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Best way to learn lifting (form etc.)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Mellor wrote: »
    I'm not trying to be smart, but why would you go the trainer route but now you're advocating self teaching?

    Some people will be able to teach themselves, but most won't. They'll lack body awareness and the correct motor pattern. I'd hazard a guess that somebody who starts a thread is likely to fall into the second group.

    I had two PT session when I started but they weren't focused on learning the main lifts.
    So I self taught later. It was a long and inefficient process. I expect that your typical beginner wouldn't put in the effort that I did.
    If I was doing it again, I'd definitely start with some coaching.
    I got taught & learned the mobility exercises to help your Squat & Deadlift. But I actually think I learned even more by looking at KS Video's on Youtube. He has some brillant stuff on youtube imo. I feel that I didn't need any personal training & that I could have learned on my own. Maybe if you are already quite athletic from playing Soccer etc. its an advantage for learning the lifts as to someone who isnt?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    MD1990 wrote: »
    I got taught & learned the mobility exercises to help your Squat & Deadlift.

    Then your coach was sh1te.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Then your coach was sh1te.
    Why exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭jive


    MD1990 is getting some strong hate for saying you don't need a coach but I agree. Hanley's quote sums it up:

    'Some might manage it but the vast majority will learn quicker, more efficiently and more safely with a good coach.'

    You can learn to deadlift/squat/bench just fine from youtube videos and video analysis of yourself if you have a brain. However, it takes a lot of time as there is so much bullshít information out there. In addition to this, there are also a load of shít coaches out there who qualified after going to 'college' for a month.

    It is certainly quicker, and safer, to learn with a good coach. However, it's more fun to figure shít out for yourself, IMO. If you want to lift competitively then sure get a coach but it certainly isn't essential.

    If ya have money to burn then I'd just get a coach, but I'm a tight arse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,588 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    MD1990 wrote: »
    I got taught & learned the mobility exercises to help your Squat & Deadlift. But I actually think I learned even more by looking at KS Video's on Youtube. He has some brillant stuff on youtube imo. I feel that I didn't need any personal training & that I could have learned on my own.
    This comes down to what was said about a good coach. If they aren't able to provide better coaching than a youtube video then they aren't a good coach and aren't worth the money imo.

    Good coaching includes things you can't get from videos;
    Real time assessment of set up, movement, faults.
    Cueing the lifts. Tweeking hand and foot position. Subtle "tricks" to fractionally increase a lift.
    I'm at a stage where I'm considering some coaching to improve my lifts further, if I didn't get at least all of the above, I'd be unhappy.

    I'm a big fan of K Starr's stuff too. My go-to source for mobility issues. I haven't seen a general "how to squat/deadlift" video from him though. (it probably exists).
    Maybe if you are already quite athletic from playing Soccer etc. its an advantage for learning the lifts as to someone who isnt?
    That was already mentioned.
    Mobility dysfunction, poor kinesthetic awareness or lack of athleticism being the excluding factors of self teaching for most people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Mellor wrote: »
    This comes down to what was said about a good coach. If they aren't able to provide better coaching than a youtube video then they aren't a good coach and aren't worth the money imo.

    Good coaching includes things you can't get from videos;
    Real time assessment of set up, movement, faults.
    Cueing the lifts. Tweeking hand and foot position. Subtle "tricks" to fractionally increase a lift.

    I'm at a stage where I'm considering some coaching to improve my lifts further, if I didn't get at least all of the above, I'd be unhappy.

    I'm a big fan of K Starr's stuff too. My go-to source for mobility issues. I haven't seen a general "how to squat/deadlift" video from him though. (it probably exists).



    That was already mentioned.
    Mobility dysfunction, poor kinesthetic awareness or lack of athleticism being the excluding factors of self teaching for most people.
    Ideally a good coach would be the best option. But all I have been saying all along is that u can learn to Squat & Deadlift on your own provided u do some good research online & find out what works best for you. For instance Rippletoe's advice to have your elbows pushed back is wrong imo. But maybe it works better for some people. It will definetly take longer oo your own but I think it can be done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Ideally a good coach would be the best option. But all I have been saying all along is that u can learn to Squat & Deadlift on your own provided u do some good research online & find out what works best for you. For instance Rippletoe's advice to have your elbows pushed back is wrong imo. But maybe it works better for some people. It will definetly take longer oo your own but I think it can be done.


    One of the big problems with trying to learn through videos online etc is trying to find good advice especially online.

    It can be a bit like panning for gold in the Grand Canal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,588 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Ideally a good coach would be the best option. But all I have been saying all along is that u can learn to Squat & Deadlift on your own provided u do some good research online & find out what works best for you.
    I taught myself the lifts, so I can't deny its possible. But as I also said, it was a slow process, and I don't think the majority of people would put in the work that I did.

    The learner curve is steepest at the start. IMO the best way is use coaching to get a (head)start, and use kstarr's mobility wods, then more advanced youtube fine tuning once you have the basic stuff down. Video analysis is good at all stages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭jive


    One of the big problems with trying to learn through videos online etc is trying to find good advice especially online.

    It can be a bit like panning for gold in the Grand Canal.

    Same can be said for getting a good coach to be fair. Some of the biggest idiots I know went on to become gym instructors/personal trainers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭shakedown


    jive wrote: »
    Same can be said for getting a good coach to be fair. Some of the biggest idiots I know went on to become gym instructors/personal trainers.

    I agree that getting a good coach is far better than teaching yourself.

    The main reason I taught myself was because there are so many ****e trainers out there, and so many different "right" ways, that I didnt want to put all my trust in one person's advice.

    I would have ended up validating the trainer's advice on the internet anyway, so figured why not just do the research myself.

    I have probably spent 100+ hours reading and watching form videos by now though, and I could still do with some proper coaching.


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