Marvel Cinematic Universe general stuff

Turtyturd

Because superheroes were a relatively infrequent occurrence. Mutants on the other hand were the next step in evolution who would replace humans so it's natural that normal humans would be afraid of them...especially when most peoples introduction to them would have been Magneto talking about how mutants are superior, and threatening the unleash a barrage of missiles upon the population.

Gbear

pixelburp wrote: »

I feel like the only comic geek who thinks a shared universe is a bad idea, and not one worth getting tizzy about.

I think it's a brilliant idea but only within reason.

Having a dozen characters of various importance spread over 3 or 4 franchises and 1 film tying them together is fine.

But if they're throwing in another dozen on top of that and another 3 or 4 franchises it's just going to be a mess, even if some are killed off.

And the problem with killing off characters is that the ones that replace them are almost certainly going to get progressively less interesting.

Tefral

pixelburp wrote: »

I liked Spider man growing up as a kid, there was something about the character and the hero that appealed to me (probably Parker's relative youth compared with other, older heroes I guess), but the cinema treatments have really sucked the joy out of it all - the Andrew Garfield versions in particular, a pair of films utterly devoid of worth on any scale.

The prospect of yet another reboot feels singularly unappealing; I loved Guardians of the Galaxy partly because it felt like a separate story, divorced from the main Marvel cinematic universe and with the room to grow its own mythology; I know it wasn't, what with Thanos n' all, but that independence gave the film some freshness and vitality that the 'standard' MCU films just don't have at this rate. It's too fecking crowded already, the presence of Spider Man won't help this feeling.

I feel like the only comic geek who thinks a shared universe is a bad idea, and not one worth getting tizzy about.

Id love a Spiderman and Deadpool movie!

cloud493

Presumably, x-men would get a 'soft' reboot if they were at some point integrated into the MCU.

Agent Coulson

Fox are doing just fine with the X-Men for now that Universe is best left where it is.

horgan_p

I'd leave X-men alone , as it is they just rebooted their universe with Days of Future Past.

Be nice if they could clear up Quicksilver / Scarlet Witch though. Ideally before they go too far explaining their origin. The comics have enough retconning going on besides the movies as well.

But my good god , Spidey / Deadpool or Spidey / Punisher movie. Too Comic book nerdy to ever get made , but cant a girl dream ?

horgan_p

horgan_p wrote: »

I'd leave X-men alone , as it is they just rebooted their universe with Days of Future Past.

Be nice if they could clear up Quicksilver / Scarlet Witch though. Ideally before they go too far explaining their origin. The comics have enough retconning going on besides the movies as well.

But my good god , Spidey / Deadpool or Spidey / Punisher movie. Too Comic book nerdy to ever get made , but cant a girl dream ?

Never happen but Nerdgasm at the thought.

I just want a blade movie

Jon Stark

Sirsok wrote: »

I just want a blade movie

If they use Blade I'd say there's more chance of them giving it the Netflix treatment than a film franchise.

Penn

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Fox are doing just fine with the X-Men for now that Universe is best left where it is.

Really? I still think Fox's films have been a bit of a shambles compared to what Marvel's putting out. X2 and First Class were terrific films, but even then they retcon so much of their own material all the time, particularly in Xmen Origins Wolverine and in DOFP.

I've liked most of the XMen films, but compared to what I believe Marvel could do with them, I'd much rather see Marvel get them back.

Turtyturd

Yep X-men should stay where they are, given how the comic has gone since Quesada took over as EIC I'd hate to see how they'd be handled at Marvel.

Mickeroo

Brutalitops wrote: »

Really? I still think Fox's films have been a bit of a shambles compared to what Marvel's putting out. X2 and First Class were terrific films, but even then they retcon so much of their own material all the time, particularly in Xmen Origins Wolverine and in DOFP.

I've liked most of the XMen films, but compared to what I believe Marvel could do with them, I'd much rather see Marvel get them back.

DOFP was better than any marve producedl movie to date imo.

Agent Coulson

Brutalitops wrote: »

Really? I still think Fox's films have been a bit of a shambles compared to what Marvel's putting out. X2 and First Class were terrific films, but even then they retcon so much of their own material all the time, particularly in Xmen Origins Wolverine and in DOFP.

I've liked most of the XMen films, but compared to what I believe Marvel could do with them, I'd much rather see Marvel get them back.

Marvel have made a few average films of there own.

I just feel X-men a fine where they are for now Fox aren't making a mess of that Universe like Sony were with Spiderman.

horgan_p

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Marvel have made a few average films of there own.

I just feel X-men a fine where they are for now Fox aren't making a mess of that Universe like Sony were with Spiderman.

Not anymore anyway

pixelburp

Brutalitops wrote: »

Really? I still think Fox's films have been a bit of a shambles compared to what Marvel's putting out. X2 and First Class were terrific films, but even then they retcon so much of their own material all the time, particularly in Xmen Origins Wolverine and in DOFP.

I've liked most of the XMen films, but compared to what I believe Marvel could do with them, I'd much rather see Marvel get them back.

I can't agree with that; Days of Future Past was arguably one of the best superhero movies of recent years, not to mention the most overtly comicbook in outlook and execution (The huge cast of characters, timeline shenanigans et al)

It brazenly reset its own mythology sure, but it never let lost sight of the importance of characterisation in its storylines, and how all the set-pieces and action was just a consequence of the main character's choices and actions - unlike Marvel who have decided all third acts must involve everything exploding while our heroes try to shut down yet another portal

The Xavier / Magneto / Mystique dynamic is infinitely more interesting than The Avengers' own imo

Turtyturd

Mickeroo wrote: »

DOFP was better than any marve producedl movie to date imo.

Also had the best post credits scene too.

Mr Freeze

So is Sony's 2017 Amazing Spiderman 3 cancelled and its venom spin offs and other spidey based flicks?

Edit. Read the article posted by sheehy83.
A new Spider-man actor and film still planned for 2017.

I think its kind of mad how Sony have practically abandoned their Amazing Spiderman series of films now.

cloud493

Well its probably for the best, considering how poor Sony's spiderman films are.

Chris_Heilong

Sony still own the rights and have control over how he is used which could prove a problem if they dont like what Marvel have planned.

Mr Freeze

cloud493 wrote: »

Well its probably for the best, considering how poor Sony's spiderman films are.

I liked Amazing Spiderman. I thought the villian was terrible, but overall I liked it.

Can't stand the Raimi films.

Penn

Mickeroo wrote: »

DOFP was better than any marve producedl movie to date imo.

I'd put Avengers, Iron Man 3, Thor, Captain America 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy ahead of most of the X-Men films.

Don't get me wrong, I genuinely thought X2 and First Class were brilliant films, and DOFP was great (the future action scenes, and McAvoy/Fassbender particularly). But they have messed up so many of the best characters and have so many continuity errors that even the big reset button at the end of DOFP doesn't correct half of them.

It's all opinion at the end of the day, I'd just much rather Marvel being given a clean slate and doing their version of it. I think they could do a great take on it all.

cloud493

I'm happy for them to say separate, but I'd be equally happy to see Marvel take a crack at it. I'd put almost anything MCU than the x-men films personally.

Chris_Heilong

Brutalitops wrote: »

I'd put Avengers, Iron Man 3, Thor, Captain America 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy ahead of most of the X-Men films.

Don't get me wrong, I genuinely thought X2 and First Class were brilliant films, and DOFP was great (the future action scenes, and McAvoy/Fassbender particularly). But they have messed up so many of the best characters and have so many continuity errors that even the big reset button at the end of DOFP doesn't correct half of them.

It's all opinion at the end of the day, I'd just much rather Marvel being given a clean slate and doing their version of it. I think they could do a great take on it all.

I would agree with you with the exception of Iron man 3 which I thought was a childish mess.

Brief_Lives

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I would agree with you with the exception of Iron man 3 which I thought was a childish mess.

Only the first Iron man mavie was any good, in my opinion...

here is an explanation why Iron Man 3 is identical to Lethal weapon 2...

icdg

Please tell me they are not doing the Spider Man origin story again? Whatever you think about the various films since 2002, to do essentially the same story a third time in fifteen years is a little too much.

Penn

icdg wrote: »

Please tell me they are not doing the Spider Man origin story again? Whatever you think about the various films since 2002, to do essentially the same story a third time in fifteen years is a little too much.

I'd say with Marvel co-producing, and Spidey appearing in a Marvel film first, I'd say they'll just skip the origin story. Just have him give a brief explanation of it to someone.

Osmosis Jones

Wouldn't make sense to have him feature in Civil War as an already established superhero, then do an origins movie. Thank god too, sick of seeing uncle Ben die at this stage.

Jon Stark

They could get away with doing just a soft reboot i.e. the Staceys are dead and Peter is guilt ridden over what he perceives to be his role in Gwen's death, thus having him wade in on the side of Tony Stark in Cap 3 in regards for Superheroes to be held accountable for their actions.

The only problem is how do you explain Peter's absence thus far. One way around it is a time jump for phase 3.

Jon Stark

Jon Stark wrote: »

They could get away with doing just a soft reboot i.e. the Staceys are dead and Peter is guilt ridden over what he perceives to be his role in Gwen's death, thus having him wade in on the side of Tony Stark in Cap 3 in regards for Superheroes to be held accountable for their actions.

The only problem is how do you explain Peter's absence thus far. One way around it is a time jump for phase 3.

Well if Iron Man/Thor/Hulk/Hawkeye can go missing for Captain America 2 I think Spidey being out of view till now would not be that hard

Nervous Wreck

Fairly easy to introduce Spidey to the MCU without redoing the origin. In the opening credits of The Incredible Hulk, the did Hulk's entire origin story in about 3 mins with visuals only. If they do same or similar for Spidey, all is well. He doesn't have to be an established hero for this all to work. They do the origin in the credits followed by images of Daily Bugle articles titled things like "Spider-Man: Friend or Foe" etc etc.

cloud493

Please get JK Simmons back as Jameson.

SteM

cloud493 wrote: »

Please get JK Simmons back as Jameson.

If he wins the Oscar I couldn't see him bothering to come back to a spidey movie for 4 minutes of screen time tbh.

Mr Freeze

They can't go doing Spider-man's origin again for a 3rd time in just over a decade!

Nobody watching an MCU film is gonna go whose that guy if he just lands up! If they know who Thor and those other guys are they will know who spidey is.

Gbear

SteM wrote: »

If he wins the Oscar I couldn't see him bothering to come back to a spidey movie for 4 minutes of screen time tbh.

From the range of roles he's taken on and the way he sounds in interviews, I can't see him thinking he's above such roles.

He comes across as pretty sound.

Jon Stark

Can't link as I'm on the mobile but just go to Screenrant, there's a very recent article where Simmons not only suggests that he's open to returning but that there might have actually been discussions already.

Edit Turns out I can link but boards won't let me because I'm a new user. #notroll

humanji

Jon Stark wrote: »

Can't link as I'm on the mobile but just go to Screenrant, there's a very recent article where Simmons not only suggests that he's open to returning but that there might have actually been discussions already.

Edit Turns out I can link but boards won't let me because I'm a new user. #notroll

http://screenrant.com/new-spider-man-movie-j-k-simmons-returning/

Is that the link?

pixelburp

Mr Freeze wrote: »

They can't go doing Spider-man's origin again for a 3rd time in just over a decade!

Why not, they've done with every single adaptation of Batman on the big and small screen!

OwaynOTT

Here's the poster for the next Spiderman Origin film




edit: should have really stuck Spidey's head on there

icdg

pixelburp wrote: »

Why not, they've done with every single adaptation of Batman on the big and small screen!

It's the doing it three times in fifteen years in the same medium by the same studio that's the problem. While they did the origin story in Batman Begins, they only touched on it in Tim Burton's one (nearly 20 years prior) and he came fully formed in the 1960s film (23 years prior to that)

Mr Freeze

pixelburp wrote: »

Why not, they've done with every single adaptation of Batman on the big and small screen!

I'd say nobody should do another Batman origin again any time soon too.

In regards to Spiderman though, I think 3 origin stories in 14-15 years would be a bit much.

I just think they will be using up screen time showing us something we know too well at this stage and the time could be better spent doing something else.

SteM

Jon Stark wrote: »

Can't link as I'm on the mobile but just go to Screenrant, there's a very recent article where Simmons not only suggests that he's open to returning but that there might have actually been discussions already.

Edit Turns out I can link but boards won't let me because I'm a new user. #notroll

humanji wrote: »

http://screenrant.com/new-spider-man-movie-j-k-simmons-returning/

Is that the link?

That Screenrant quote is from an interview he did on the Stern show which I heard - I listen to his show all the time. I think SR are taking one off the cuff comment out of a 60 minute interview and making a story out of it - I don't even remember hearing that quote if I'm being honest. You can hear the whole interview on Youtube if you want - he spends more time talking about being a voice in M&M commercials!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itk6K-c-qBQ

If he wins the Oscar he'll be offered much more high profile jobs, unless Jameson is given a bigger role in the next Spider-man movie then I can't see it happening.

Jon Stark

SteM wrote: »

That Screenrant quote is from an interview he did on the Stern show which I heard - I listen to his show all the time. I think SR are taking one off the cuff comment out of a 60 minute interview and making a story out of it - I don't even remember hearing that quote if I'm being honest. You can hear the whole interview on Youtube if you want - he spends more time talking about being a voice in M&M commercials!


If he wins the Oscar he'll be offered much more high profile jobs, unless Jameson is given a bigger role in the next Spider-man movie then I can't see it happening.

Par for the course with SR unfortunately, their articles mostly consist of taking an isolated quote or some info that arose elsewhere and surrounding it with their own fluff.

FunLover18

Garfield's out!

Back to high school again. I think there was a story awhile back where Marvel wanted to focus the balance between being a hero and a teenager. I wouldn't mind that but I really don't want another love story.

Meh teen angst. Put him in college FFS where you can actually cast a 20+ year old to play a 20+ year old

Mr Freeze

FunLover18 wrote: »

Garfield's out!

I am disappointed with that news to be honest. I quite liked him as Peter Parker. Mark Webb gone too.

I still find it unreal that a Studio would abandon the 3rd film (and its spin offs) in the their franchise and reboot it again.

Mr Freeze

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I am disappointed with that news to be honest. I quite liked him as Peter Parker. Mark Webb gone too.

I still find it unreal that a Studio would abandon the 3rd film (and its spin offs) in the their franchise and reboot it again.

And, by the rumoured accounts, it was the studio's interference with Webb in 2 that caused that sh1tfest.

TheDoc

I never took to Spiderman as a kid, and the original three films I didn't like one bit. I was kind of taking to Garfield, pity.

The Spiderman animated series of the 90's was fairly cool in all fairness

Mr Freeze

Deleted User wrote: »

The Spiderman animated series of the 90's was fairly cool in all fairness

As a big fan of Batman the animated series, I could not get into the spiderman series as it paled in comparison and the animation was poor. (I was fussy when it came to my cartoons).

I really took to Garfield as Spiderman and its a pity he out.

But it will still be cool to see Spiderman in the Avengers and other films. Even if its a new version.

Agent Coulson

Garfield out fair enough.

But I say bring back Emma Stone.