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This is why I don't use the bus
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08-08-2014 3:10pm#1
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On the correct fare issue,the thing can now be sorted accurately by using the Fare Calculator function on www.dublinbus.ie
This gizmo finally does away with all the oul traditional "3 or 4 Stops"...."Just down the road"....or "HOW much :eek: ?" Busfare elements.
An approximately 15 Minute journey involving maybe 4/5 Stops for €2.35 sounds almost reasonable to me.....and I'll wait for some of the more focused to respond on the issue of a Blanchardstown to Án Lár journey for €1.60 :eek:......Off to get my Rainmac now....;)
I actually had a play with that there now and yes, according to that it was €2.35 alright for 6 stops (I'm not giving the route/stops purely because I'm not telling you lot where I live/work
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That's an insanely high price though for a short trip in my opinion especially as - as I said - the last time I used buses regularly (admittedly 8/9 years ago) you could do Blanch-Town for €1.60 or thereabouts (although I see it's about €3.05 now! At least the €2.50 Leap fare is a little easier to stomach I guess - mostly cause it's a round number - but it's still a lot to pay for our bus service IMO)
You can argue fuel costs, new fancy buses, wages, lower passenger numbers/higher per user costs, inflation, but there's absolutely no value in that for someone like myself when it's still the same buses, same trip, same journey times, same problems with reliability etc as it was back then.
Might as well just take the car. Even though it'll cost more at least I'll have the convenience, privacy, climate control, no antisocial muppetry, and ability to come and go when I want and reroute as needed to avoid traffic rather than plodding along lurching from stop to stop, maybe standing most/all of the way and listening to some eejit's choice of music from their phone.0 -
I actually had a play with that there now and yes, according to that it was €2.35 alright for 6 stops (I'm not giving the route/stops purely because I'm not telling you lot where I live/work)
That's an insanely high price though for a short trip in my opinion especially as - as I said - the last time I used buses regularly (admittedly 8/9 years ago) you could do Blanch-Town for €1.60 or thereabouts (although I see it's about €3.05 now! At least the €2.50 Leap fare is a little easier to stomach I guess - mostly cause it's a round number - but it's still a lot to pay for our bus service IMO)
You can argue fuel costs, new fancy buses, wages, lower passenger numbers/higher per user costs, inflation, but there's absolutely no value in that for someone like myself when it's still the same buses, same trip, same journey times, same problems with reliability etc as it was back then.
Might as well just take the car. Even though it'll cost more at least I'll have the convenience, privacy, climate control, no antisocial muppetry, and ability to come and go when I want and reroute as needed to avoid traffic rather than plodding along lurching from stop to stop, maybe standing most/all of the way and listening to some eejit's choice of music from their phone.
You'd really want to try Driving so.....:D
Mind you,excellency,I'm in general agreement with your point.
However,I would stop-short of describing BAC's Fares as "Insanely" high.
It's also worth pointing out that our method of funding/Integrating/prioritizing Public Transport is only (VERY) loosely modeled on how other,more civilized,European Countries do it.
As it currently stands the Fare Structure policy has become a 100% function of the NTA and they appear to be pursuing a steady-as-she goes course.
If twere me,I'd be discounting the hell out of Bus Transport (In the manner of the Childleapcard Free Bus Travel Promotion),but with the proviso of vastly more frequent services throughout a 24 hour period........Oh...and Shutting Down a few City Centre Multi Stories as well.....;)Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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You are comparing the public transport in Dublin to the public transport in Munich, and calling Dublin reasonable? Don't make us laugh bitterly..
Well,actually Munchkin is NOT comparing Dublin with Munich in any terms other than this SINGLE journey...Globally,such comparisons are largely a waste of time as every city/country is different...which is why I tend to use Edinburgh as my yardstick for Dublin....:D :eek:
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Well,actually Munchkin is NOT comparing Dublin with Munich in any terms other than this SINGLE journey...Globally,such comparisons are largely a waste of time as every city/country is different...which is why I tend to use Edinburgh as my yardstick for Dublin....:D :eek:
Not sure if joking or...0 -
exactly, just saying that its not only in Dublin that a ticket for public transport can be very expensive for a short journey.Well,actually Munchkin is NOT comparing Dublin with Munich in any terms other than this SINGLE journey...
Globally,such comparisons are largely a waste of time as every city/country is different...which is why I tend to use Edinburgh as my yardstick for Dublin....:D :eek:
its completely irrelevant if my €2.60 ticket entitles me to a trip across town (or free coffee, or back massage, or discounts in a shop.....) if all I am looking to do is go a mile down the road and no further.
So essentially completely the same problem as Dublin, except dearer.0 -
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I assumed from the OP that he was going from the terminus or near it.
That's the problem with RTPI, it's frequently inaccurate for various reasons, but it's advertised as being accurate real time information. It should really be renamed to "Real time passenger information under some circumstances but with exceptions we never bother telling out customers about", but RTPIUSCBWEWNTOA might be a stretch.
Oddly enough,as I encounter it,RTPI is very accurate,not unfailingly or totally,but certainly within a reasonable band of expectation.
There are indeed occasions when it is frustrated in how it can operate,but those occasions are replicated in similar systems elsewhere too.
However,just as with folks givin'out about expensive Busfares whilst determinedly ignoring a 20% cheaper,readily available alternative,our psyche will often tend to guide us to the half-empty glass...
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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porsche boy wrote: »jasus, wait till he gets a taxi from town so....
I know.. €25 no less. But then again this allowed me to stay well past the last bus, relax, have a few drinks, and a pleasant (if slightly drunken!) conversation with the driver on the way back! 0 -
I know.. €25 no less. But then again this allowed me to stay well past the last bus, relax, have a few drinks, and a pleasant (if slightly drunken!) conversation with the driver on the way back!
What !!!!...I hope you got his number :eek:Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Oddly enough,as I encounter it,RTPI is very accurate,not unfailingly or totally,but certainly within a reasonable band of expectation.
There are indeed occasions when it is frustrated in how it can operate,but those occasions are replicated in similar systems elsewhere too.
However,just as with folks givin'out about expensive Busfares whilst determinedly ignoring a 20% cheaper,readily available alternative,our psyche will often tend to guide us to the half-empty glass...
I use it all the time, and I find it excellent, yes it is not perfect, but it never could be, most of the problems seem to be for people living within a couple of stops of the terminus where the RTPI is predicting arrival times based on the timetable rather than a bus that is actually enroute, some of that could be helped by controllers being a little more proactive in removing buses from the RTPI when they are obviously not going to make a timetabled departure rather than letting the system do it, or doing it after the scheduled departure time.
I think you should never take the people who post here as a representative sample of peoples experience of anything, let alone RTPI very few if anyone starts a thread about how the RTPI or anything else worked exactly as it should, and the time it or anything else doesn't perform as expected we completely forget about all the times it works perfectly.0 -
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Dont think that problem with RTPI is in anyway unique to Dublin Bus. I had a very similar experience with the buses outside New Street station in Birmingham on my last visit. The screen showed my bus getting closer and closer until it disappeared off the screen while it was supposedly 2 minutes away and never turned up. I had to wait for the next scheduled bus. RTPI is still a much better system than existed previously where there was no real time information and and the timetable was a work of fiction.
Would ye Whisht up outa that.....EVERYBODY knows that these things happen ONLY on Dublin Bus !!
,and no more talk of things gettin better either...or you'll get given out to :eek: Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Would ye Whisht up outa that.....EVERYBODY knows that these things happen ONLY on Dublin Bus !! ,and no more talk of things gettin better either...or you'll get given out to :eek:
I still think they should bring back the clippies. Cut down on the dwell time at stops and might put manners on the gougers on the top deck.0 -
Certainly not by me, and I'd imagine a fair proportion of the travelling public. By definition a bus that's late can't be on time. Is this DB's official view? It would certainly explain a lot
It's actually something I've seen on bus stops in other countries.
Actually it's not if you read it. It's still real time information with due being a predicted value.From the DB website, "Real Time Information will show you when your bus is due to arrive at your bus stop so you can plan your journey more accurately."
It's a table of such times, which is pretty much the definition of a timetable.Again, not by passengers. The only possible reason for this list on the DB website is a comms fault between the bus and the server. If there's common situations which can cause a bus not to be displayed then they really need to list these.
So far from this thread, I gather that if my stop is a minute or two the terminus, I check RTPI just before my bus is timetabled to depart, and my bus isn't listed for my stop then one of these is true:
- my bus isn't running for some reason (mechanical failure, etc)
- my bus has left "on time" two minutes early and I've missed it
- the incoming bus is late, my bus will be late
- my bus is still at the terminus, the driver is missing, and it will be late
- my bus is still at the terminus, the driver is on it but hasn't switched on the machine yet: it will arrive as scheduled
- my bus isn't listed for some other "valid" reason, its status is indeterminate
If it is listed as being due in, say, 2 minutes:
- it may not be listed next time I check, and any of the above may apply
- it may have already passed my stop
- it may arrive in less than two minutes
- it may arrive in two minutes
Does everything in life come up to your exacting expectations? I hope so.
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That's nice. And to be honest, I can think of a few other countries I'd rather be living in commuting to work. But since I'm stuck here, other countries sadly aren't relevant.Five Lamps wrote: »It's actually something I've seen on bus stops in other countries.
Timetable: "a list of the times when something (such as a bus, train, or airplane) is expected to leave or arrive". RTPI "will show you when your bus is due to arrive". Due: "required or expected to happen".Actually it's not if you read it. It's still real time information with due being a predicted value.
I'm pretty easygoing about most things, but obviously expecting a system that's cost over €6.5m to perform as advertised is unreasonable. If the RTPI information had proper explanation of the various conditions that can affect its accuracy I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it, but it's being presented as a blanket, accurate, real time system, when in my experience it's frequently not. Doesn't help that the FAQ page is 3 years out of date.Does everything in life come up to your exacting expectations? I hope so.The system has to work on the presumption that the timetable will be operated to and then correct when it isn't, as I said some of them could be avoided with a little bit more proactive action by the controller, if the bus is 20 minutes from a terminus but due to depart in 10 minutes a controller can take action and prevent the bus counting down then disappearing. If the bus is going to operate he can shift the departure time or he cif it won't operate he can remove it at that stage.
However if something last minute happens like a mechanical fault or an ill driver, accident etc then not much can be done, if a bus was only added to the RTPI system when it was present and ready to leave as then it would be completely useless to those within the first few stops.
Obviously there's going to be last minute stuff and technical issues that can't be predicted. But if it requires manual intervention for things like the incoming bus being late beyond the departure time from the terminus, you've got to question the system design and why that can't be handled automatically.0 -
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steveblack wrote: »Was told everything crashed this morning, Real Time Information, ticket validator and the radio.
The Purge part III - for 30 minutes, all fare evasion shall be legal 0 -
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