Selling a car untaxed for 18 Months

100pcblade

A friend of mine is selling a car that he hasn't taxed for 18 months (February 13) will he be billed for the tax once the new owners have taxed it?

djimi

Nope. Once you sell a car the arrears disappear. The buyer only pays from the start of the month in which they purchased the car.

corktina

Correct (daft as it is)

Good luck with the sale (to your friend of course)

Gran Hermano

Test drive could be interesting if stopped and seized.

the_syco

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Test drive could be interesting if stopped and seized.

On this note, whoever does buy the car, insure they have proof of purchase with them!

100pcblade

Cheers they'll probably get the new to tax it before driving it away, I think the would be buyer is known to them

bazz26

I can see them changing this in the not too distant future, people must be changing ownership between family members frequently. Someone in Revenue must be noticing this.

djimi

bazz26 wrote: »

I can see them changing this in the not too distant future, people must be changing ownership between family members frequently. Someone in Revenue must be noticing this.

It would take a fairly significant change in the system to deal with it. The current system with regards arrears disappearing with a change of ownership is fair enough; nobody is going to buy a car that has significant tax arrears on it. What needs to happen is that if the car is tranferred back to the original owner within 2 years or whatever that those arrears become owed again. Not the easiest thing to implement.

corktina

The arrears wouldn't transfer to a new owner, it would be the original owner liable for them Sounds easy enough to me.

Atlantic Dawn

djimi wrote: »

It would take a fairly significant change in the system to deal with it. The current system with regards arrears disappearing with a change of ownership is fair enough; nobody is going to buy a car that has significant tax arrears on it. What needs to happen is that if the car is tranferred back to the original owner within 2 years or whatever that those arrears become owed again. Not the easiest thing to implement.

Could be done easily enough with a PPS Number required when transferring ownership.

bazz26

Or just let the arrears stay with the seller unless it was SORN'd.

Del2005

100pcblade wrote: »

Cheers they'll probably get the new to tax it before driving it away, I think the would be buyer is known to them

They can't tax it before driving away unless they want to pay the 18 months back tax. The VLC has to be sent to Shannon to transfer to the new owners name before they can tax it without arrears.

Del2005

bazz26 wrote: »

Or just let the arrears stay with the seller unless it was SORN'd.

So what happens to all the old cars dumped around yards and fields when the owner dies, does the motor tax come out of their estate?

The current system is fine we just need more widespread ANPR use, tie it into toll booths CCTV and traffic cameras etc, to stop the tax evasion.

corktina

nothing happens until the car is put back on the road, so this doesn't arise.

_Kaiser_

Del2005 wrote: »

So what happens to all the old cars dumped around yards and fields when the owner dies, does the motor tax come out of their estate?

The current system is fine we just need more widespread ANPR use, tie it into toll booths CCTV and traffic cameras etc, to stop the tax evasion.

+1

As usual, the answer isn't to invent yet more regulation - just enforce what we already have!

The amount of begrudgery that comes out on these sort of threads (and its site-wide) because of the notion that someone might be "getting away" with something that someone else isn't is crazy. Just pay your own tax and don't worry about what others are up to - isn't that (supposedly) what we pay/have AGS and the Revenue for?

(Oh and my car is always taxed/insured/NCT'd on time - just in case someone decides to try that angle!)

djimi

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Could be done easily enough with a PPS Number required when transferring ownership.

bazz26 wrote: »

Or just let the arrears stay with the seller unless it was SORN'd.

But thats the point; at the moment motor tax has nothing to do with the owner, its entirely on the car. The system would need to be amended to take the owners details into account also; effectively the tax would belong to the owner rather than the car (if that makes sense). Simple as it might sound, this would require a complete re-work of the system, which I cant imagine would be easy or quick to implement.

keithclancy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

+1

As usual, the answer isn't to invent yet more regulation - just enforce what we already have!

The amount of begrudgery that comes out on these sort of threads (and its site-wide) because of the notion that someone might be "getting away" with something that someone else isn't is crazy. Just pay your own tax and don't worry about what others are up to - isn't that (supposedly) what we pay/have AGS and the Revenue for?

(Oh and my car is always taxed/insured/NCT'd on time - just in case someone decides to try that angle!)

It's not begrudging, it means the people that do pay have to pay more for the people that do not pay.

The shortfall has to come from somewhere.

_Kaiser_

keithclancy wrote: »

It's not begrudging, it means the people that do pay have to pay more for the people that do not pay.

The shortfall has to come from somewhere.

This reasoning is used all the time and I just don't buy it. Even if tax compliance was at 100% do you really think we'd see any reduction?

I think we all know the answer there - sure aren't we reminded constantly how much "we" owe (thank you FG! FF may have led us to the edge of the cliff, but FG pushed us off it.. but I digress)
Then there's the example of how everyone was pushed to buy new cars to supposedly save the planet but really to prop up the Irish motor "industry". So what happens when everyone buys "cheap tax" 520d's? They hike those rates too!

keithclancy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This reasoning is used all the time and I just don't buy it. Even if tax compliance was at 100% do you really think we'd see any reduction?

I think we all know the answer there - sure aren't we reminded constantly how much "we" owe (thank you FG! FF may have led us to the edge of the cliff, but FG pushed us off it.. but I digress)
Then there's the example of how everyone was pushed to buy new cars to supposedly save the planet but really to prop up the Irish motor "industry". So what happens when everyone buys "cheap tax" 520d's? They hike those rates too!

Even if there is no reduction the country has to borrow money with Interest to pay for the shortfall.

wendell borton

These short-sighted changes in legislation always seem to punish the majority of law abiding citizens, while the small minority that ignore the law will continue to do so as there will be no change in enforcement.

filbert the fox

see my post #103 below which could be the solution to all of this.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057260835&page=7




:cool:

fmcg_scribe

djimi wrote: »

But thats the point; at the moment motor tax has nothing to do with the owner, its entirely on the car. The system would need to be amended to take the owners details into account also; effectively the tax would belong to the owner rather than the car (if that makes sense). Simple as it might sound, this would require a complete re-work of the system, which I cant imagine would be easy or quick to implement.

Indeed. From 1 October 2014, UK is abolishing the tax disc (exception: Northern Ireland) - you won't be required to display a tax disc because ANPR cameras will pick up any cars with "no tax".

As a consequence, vehicle tax will no longer be transferred when a car is sold - a seller will get a refund (for any remaining tax) automatically after notifying the DVLA about the sale.

In addition, from 1 October, UK car owners will be able to set up direct debits to tax their owners monthly - this will be a new option (6 months and 12 months are the only options at the moment).

_Kaiser_

fmcg_scribe wrote: »

In addition, from 1 October, UK car owners will be able to set up direct debits to tax their owners monthly - this will be a new option (6 months and 12 months are the only options at the moment).

I'd love to see this here myself but no doubt it'd work out as twice the price by doing it monthly.

Ryangiggs

I have changed my car into my GFs name due to tax arrears, i have posted the log book on tuesday, how long do you reckon it will take the car to switch to her name because need car taxed asap any help would be great