Hardest profession to get on the ladder?

WhiteWalls

Would it be solicitor/barrister? Lots of money to get qualified and then its all about being well connected to get career going

Sir Arthur Daley

Painter.

jimgoose

Why do you want to know??

WhiteWalls

jimgoose wrote: »

Why do you want to know??

quiz question

kumate_champ07

actor

Un Croissant

Life time dole victim. The starting pay is shocking but the longer you stay at it, the better the benefits are.

Amiright? Guys........guys??

emo72

barrister is grand if you do a bit of devilling.

handbagmad

Social welfare, if you've worked and now you're not.....

The Backwards Man

Escalator repair man.

MJ23

Window cleaner

AnonoBoy

Jizz mopper.

Sir Arthur Daley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Escalator repair man.

That job carries its ups and downs.

Tail Docker

Deep sea salvage diver. Or rotary commercial pilot.

Something like a pilot I'd say, where you can't even train for it unless you're crazy rich already.

Tomohawk

Politician, can take years to get elected...

porsche959

Professional assassin.

dreamers75

Any job in a family business. the retard kids always get in ahead.

dundalkfc10

Porn

porsche959

Tomohawk wrote: »

Politician, can take years to get elected...

^ An unpopular thing to say in Ireland, but basically true.

Most people who complain about politicians, including myself, have never run for office.

Even when elected, the life of a professional politician is not necessarily to be envied.

dundalkfc10

porsche959 wrote: »

^ An unpopular thing to say in Ireland, but basically true.

Most people who complain about politicians, including myself, have never run for office.

Even when elected, the life of a professional politician is not necessarily to be envied.

Loads of examples of people who were never into politics, getting seats in elections

Peter Fitzpatrick in Louth is a prime example

The Backwards Man

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

That job carries its ups and downs.

Yeah, you really have to step up to the plate though.

Sir Arthur Daley

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Porn

just need a big tool.

porsche959

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Loads of examples of people who were never into politics, getting seats in elections

Peter Fitzpatrick in Louth is a prime example

Sure, but no-one puts a gun to anyone's head and forces the electorate to vote for anyone.

I think there is an unhealthy tendency, particularly by the large parties, to draft in GAA players and other sportsmen to run for office.

But the public are at least as much to blame as the system or the political parties when these 'draftees' are elected.

One of the reasons why I advocate for fewer TD's but don't have a problem with their salaries. In fact I think we would save money, and have a better system, if the size of Dail was reduced and salaries increased.

Minjor

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Loads of examples of people who were never into politics, getting seats in elections

Peter Fitzpatrick in Louth is a prime example

He rode the crest of a wave from being a popular intercounty GAA manager.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Referring to the OP's professions Barrister is difficult in the early years, many struggle to make a living at all. I say who you know plays a big part and who your master was. Only the SCs make the big bucks.

Solicitor is tough these days, small firms and sole practitioners in particular. There's also too many qualified solicitors out there to meet the demand. It seemed to be the 'in' thing to do law during the Celtic Tiger years.

porsche959

Minjor wrote: »

He rode the crest of a wave from being a popular intercounty GAA manager.

lennyloulou

teacher
media always give warped reports of cushy wages and holidays- the wages documented in the media are always principal wages and those in the old system near retirement.
its a joke!
majority post 2004 teachers/newly qualified are offered 6, 10 maybe 12 hrs a week teaching, do not get paid for the 'fantastic' holidays perceived by the mass public.... they practically beg and l**k arse all year to management in the hopes to curry favour to be kept for the following sept! absolute crap wages

Sir Arthur Daley

Sky satellite engineer.

Adamantium

Full time shower latherer

Sorry what? come again? Ladder? Oh no I can't help you there.

Carry on.

stefan idiot jones

Barista.

The skills needed to make a cup of coffee requires a trade of it's own it seems.

Takes four years of intense training. In my day they were known as tea ladies.

mikemac1

Farmer

Anyone can do an apprenticeship or apply for college

If you dont have a spare few hundred thousand around you won't become one

Michael O'Leary did it, have you got his money?

ruthloss

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

That job carries its ups and downs.

Ya., but it's wrong on so many levels.:P

Jawgap

porsche959 wrote: »

Sure, but no-one puts a gun to anyone's head and forces the electorate to vote for anyone.

I think there is an unhealthy tendency, particularly by the large parties, to draft in GAA players and other sportsmen to run for office.

But the public are at least as much to blame as the system or the political parties when these 'draftees' are elected.

One of the reasons why I advocate for fewer TD's but don't have a problem with their salaries. In fact I think we would save money, and have a better system, if the size of Dail was reduced and salaries increased.

Loads of TDs inherit their seats - Enda Kenny being a case in point.

If anything the position of TD should be unsalaried then you'd get people genuinely motivated by public service and who have some life experience.

How much can TDs in their 20s / early 30s (and older) actually understand about living, working, raising a family etc when they've gone from university politics to representational politics?

Anyway back on topic.......

Officer in the Air Corps - only about 12 cadets in any given year are accepted for training.

Santa Cruz

dreamers75 wrote: »

Any job in a family business. the retard kids always get in ahead.

Is that why your brothers that had to emigrate hate you?

smcgiff

Nipple tweaker to the stars.

Frank Lee Midere

Jawgap wrote: »

Loads of TDs inherit their seats - Enda Kenny being a case in point.

If anything the position of TD should be unsalaried then you'd get people genuinely motivated by public service and who have some life experience.

How much can TDs in their 20s / early 30s (and older) actually understand about living, working, raising a family etc when they've gone from university politics to representational politics?

Anyway back on topic.......

Officer in the Air Corps - only about 12 cadets in any given year are accepted for training.

Yeah. Unsalaried TDs. That'll keep the proles out.

Rachiee

Actor/director its not really a viable career choice at all something like 10 per cent graduates end up employed and only 3per cent will make a decent living out of it. Its luck and connections with little to do with talent (not that the ones who make it don't have talent but the thousands that don't make it are very talented also.

smcgiff

Rachiee wrote: »

Actor/director its not really a viable career choice at all something like 10 per cent graduates end up employed and only 3per cent will make a decent living out of it. Its luck and connections with little to do with talent (not that the ones who make it don't have talent but the thousands that don't make it are very talented also.

In the same vein.

Novel writers. Everyone with a PC has tried it but very few make a living from it.

Jawgap

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Yeah. Unsalaried TDs. That'll keep the proles out.

Of course salaried TDs have served the country so well......:rolleyes:

mark_jmc

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

That job carries its ups and downs.

That's wrong on many different levels

Doh beaten to it

Un Croissant

The guy that adjusts Katy Perry's boobs

antodeco

Astronaut surely?

Saying that, I've heard the wages are out of this world

Jawgap

Un Croissant wrote: »

The guy that adjusts Katy Perry's boobs

Worth starting at the bottom to get that job......

mark_jmc

mark_jmc wrote: »

That's wrong on many different levels

Doh beaten to it

An escalator only goes between two levels, it's the lift engineer who has the ups-n-downs and is wrong on so many levels.

GrumpyMe

Monarch


The key is in breeding!

Frank Lee Midere

Jawgap wrote: »

Of course salaried TDs have served the country so well......:rolleyes:

That's not an argument for unsalaried TDs. You have to prove unsalaried TDs would be better.

But to emphasise the point I was making - if TDs were unsalaried nobody with a mortgage could be a TD. Nobody without an independent income who wanted to feed their children. Nobody who couldn't afford at a minimum 4 years of no pay. Only the rich could do that. You would have an oligarchy not a democracy.

Jawgap

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

That's not an argument for unsalaried TDs. You have to prove unsalaried TDs would be better.

so I 'have to prove' yet you don't.......

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

But to emphasise the point I was making - if TDs were unsalaried nobody with a mortgage could be a TD. Nobody without an independent income who wanted to feed their children. Nobody who couldn't afford at a minimum 4 years of no pay. Only the rich could do that. You would have an oligarchy not a democracy.

How do you know people with a mortgage couldn't be a TD? Who says the job has to be full time?

There were only 123 sitting days in 2013 - and I'll bet there isn't one TD who made every one of those.

In the first half of this year (01/01/2014 to 30/06/2014) there were 60 sitting days and a total of 120 days (including the 60 sitting days) where if a TD attended they were eligible for attendance allowance - a quick scan of the records shows that the majority of TDs only attend between 55 and 70 of those days......it's not full time as it is

......but it attracts a full time salary.

TheBoss11

An airline pilot. Without a doubt

kryogen

Male porn star. Unless you are coming in as a partner/friend of some female talent it can very hard

smcgiff

kryogen wrote: »

Male porn star. Unless you are coming in as a partner/friend of some female talent it can very hard

In fairness it kinda has to be.

corner of hells

State executioner, sent my CV in loads of time to the 'Joy , various TDs , Garda stations ,local FCA units , all to no avail.Gardai have taken to dropping up to me every so often nowadays.

Also lounge girl , does anyone know if theres a lounge girl school or college ? Gardai have taken to calling up over that one too.

Mrs Corner isn't to happy bout the Gardai , but she's gonna be sorry one day.