a rematch. If Garcia were to win, I can guarantee you he'd get a lot of praise from me.

My point is that your detracting from Garcias win because of Matthysse' eye when it was Garcia who closed it/saw it closing and capitalised etc. if it was a head clash with an immediate closure of the eye and or bad split/cut it'd have been stopped there and then. See what I'm saying?

walshb

Gorman700 wrote: »

Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns, what has this got to do with Garcia vs Matthysse? Show me where his eye swelled from a head clash, thumb or elbow. Then show me where Gracia DIDNT use any of his skills to punish that eye to aid his victory. Just because eyes swell up and ruin fights (which I agree with) doesn't mean that happened here. Your giving Garcia zero credit for what he did against Matthysse, which is close his eye and go toe to toe with a seriously dangerous fighter.

Garcia deserves a lot of credit for the fight. He showed real temperament and ring generalship. Yes, he caused the eye injury with his fists, but it still is a little frustrating that we didn't get to see "what could have" happened had Lucas not had the bad swelling. Swelling or not the fight was very competitive, and Danny did have most success when the eye began to close. It's all ifs and buts. I believe we would have had something quite different had Luca's eye not swelled. Garcia still may have won, but I probably would have put my money on Lucas.

Bottom line: I want to see Garcia fight someone decent and dangerous. He has a style that meshes well with danger.

Gorman700

walshb wrote: »

Garcia deserves a lot of credit for the fight. He showed real temperament and ring generalship. Yes, he caused the eye injury with his fists, but it still is a little frustrating that we didn't get to see "what could have" happened had Lucas not had the bad swelling. Swelling or not the fight was very competitive, and Danny did have most success when the eye began to close. It's all ifs and buts. I believe we would have had something quite different had Luca's eye not swelled. Garcia still may have won, but I probably would have put my money on Lucas.

Bottom line: I want to see Garcia fight someone decent and dangerous. He has a style that meshes well with danger.

I see your point but if Matthysse was better defensively he'd have protected that eye better or even moved away from that hook. Basically if he used his ring smarts more, but, he didn't. His own fault. I HATE a ruined fight due to swelling but Matthysse should have been smarter.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

Kendall Holt was decent and dangerous. Same with Matthysse. I think he's set to face Lamont Peterson, I wouldn't put him in the decent and dangerous category.

I agree on Lucas. I did mention that he was one fighter that was decent and dangerous.

Even a Mike Alvarado would be a great scrap. Tough/fit/busy and hits quite hard as well. He would really push Danny.

If I had to pick one it would be Provodnikov vs. Garcia. Mother of god, what a tasty match.

section4

megadodge wrote: »

You said "It's not as if he had his eyes closed, head down and was swinging for the fences". If you believe that then pause the following link at exactly 1m29s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ufHfcGugY

Is his head up or down?
Is he looking at Khan or looking somewhere behind himself?
I can't ask about his eyes being closed because we can't see them, which might have something to do with the previous two questions.

Garcia had thrown the same shot over and over again before that and it hadn't connected and I truely believe it had more to do with Khan walking into it than Garcia's timing. A crucial mistake by Khan (not for the first time).

Its was all about timing, you dont to look at some ones chin to know where it is, you try the same punch a few times and you get closer each time, especially if the guy your are fighting doesnt realise you have just missed his chin a few times beforehand and keeps doing the same thing.
In a boxing matches you not only look at the guys head, you use your peripheral vision, if you notice every time he jabs he moves his foot a certain distance and way and drops his hand at he same time then you know eactly where his head and chin is and just wait till that particiular movement takes place and throw to the chin, you might miss the first few times but he keeps repeating the same move you will nail him eventually,
thats exactly what happened to khan when he fought garcia